Again, it doesn't really matter in the long run. The port will still pull and install the same data no matter what the compression chosen.

Either way, thanks for contributing!

mjp: that would be "mode 11a" under ifconfig_wlan0, I guess either before or after "WPA DHCP"?

locking to specific channels in wpa_supplicant.conf seems like it'll cause problems down the road, or at least will require upkeep. the router's channel selection is set to auto, and I probably want to leave it that way assuming it looks to find the least congested band

try it and see

ek... so TAG? i'd rather do RELEASE.

the question is in freebsd i assume release is preferred no?

gman999: Well, that's kind of entirely up to the maintainer of the port. You can specify a tag or commit to lock it down to a specific push or you can specify a release (which could possibly change but likely, it will not.)

I tend to stick to releases since they are, for the better part of most dev's intent, to be non-devel and ready for consumption.

"Public-ready"

yes.. that's my point.

lm stare at the bsd.port.mk file for a bit

IMO, you should just go ahead and use the release version and not worry about the compression level/choice. A bunzip is fine. Who cares what it pulls?

Er... bzip.

Doesn't matter what the compression is. It's the same exact data either way. Keep the port simple and don't waste your time with nuances. :)

mjp: the mode 11a thing I'm kinda worried might break things if I end up having to connect to a 2.4GHz-only network, unless ifconfig will take the mode as a mere preference

for whatever it's worth, google's AI is suggesting adding the bssid of my router's 5GHz radio to my wpa_supplicant network block

the bssid solution will presumably mess up connecting to the other AP we've got here but considering it's connected to the main AP wirelessly and is about as far away as my laptop ever will be, I guess it's a worthwhile sacrifice

time to try it out

wpa_supplicant operates with multiple SSIDs specified in the config file just fine. No problem.

the other AP has the same SSID. I'm not sure that I can specify multiple BSSIDs for the same network

in practice, connecting to just this AP is probably fine

So... You have multiple APs with the same SSID? If so then they should be set up with what Cisco calls a "roaming" configuration. But from what I read I interpret that is not the case? Then isn't that going to be a problem?

basically all I know is that devices will connect to whichever AP gives the strongest signal, but by specifying a BSSID in wpa_supplicant.conf, I'm overriding that

what I'm gathering is that now it's never going to connect to the AP on the other side of the apartment, because that one doesn't have a matching BSSID on any of its radios

Adding an additional section to the wpa_supplicant.conf file with the additional ssid will allow wpa_supplicant to connect to either one.

Regarding Roaming: Same SSID, shared IP address subnet with shared DHCP assignment so that IP addresses don't need to change when switching from one AP to the other AP with the same SSID name. I am sure I am missing some detail or another but that's the general idea. Strange I don't find a Wikipedia article on it.

so I can have two network blocks in wpa_supplicant with the same SSID?

i don't see why not

wonder then if it's possible to just specify bssid twice in the one network block, or if it'll ignore the extraneous one

Are you saying you have two APs with the same SSID but they have different passphrases? Otherwise I don't know why there would need to be multiple sections.

The current man page says something different but in an older version it was more descriptive: Configuration file can include one or more network blocks, e.g., one for each used SSID. wpa_supplicant will automatically select the best network based on the order of network blocks in the configuration file, network security level (WPA/WPA2 is preferred), and signal strength.

 

The current man page says something much more vague about how it works.

they have the same SSID and PSK. I dunno if you're following

I have never thought about having multiple sections with the same ssid declared. Please let us know how it works for you in practice.

there are 4 BSSIDs under the same SSID with the same PSK

two APs, each with a 2.4GHz and 5GHz band

If they have the same BSSID and PSK then wouldn't they all be covered by one config section?

they all have a different BSSID

in my wpa_supplicant.conf I specified the BSSID of the 5GHz radio on the main AP

Right. They must have different MAC addresses. Wait... You are putting the MAC in the wpa_supplicant.conf file? I have never thought of doing that before.

that's exactly what I did, yes

to prevent it from connecting to the 2.4GHz band (which is a different MAC/BSSID

I will back away as you are using wpa_supplicant differently than I have ever thought about using it and so my experience with it does not apply. And I need to run an errand anyway.

it'd be nice to allow it to choose between the two APs without allowing it to connect to 2.4GHz though, considering 11ac isn't working on 2.4GHz. friend says I should test this out on a Linux live system to check whether it's actually a FreeBSD-specific issue

but I think it's fair to assume that it is, considering how new 11ac support is here

I guess it's important to test that out though if I end up filing a bug report. since it's happening on iwx as well though I guess it's not an iwlwifi bug, but a net80211 bug

hey folks, I'm trying to implement a Continuous Delivery pipeline from GitHub Actions to CBSD jails. I used to have a setup with `supervisor`, but it's proven more and more unreliable over time. Is there a solution out there that could replace it? I really just want to kill a process and restart it from my workflow. :)

daemon --restart ?

nimaje: I can use raw daemon(8) indeed! Thanks a lot.

what happened to the Ryzen 5900XT? apparently it launched in 2024, and now no one has it for sale

something something AI

AI is causing a shortage of consumer desktop CPUs?

ivy: why? is ML not supposed to be run on specialty chips or FPGAs?

AI is causing a shortage for everything.

it's not accurate to use that acronym to refer to that specific thing

i'd call it "ML-derived Application"

and the a-word does not exist yet

it's AI per the long-established definition of AI, as are many other commonplace things

it's still not really AGI despite the hype

but do mind the difference

we might have agi soon but most folks won't be able to afford a computer by that point

when AGI comes out, we'd not be aware.

we're not gonna have AGI soon

or, at the very least: we're not going to get there by just scaling bigger

*won't natter how well our AI works because most folks won't be able to afford a computer by that point

come on just one more datacenter bro

that's the problem. it always runs one step faster ahead of us. like Judgement Day in T3

it'd exceed our human awareness. so it's aware of us while we are not aware of "it"

Tykling: hey if I promise to pay you a lot of money to use my datacenter that I haven't built yet will you agree to build the datacenter for me

Tykling: also what's a datacenter

hodapp: I like the cut of your jib you've got a deal

rtprio: why most folks won't be able to afford a computer by then?

scottpedia: nothing about AGI implies it's always going to be one step ahead of us

it could very easily be perpetually a little bit dumber than us, and think 10 times slower, but still exhibit some notion of generalized intelligence

Tykling: alright cool we just grew the market by like $500M or something idk how numbers work

well I think it's an "awareness game" we are playing. there was this fable that goes like in the old south a bunch of slaves work in a plantation, and they think they are under the control of their masters, because they'd get punished if not working. but the truth is if the slaves stop working the master will be starved to death, so sort of a symbiosis relationship actually. but the slaves still

THINK they are not in control not because of any actual circumstances but rather because they are not AS AWARE.

scottpedia: have you priced ram or disks lately?

that could be applied to the relationship between humans and machines. who's on top depends on AWARENESS not performance or anything else

rtprio: nope. heard about some spikes in RAM prices.

scottpedia: right now our models are nowhere even remotely close to this

hodapp: yes. but my point is, by the time AGI emerges, we'd not be AWARE of such happening.

scottpedia: there's nothing about AGI that automatically implies that

it's just a tautological "if we're not aware of it, then we're not aware of it"

yes. that's just a hypothesis by now. but AWARENESS is a tricking game as in the slavery example I mentioned

hodapp: yeah sort of like that "you don't know what you don't know" kind of things

tricky*

anyways gotta go laterz

Hecate: I've implemented something similar with hierarchical jails and orchestration using Saltstack

and ZFS of course

hello, I'm downloading freebsd iso right now. Are amd gpu drivers in the kernel like on linux mesa driver?

they are not in the kernel, as i recall, but they are kernel modules

downloaded from using packages

yes its distributed within the port tree

I am on linux at the moment so... sorry for comparing the two systems I know they are different, I am hyped to try freeBSD :)

so something like mesa vulkan I have to install manually

mirens: wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Hardware_Support

mirens: freshports.org/graphics/mesa-devel

only one thing is bothering me to totally switch... my wife plays one simple game on steam, some match 3 small game and if I can get that to work on freebsd I hope to make the switch for good!

:D

thank you for the links I will take a look

not sure id say "have to install manually" per se: pkg install mesa-devel

having the package exist does the majority of the work for you

great news! thank you for the responses I will make the bootable usb now and install it on the linux. I hope it is not more difficult to install than arch :)

It's very easy to install, actually.

Also I am so glad people use irc still.

oh one more thing... there is some happenings in X and Xlibre... shoud I go with Xlibre?

Either is fine, but Xlibre seems like it will be running the show in the future (along with Wayland?)

I am used to KDE but I can see some bad moves toward freeBSD, should I use xfce or mate or it will be fine using kde on the long run

Also, I haven't tried Steam gaming on FreeBSD (or anything else, honestly) but I've heard good things about it.

can they coexist on one system, wayland and X together?

great news ek

mirens: Yes. They can co-exist.

xlibre has some interesting (not in a good way) code as well as a project founder with some controversial views, if that means anything to you

yes that is what I heard about Xlibre

but than again if something that I need works only on Xlibre what to do...

good day #freebsd

does anyone know when upgrades for 13.x and 14.x stop working after eol?

mirens: unlikely that anything that only works on xlibre wouldn't also work on xorg OR xwayland for that matter

zerotime: EOL is the date that updates/upgrades are no longer provided.

thanks for clarification rtprio

thanks ek - do you know if there will be a mirror archive for packages?

mirens: Also, KDE Plasma runs perfectly fine on FreeBSD. In fact, it's many people's go-to.

KDE it is than!

zerotime: FreeBSD won't have official archives for EOL'd packages (it hasn't in the past, anyway.) However, archive.org will. I'd be very careful about trusting packages from random sources, though.

i prefer i3 or sway, but to each their own

I kinda like fluxbox. :/

I really don't mind many of the DE's or WM's that are out there. Though, I've never had much luck with Gnome3. It just doesn't "click" for me.

one thing I like about kde... I can set Screen brightnes with the slider near clock on the taskbar. I know it sounds stupid but I really nead that :D

Hello

also sorry for my bad english

mosaid: Hello

mirens: You're English is fine.

searching for old pkgs for FreeBSD? I can help :)

I suppose this is quite old but it was performed in the past - ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD…eases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/All

mirens: With KDE's screen brightness icon in the status bar, you can also use scrolling while hovering to adjust the brightness which is kind of handy.

I have many good sources here for 9/10/11/12

all pkgs

any for 13 & 14?

why?

wow ek I didnt know that!!!

still supported

now I love it even more :D

mosaid: I think zerotime is looking for access to pkgs in the future once they're EOL'd.

If there are plans for 13? Great!

right on the nail ek

Surly some mirrors will appear somewhere

Definitely. They always pop up. Just gotta hunt them down.

*surely

thanks for the insights all

well... image is "burned" to usb... time to read install DOC's and install freeBSD, wish me luck! Hope to hang around on this irc channel... you don't know how much I missed irc!

mirens: Have fun! I don't think you'll need any luck, though. :)

Dont let AI bots in irc please :D I like human interaction like this! You were all very helpfull thanks and see you soon on freeBSD! Ciao!

ftp.neonet.bc.ca/freebsd-pkg (Some pkgs not in above one)

pkg.opnsense.org (Oh, 13/14/15 is there!)

bayofrum.net/pkg (Not alot)

mirrors.xtom.com/freebsd-pkg (Dead :( )

as I remember I have more links but can't find them

also, try get old ports from svn

why are we trying to install old ports?

me?

yes you

Some good stuff gone long ago

so I get them back heh :)

Like I am using Rox, rox-clib removed; cuz python2.7 Eold.. and I need it to build rox-all apps

many apps really important, like video thumps.. the app factory (which creates wrappers for non-rox applications).. mime editor app (for setting this thing up)

Pager.. Ireally need this thing

I also modified the code, and build it with latest python3.11 +python2.7

mosaid: Why not update the port and re-introduce it to the ports tree to make it current again?

python2.7 eol

and the devs here will not this

I also build many old apps with new stuff like gtkdialog.. but as I said

mosaid: Ah. Is upstream no longer maintaining for py3.N?

no still supported

I talk about py2.7

those apps need the both

mosaid: Huh. That's... interesting? Not sure what to say about that.

Sorry if this is a newbie question, but the last time I used FreeBSD was in 1995. I've started using FreeBSD 15 and it seems like there are very few packages with the package manager. I keep having to compile apps, am I missing something? Are there more apps in the repository for 14 or am I missing some repositories.

there are roughly 36,000 packages in the official repos DarkMattr.

I am surprised regularly at how much is in there

maybe more helpful, what are you not finding? DarkMattr

I couldn't get vscode or vice installed

unlikely proprietary software will be in the repos

Google's AI lied to me, it said it was fully supported in 15, lol

Just type pkg install vscode

can't believe that AI would generate something that sounds plausible but is wrong

It actually said 'sudo pkg install vscode' lol

most llms are trained on linux and just assume freebsd is a new distribution of linux

vice is opensource, I'm probably going to have to compile it. At least I dont' have to compile llvm, that took forever on my linux computers

I'm happy to see FreeBSDs native compiler is clang

Illini alum here

deimosBSD: I don't think that's exactly true; it runs a bit deeper than that

they aren't advanced enough to 'assume' anything, but they'll gladly hallucinate when it pertains to Linux too

DarkMattr: welcome back to freebsd

hodapp: true

I wish I could get vscode, that's the only downside I see with FreeBSD so far, having to use neovim

fancy autocomplete or stochastic pigeons

lol

i've found "kate" from kde does 99% of what i need in an interface

DarkMattr: i use vscode on freebsd no problem

not sure what you're talking about

What version of FreeBSD?

It looks like it's only out for 14, I can't get it installed on 15

I'll check out kate

DarkMattr: i'm on 15

How did you install it. The main thing I want from vscode is attaching to containers on remote machines

IIRC `pkg install vscode`

is there a 3rd party repository I need to add?

I did that, is said package not found

it said

No packages available

freshports.org/editors/vscode no current build for 15 right now, it seems. prob a dependency issue that'll get sorted at some point

kate does look like a 99% solution, it does ssh and docker containers

thanks for all the advice, I'll keep giving freebsd a go

I'm sure with the user base, it will eventually get caught up

So, there's a version of vscode available for 14 and 16, but not 15. Are the even numbered releases like the Linux lts releases?

no

The port does build in 15, running vscode-1.109.0 here currently.

heston76: I'm cloning the source now, did you have any issues with dependencies?

the source is almost 2gb, this is going to take a while

DarkMattr: I think heston76 is talking about the FBSD port of vscode (editors/vscode).

You can, for ease of build until the package is ready, install ports (git clone --depth=1 git.freebsd.org/ports.git /usr/ports) and then install using the editors/vscode port to pull in all dependencies (make -C /usr/ports/editors/vscode all install clean)

This is kind of a lot compared to simple package installs. But, if you're needing it now and can't wait for the packages (I'd guess a couple days if there are no build issues?) then this will suffice until the package is available.

Yeah, I was refering to the the editors/vscode port. Apologies, I am still new to this irc and not sure how to tag / reply.

heston76: You've nailed it. There is no tagging or replying in IRC. You just type something.

eekay: there is tagging

Wait. There is? I guess it might depend on client?

Oh, wait. Are you talking about nick tagging (like @, :, or,?) or something? Maybe my thought of tagging is different.

heston76 Welcome to IRC. Since you're here, when you get a chance, perhaps look into getting an IRC bouncer.

well, it depends on the client to notify you if it matches your nickname, yeah

rtprio: Okay. That kind of tagging. Yes, there has (almost always) been that.

But, it isn't like tagging a message for reference or anything in things like Discord or Matrix or something.

Not sure which tagging heston76 is expecting.