windows vs mac? vs.

lets see, so far we have freebsd, visual studio, gentoo, windows, and mac in the arena. i'm partial to bsd but just don't make me use visual studio.

try code-server

works great with freebsd imo

I think I might be the youngest one in this channel looking at the backlog :/

thanks for making me feel old

lol

(2005 btw!)

I missed the golden age of unix

i was 15 years old when i first came to #freebsd and that was back on freenode. im now 40.

yikes

25 years!!!

nice!!

thx

I can just about remember when freenode went *poof*

it was really great, once upon a time

i was on undernet #freebsd in... 1998 or so?

man

enjoy it!

I dont :(

being poor sucks :p

the rat race ain't much fun either.

Agreed, the rat race is not fun

Working in tech sometimes is a ride on the struggle bus... There are days I am tempted to run off and live in a cabin in the middle of the woods

i'm where daemoneye is.

programming is fun, open source is fun, but the corporate tech industry is a pile of crap

I think near the Hiawatha National Forest would be fun

bsdrobert: spot on.

daemoneye: i would love that

but without working in tech i couldn't afford to do it

Yeah, that is how I feel about the sysadmin world... The administration side is great, helping people and seeing them become happy again is great. Dealing with Corporate tech needs work

rtprio: having been there, the winters can get tough though

i also wish i had a wood stove

Oh, yes! A wood stove is amazing!

All that age talk, I was in the corporate world during the Unix wars and AT&T lawsuit. I predate Net/2 / 386BSD / FreeBSD. I was so excited to download the tarballs using my 14.4Kbps dial-up modem lol

That thing kept downloading all night long ... the good old days

what about dd'ing dozens of floppies

i was blessed to have 4.4-RELEASE sent to me on CD by some american dude on IRC. I max'ed out at 1kb/s.

I remember doing a linux install back in 2010 with a friend on a 1995 laptop... Intial install was over floppy, then we managed to find a payphone at our local community college and was able to apply updates over the payphone connection.

those were the days

Oh yeah. I would love to get back into that kind of thing of getting older hardware running again.

Back when I was doing software development before becoming a sysadmin, my biggest source of enjoyment was in how to make code as small and efficent as possible.

why not devops? best of both worlds

I might, especially if I can be a part of a movement to bring back small and efficent code. With the cost of hardware going up due to AI data centers, I think being able to do more with less is a move that should happen.

daemoneye: you would think that, but corporate cares more about quick turn arounds rather than proper solutions.

That they do and to quote Bender from Futurama: "Dang the expense!"

you need find a non-slop company and thats hard nowadays

It really is. Perhaps a non-profit that does open source stuff.

And those are rare to find.

yup

impossible to avoid forever

there's levels to it. some companies are literally just slop factories nowadays. AI-assisted and slop are not the same for me.

plus people who dont really understand or appreciate the craft are usually the ones pushing the buttons.

tis true

Yeah. I remember working on some open source projects about a decade ago and it is sad to see how much slop there is these days

Alright, I should get some lunch in me.

bon apetit

Thanks!

daemoneye: I'm right there (innawoods living). got my offgrid solar and starlink, especially useful since we're about to have power outages in hungary. also, I've started out with FreeBSD 6.2

brb doing 15.1-RELEASE-p2 update

fuck corporate IT stuff

<tada.wav>

i think i started with 4.8

:/

time for an ibuprofen...

3.3 or 3.4, lol

what were the dinosaurs like?

that 3 -> 4 upgrade was rough

mostly because i didn't read /usr/src/UPDATING

power outages, karolyi ? what's up? public safety power shutoffs?

we're supposed to read UPDATING?

thats like saying we're supposed to read the included instructional pamphlet, pfffft straight to the trash

yep

ah, the Donau's gone dry dailynewshungary.com/historic-heatwave-drought-paks-npp-industry

Reinhilde: yeap

supposedly the power plant will be stopped

kein Atomkraftwerk für Ungarn

karolyi: Ohh, very nice!