04:20:44 good day #freebsd 04:23:14 upgraded up 14.4-RELEASE yesterday but after a day of running, my wifi card seems to be resetting more often than usual 04:25:14 zerotime: what chipset is the wifi card ? 04:26:00 Atheros AR9285 05:24:40 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.4R/relnotes/#wireless-networking 05:25:36 I wouldnt be using freebsd at all on desktop, if i did i would use the latest (15.0) 05:45:49 zerotime: I'm not 100% sure on FreeBSD. But for Linux the Intel AX210 chipset is what I always recommend right now. It is a 100% working well "out of the box" experience 05:46:55 mjp: what is the command to list PCIE devices on FreeBSD? zerotime you should probably boot the 15 USB Stick and see if it detects your wifi there 05:47:29 hi, i know this is not strictly freebsd, but has 'netstat 1' recently changed? on macos I think it was using the freebsd version because it would give counters/stats on network interfaces every second, but now 'netstat 1' lists sockets and their status 05:47:40 its driving me nuts 05:48:50 I'm never on the latest 05:49:04 1 as in 'one' ? 05:49:16 FreeBSD works well for both server and desktop. 05:49:19 are you sure you don't mean '-na' ? 05:49:55 rtprio: as in one, that'd be it'll output bytes or packets/sec etc. every 1 second 05:50:39 so why would it show the the sockets and status if it's showing packets/second? 05:50:42 My issue isn't a detection problem. It is a continuous resetting problem. 05:51:30 rtprio: that's what has changed on macos, i was wondering if it was an import from freebsd; but i think i found the git repo that shows what changed in netstat 05:59:43 Given the era my card is from, I don't see how it would be an option that this box would be assumed to be a desktop. 06:04:01 ahh, even though it was hidden in the manpage and now its all changed, netstat -w 1 restores the functionality of what was once 'netstat 1' 06:08:59 try "systat -ifstat 1" 06:13:28 talking about macos which was using freebsd netstat, but i think now they've significantly butchered it 06:24:30 HELO I need firmware for a wifi card (MediaTek) and I can't get freebsd online to get it.... where do I go to download it to install it with fwget? 06:27:57 i'm not sure it works like that boss 06:28:11 OK, sunshine 06:28:25 How do it werk thenz? 06:28:46 It must come from somewhere.... 06:29:01 the firmware is already present, you can't just download arbitrary firmware and make a card just work 06:29:01 Where are the packages kept? 06:29:28 I usually run openbsd 06:29:36 It is the firmware for the card I have 06:29:39 looks like /boot/firmware 06:29:42 the kernel recognises it 06:29:59 the card I mean 06:30:16 I just can't do it automatically because.... 06:30:36 I can't get online (catch 22) 06:32:11 like, I also need drm-kmod 06:32:25 which I can survive without for now 06:32:32 I understand this is ina package 06:32:35 in a 06:32:47 Where do I go to find the package? 06:33:18 i might be wrong, someone could correct me, but there's nothing additional to install 06:33:34 oh, it looks like there are some firmwares in /usr/ports/net/*-firmware-* 06:33:49 Well I only installed the usb image, which is abut 1.5GB 06:33:56 hopefully you have a 2002 usb nic to download it with 06:34:05 ok 06:34:09 thanks for that 06:34:21 i didn't wire the firmware, no need to be snarky 06:36:34 A man once told me, "You're too smart for your own good" 06:36:41 I didn't agree at the time 06:36:43 ... 06:36:53 But now I know what he was saying 06:36:59 if that were true perhaps you'd buy a supported card 06:36:59 he he 06:37:09 It *IS* supported 06:37:47 I just can't install the firmware becasue I haven't got the card online... becasue I need it's firmware, which exists in the packages, but I don't have all those 06:39:19 perhaps I'll try downloading the whole dvd, but I'm not sure 06:39:40 seems a bit of excess 06:39:52 i suspect that will not help you 06:40:08 does it not have the package collection? 06:40:20 i don't think it has all of them 06:40:24 o 06:40:27 k.... 06:44:03 hanks anyway 06:44:06 thanks 08:27:41 Hi I have a question about ports, I have a repository which is from sr.ht but it has submodules how do I add the submodules in that case? Ive only found example where Github was being used 09:00:38 Any idea? :) 09:32:29 hi, I have a problem with my combination of pkg/ports 09:32:55 I install/upgrade everything using pkg except for two packages which have custom options 09:33:22 is it possible to disable installing those two packages via pkg, either by pinning them on the options or by telling pkg to ignore them? 09:34:14 by pinning I mean that pkg already tells me "reinstalling ... (options changed)", but could it just tell me without upgrading those packages? 10:07:08 ente: You can lock pkgs; man pkg-lock 10:10:53 thanks 10:12:13 doesn't seem to be 100% what I wan (since I do want to upgrade this package from ports, which would mean pkg unlock, make reinstall, pkg lock I guess?) 10:12:20 but I'll roll with that for now 10:12:25 Correct, there's no nuance. Locked is locked. 10:15:39 you could also switching to build your own pkg repo with poudriere with fetching but as there is currently no way to know from which ports commit the upstream repo was build you could reuild stuff because your tree is newer instead of just because you changed options 10:19:18 yeah I might look into poudriere in the future, but it seems like overkill to me 11:37:55 Can I use any git repo when porting a programm and not just github/lab? Because I need to initialize its submodules 11:41:14 I don't think the ports framework has support for fetching with git; for some git hosts there is support for fetching the autogenerated tarball to a commit/tag, but those usually don't have stability gurantees, so you should try to get official release tarballs which have stability gurantees from upstream 11:45:05 sr.ht doesnt seem to fetch the submodules when downloading a release tarball :/ 11:45:13 So I'm a bit unsure on how to do that 11:48:24 are you sure it is a release tarball and not just another autogenerated tarball for a tag? but maybe upstream didn't include the submodules because they are dependencies and should be installed seperately normaly and are just included as submodules for convinience when working on the repo directly as you have no idea how old the dependencies in the package manager of the developers are 11:52:07 Im pretty sure its an automated tarball and so far couldnt find any other release tarball since its a smaller project 11:53:23 I just noticed they also have that project on github but its not properly mirrored 11:57:06 well, the helpers that are provided for github/lab just set DISTFILES, not sure if there is a similar helper for sr.ht but you can set it manually too 12:24:08 nimaje: Oh the GH/GL helpers dont just clone the repo but also download an automated release? 12:27:14 they download some autogenerated tarball (well, set DISTFILES in a way that those get downloaded via fetch ) 12:31:00 But instead I could just manually specify the submodules in DISTFILES so that the build system will download them manually and extract them inside the repo? As I have seen that in the examples in the docs with GH 15:05:15 Ok seems like that worked, can I specify a different build target for make? Because the spelling is slightly off 15:34:43 set ALL_TARGET 16:05:43 anyone here use anki package? i dont get any sound, and i dont see anki showing up in pavucontrol either 17:16:19 Was looking at release notes for 15.0 after installing, and noticed the "pkgbase" option, which is neat, but not seeing anything in the Handbook about it. 17:16:52 Is there any kind of official docs on this that sort of explains what's going on there and how it works and what the various foot-shooting risks are? 17:17:58 "The base system is installed as a set of packages from the "FreeBSD-base" repository. Systems installed this way are managed entirely using the pkg(8) tool. This method is used by default for all VM images and images published in public clouds." 17:18:05 I feel like I could use a few more paragraphs. 18:06:41 spork_css: pkgbase has a manpage. There is also a wiki page about it that helps explain quite a few things: https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgbase 22:02:40 ek: yeah, aware of both of those. the wiki page seems quite dated and the manpage is best suited for someone already deep into it. 22:03:31 I'm trying to find more guidance as far as when to move to it, how you're supposed to use it alongside normal pkgs, best practices, etc. 22:10:35 spork_css: Well, as of 15.0, you're already set up for it. See /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*.conf 22:11:06 You can specify whether or not to update base packages by specifying the repo to use via update/upgrade. 22:12:07 pkg up{date,grade} -r FreeBSD-{base,ports} 22:12:33 It's pretty much as simple as that. Obviously, a standard "pkg update/upgrade" will upgrade everything. 22:13:14 I wish I had more detailed documentation to point you to, but I do not. :( 22:23:11 spork_css: best practices: don't run pkg delete -a anymore 22:23:28 I did see that mailing list thread... 22:34:04 No more boot after that I take it? 22:36:50 heston76: yes, things like /bin/sh and the kernel are in packages so they would be gone 22:39:01 rtprio: That's very true. Good point. Make sure to keep any "^FreeBSD\*" packages. 22:55:15 spork_css: Just a quick note, the FreeBSD Handbook accepts all kinds of contributions. As you learn more about pkgbase, perhaps keep notes of what you found important and informative and submit it to be included in a pkgbase Handbook page for others in your same situation in the future. :) 23:06:46 I did my time/penance on -questions in the late 90's early 00's but I definitely never learned most of the doc tools the project uses.