good day #freebsd

upgraded up 14.4-RELEASE yesterday but after a day of running, my wifi card seems to be resetting more often than usual

zerotime: what chipset is the wifi card ?

Atheros AR9285

I wouldnt be using freebsd at all on desktop, if i did i would use the latest (15.0)

zerotime: I'm not 100% sure on FreeBSD. But for Linux the Intel AX210 chipset is what I always recommend right now. It is a 100% working well "out of the box" experience

mjp: what is the command to list PCIE devices on FreeBSD? zerotime you should probably boot the 15 USB Stick and see if it detects your wifi there

hi, i know this is not strictly freebsd, but has 'netstat 1' recently changed? on macos I think it was using the freebsd version because it would give counters/stats on network interfaces every second, but now 'netstat 1' lists sockets and their status

its driving me nuts

I'm never on the latest

1 as in 'one' ?

FreeBSD works well for both server and desktop.

are you sure you don't mean '-na' ?

rtprio: as in one, that'd be it'll output bytes or packets/sec etc. every 1 second

so why would it show the the sockets and status if it's showing packets/second?

My issue isn't a detection problem. It is a continuous resetting problem.

rtprio: that's what has changed on macos, i was wondering if it was an import from freebsd; but i think i found the git repo that shows what changed in netstat

Given the era my card is from, I don't see how it would be an option that this box would be assumed to be a desktop.

ahh, even though it was hidden in the manpage and now its all changed, netstat -w 1 restores the functionality of what was once 'netstat 1'

try "systat -ifstat 1"

talking about macos which was using freebsd netstat, but i think now they've significantly butchered it

HELO I need firmware for a wifi card (MediaTek) and I can't get freebsd online to get it.... where do I go to download it to install it with fwget?

i'm not sure it works like that boss

OK, sunshine

How do it werk thenz?

It must come from somewhere....

the firmware is already present, you can't just download arbitrary firmware and make a card just work

Where are the packages kept?

I usually run openbsd

It is the firmware for the card I have

looks like /boot/firmware

the kernel recognises it

the card I mean

I just can't do it automatically because....

I can't get online (catch 22)

like, I also need drm-kmod

which I can survive without for now

I understand this is ina package

in a

Where do I go to find the package?

i might be wrong, someone could correct me, but there's nothing additional to install

oh, it looks like there are some firmwares in /usr/ports/net/*-firmware-*

Well I only installed the usb image, which is abut 1.5GB

hopefully you have a 2002 usb nic to download it with

ok

thanks for that

i didn't wire the firmware, no need to be snarky

A man once told me, "You're too smart for your own good"

I didn't agree at the time

...

But now I know what he was saying

if that were true perhaps you'd buy a supported card

he he

It *IS* supported

I just can't install the firmware becasue I haven't got the card online... becasue I need it's firmware, which exists in the packages, but I don't have all those

perhaps I'll try downloading the whole dvd, but I'm not sure

seems a bit of excess

i suspect that will not help you

does it not have the package collection?

i don't think it has all of them

o

k....

hanks anyway

thanks

Hi I have a question about ports, I have a repository which is from sr.ht but it has submodules how do I add the submodules in that case? Ive only found example where Github was being used

Any idea? :)

hi, I have a problem with my combination of pkg/ports

I install/upgrade everything using pkg except for two packages which have custom options

is it possible to disable installing those two packages via pkg, either by pinning them on the options or by telling pkg to ignore them?

by pinning I mean that pkg already tells me "reinstalling ... (options changed)", but could it just tell me without upgrading those packages?

ente: You can lock pkgs; man pkg-lock

thanks

doesn't seem to be 100% what I wan (since I do want to upgrade this package from ports, which would mean pkg unlock, make reinstall, pkg lock I guess?)

but I'll roll with that for now

Correct, there's no nuance. Locked is locked.

you could also switching to build your own pkg repo with poudriere with fetching but as there is currently no way to know from which ports commit the upstream repo was build you could reuild stuff because your tree is newer instead of just because you changed options

yeah I might look into poudriere in the future, but it seems like overkill to me

Can I use any git repo when porting a programm and not just github/lab? Because I need to initialize its submodules

I don't think the ports framework has support for fetching with git; for some git hosts there is support for fetching the autogenerated tarball to a commit/tag, but those usually don't have stability gurantees, so you should try to get official release tarballs which have stability gurantees from upstream

sr.ht doesnt seem to fetch the submodules when downloading a release tarball :/

So I'm a bit unsure on how to do that

are you sure it is a release tarball and not just another autogenerated tarball for a tag? but maybe upstream didn't include the submodules because they are dependencies and should be installed seperately normaly and are just included as submodules for convinience when working on the repo directly as you have no idea how old the dependencies in the package manager of the developers are

Im pretty sure its an automated tarball and so far couldnt find any other release tarball since its a smaller project

I just noticed they also have that project on github but its not properly mirrored

well, the helpers that are provided for github/lab just set DISTFILES, not sure if there is a similar helper for sr.ht but you can set it manually too

nimaje: Oh the GH/GL helpers dont just clone the repo but also download an automated release?

they download some autogenerated tarball (well, set DISTFILES in a way that those get downloaded via fetch )

But instead I could just manually specify the submodules in DISTFILES so that the build system will download them manually and extract them inside the repo? As I have seen that in the examples in the docs with GH

Ok seems like that worked, can I specify a different build target for make? Because the spelling is slightly off

set ALL_TARGET

anyone here use anki package? i dont get any sound, and i dont see anki showing up in pavucontrol either

Was looking at release notes for 15.0 after installing, and noticed the "pkgbase" option, which is neat, but not seeing anything in the Handbook about it.

Is there any kind of official docs on this that sort of explains what's going on there and how it works and what the various foot-shooting risks are?

"The base system is installed as a set of packages from the "FreeBSD-base" repository. Systems installed this way are managed entirely using the pkg(8) tool. This method is used by default for all VM images and images published in public clouds."

I feel like I could use a few more paragraphs.

spork_css: pkgbase has a manpage. There is also a wiki page about it that helps explain quite a few things: wiki.freebsd.org/pkgbase

ek: yeah, aware of both of those. the wiki page seems quite dated and the manpage is best suited for someone already deep into it.

I'm trying to find more guidance as far as when to move to it, how you're supposed to use it alongside normal pkgs, best practices, etc.

spork_css: Well, as of 15.0, you're already set up for it. See /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*.conf

You can specify whether or not to update base packages by specifying the repo to use via update/upgrade.

pkg up{date,grade} -r FreeBSD-{base,ports}

It's pretty much as simple as that. Obviously, a standard "pkg update/upgrade" will upgrade everything.

I wish I had more detailed documentation to point you to, but I do not. :(

spork_css: best practices: don't run pkg delete -a anymore

I did see that mailing list thread...

No more boot after that I take it?

heston76: yes, things like /bin/sh and the kernel are in packages so they would be gone

rtprio: That's very true. Good point. Make sure to keep any "^FreeBSD\*" packages.

spork_css: Just a quick note, the FreeBSD Handbook accepts all kinds of contributions. As you learn more about pkgbase, perhaps keep notes of what you found important and informative and submit it to be included in a pkgbase Handbook page for others in your same situation in the future. :)

I did my time/penance on -questions in the late 90's early 00's but I definitely never learned most of the doc tools the project uses.