00:00:03 Again, it doesn't really matter in the long run. The port will still pull and install the same data no matter what the compression chosen. 00:01:30 Either way, thanks for contributing! 00:05:00 mjp: that would be "mode 11a" under ifconfig_wlan0, I guess either before or after "WPA DHCP"? 00:06:49 locking to specific channels in wpa_supplicant.conf seems like it'll cause problems down the road, or at least will require upkeep. the router's channel selection is set to auto, and I probably want to leave it that way assuming it looks to find the least congested band 00:09:11 try it and see 00:09:17 ek... so TAG? i'd rather do RELEASE. 00:09:30 the question is in freebsd i assume release is preferred no? 00:10:53 gman999: Well, that's kind of entirely up to the maintainer of the port. You can specify a tag or commit to lock it down to a specific push or you can specify a release (which could possibly change but likely, it will not.) 00:11:40 I tend to stick to releases since they are, for the better part of most dev's intent, to be non-devel and ready for consumption. 00:11:59 "Public-ready" 00:12:21 yes.. that's my point. 00:12:34 lm stare at the bsd.port.mk file for a bit 00:12:55 IMO, you should just go ahead and use the release version and not worry about the compression level/choice. A bunzip is fine. Who cares what it pulls? 00:13:17 Er... bzip. 00:13:48 Doesn't matter what the compression is. It's the same exact data either way. Keep the port simple and don't waste your time with nuances. :) 01:36:50 mjp: the mode 11a thing I'm kinda worried might break things if I end up having to connect to a 2.4GHz-only network, unless ifconfig will take the mode as a mere preference 01:37:18 for whatever it's worth, google's AI is suggesting adding the bssid of my router's 5GHz radio to my wpa_supplicant network block 01:45:39 the bssid solution will presumably mess up connecting to the other AP we've got here but considering it's connected to the main AP wirelessly and is about as far away as my laptop ever will be, I guess it's a worthwhile sacrifice 01:47:05 time to try it out 02:07:10 wpa_supplicant operates with multiple SSIDs specified in the config file just fine. No problem. 02:15:35 the other AP has the same SSID. I'm not sure that I can specify multiple BSSIDs for the same network 02:16:10 in practice, connecting to just this AP is probably fine 02:19:03 So... You have multiple APs with the same SSID? If so then they should be set up with what Cisco calls a "roaming" configuration. But from what I read I interpret that is not the case? Then isn't that going to be a problem? 02:27:04 basically all I know is that devices will connect to whichever AP gives the strongest signal, but by specifying a BSSID in wpa_supplicant.conf, I'm overriding that 02:29:01 what I'm gathering is that now it's never going to connect to the AP on the other side of the apartment, because that one doesn't have a matching BSSID on any of its radios 02:51:16 Adding an additional section to the wpa_supplicant.conf file with the additional ssid will allow wpa_supplicant to connect to either one. 02:54:51 Regarding Roaming: Same SSID, shared IP address subnet with shared DHCP assignment so that IP addresses don't need to change when switching from one AP to the other AP with the same SSID name. I am sure I am missing some detail or another but that's the general idea. Strange I don't find a Wikipedia article on it. 03:03:43 so I can have two network blocks in wpa_supplicant with the same SSID? 03:04:40 i don't see why not 03:11:30 wonder then if it's possible to just specify bssid twice in the one network block, or if it'll ignore the extraneous one 03:12:20 Are you saying you have two APs with the same SSID but they have different passphrases? Otherwise I don't know why there would need to be multiple sections. 03:13:44 The current man page says something different but in an older version it was more descriptive: Configuration file can include one or more network blocks, e.g., one for each used SSID. wpa_supplicant will automatically select the best network based on the order of network blocks in the configuration file, network security level (WPA/WPA2 is preferred), and signal strength. 03:13:52 03:14:38 The current man page says something much more vague about how it works. 03:15:02 they have the same SSID and PSK. I dunno if you're following 03:15:09 I have never thought about having multiple sections with the same ssid declared. Please let us know how it works for you in practice. 03:15:15 there are 4 BSSIDs under the same SSID with the same PSK 03:15:36 two APs, each with a 2.4GHz and 5GHz band 03:15:47 If they have the same BSSID and PSK then wouldn't they all be covered by one config section? 03:16:16 they all have a different BSSID 03:16:52 in my wpa_supplicant.conf I specified the BSSID of the 5GHz radio on the main AP 03:17:27 Right. They must have different MAC addresses. Wait... You are putting the MAC in the wpa_supplicant.conf file? I have never thought of doing that before. 03:17:49 that's exactly what I did, yes 03:18:15 to prevent it from connecting to the 2.4GHz band (which is a different MAC/BSSID 03:19:31 I will back away as you are using wpa_supplicant differently than I have ever thought about using it and so my experience with it does not apply. And I need to run an errand anyway. 03:20:42 it'd be nice to allow it to choose between the two APs without allowing it to connect to 2.4GHz though, considering 11ac isn't working on 2.4GHz. friend says I should test this out on a Linux live system to check whether it's actually a FreeBSD-specific issue 03:21:02 but I think it's fair to assume that it is, considering how new 11ac support is here 03:22:54 I guess it's important to test that out though if I end up filing a bug report. since it's happening on iwx as well though I guess it's not an iwlwifi bug, but a net80211 bug 11:05:31 hey folks, I'm trying to implement a Continuous Delivery pipeline from GitHub Actions to CBSD jails. I used to have a setup with `supervisor`, but it's proven more and more unreliable over time. Is there a solution out there that could replace it? I really just want to kill a process and restart it from my workflow. :) 11:08:33 daemon --restart ? 11:13:26 nimaje: I can use raw daemon(8) indeed! Thanks a lot. 13:11:08 what happened to the Ryzen 5900XT? apparently it launched in 2024, and now no one has it for sale 13:26:48 something something AI 13:38:36 AI is causing a shortage of consumer desktop CPUs? 13:39:10 ivy: why? is ML not supposed to be run on specialty chips or FPGAs? 13:39:44 AI is causing a shortage for everything. 13:42:48 it's not accurate to use that acronym to refer to that specific thing 13:43:11 i'd call it "ML-derived Application" 13:43:24 and the a-word does not exist yet 13:47:27 it's AI per the long-established definition of AI, as are many other commonplace things 13:47:52 it's still not really AGI despite the hype 13:47:57 but do mind the difference 13:49:26 we might have agi soon but most folks won't be able to afford a computer by that point 13:49:45 when AGI comes out, we'd not be aware. 13:49:52 we're not gonna have AGI soon 13:50:16 or, at the very least: we're not going to get there by just scaling bigger 13:50:45 *won't natter how well our AI works because most folks won't be able to afford a computer by that point 13:50:52 come on just one more datacenter bro 13:50:58 that's the problem. it always runs one step faster ahead of us. like Judgement Day in T3 13:51:40 it'd exceed our human awareness. so it's aware of us while we are not aware of "it" 13:51:41 Tykling: hey if I promise to pay you a lot of money to use my datacenter that I haven't built yet will you agree to build the datacenter for me 13:52:19 Tykling: also what's a datacenter 13:52:36 hodapp: I like the cut of your jib you've got a deal 13:52:44 rtprio: why most folks won't be able to afford a computer by then? 13:53:11 scottpedia: nothing about AGI implies it's always going to be one step ahead of us 13:53:55 it could very easily be perpetually a little bit dumber than us, and think 10 times slower, but still exhibit some notion of generalized intelligence 13:54:39 Tykling: alright cool we just grew the market by like $500M or something idk how numbers work 13:57:26 well I think it's an "awareness game" we are playing. there was this fable that goes like in the old south a bunch of slaves work in a plantation, and they think they are under the control of their masters, because they'd get punished if not working. but the truth is if the slaves stop working the master will be starved to death, so sort of a symbiosis relationship actually. but the slaves still 13:57:27 THINK they are not in control not because of any actual circumstances but rather because they are not AS AWARE. 13:57:50 scottpedia: have you priced ram or disks lately? 13:58:59 that could be applied to the relationship between humans and machines. who's on top depends on AWARENESS not performance or anything else 13:59:17 rtprio: nope. heard about some spikes in RAM prices. 13:59:22 scottpedia: right now our models are nowhere even remotely close to this 14:00:02 hodapp: yes. but my point is, by the time AGI emerges, we'd not be AWARE of such happening. 14:00:34 scottpedia: there's nothing about AGI that automatically implies that 14:01:07 it's just a tautological "if we're not aware of it, then we're not aware of it" 14:01:51 yes. that's just a hypothesis by now. but AWARENESS is a tricking game as in the slavery example I mentioned 14:02:20 hodapp: yeah sort of like that "you don't know what you don't know" kind of things 14:02:33 tricky* 14:04:09 anyways gotta go laterz 14:06:13 Hecate: I've implemented something similar with hierarchical jails and orchestration using Saltstack 14:06:39 and ZFS of course 19:13:04 hello, I'm downloading freebsd iso right now. Are amd gpu drivers in the kernel like on linux mesa driver? 19:16:30 they are not in the kernel, as i recall, but they are kernel modules 19:16:40 downloaded from using packages 19:17:18 yes its distributed within the port tree 19:19:44 I am on linux at the moment so... sorry for comparing the two systems I know they are different, I am hyped to try freeBSD :) 19:20:22 so something like mesa vulkan I have to install manually 19:22:05 mirens: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Hardware_Support 19:22:06 mirens: https://www.freshports.org/graphics/mesa-devel/ 19:22:07 only one thing is bothering me to totally switch... my wife plays one simple game on steam, some match 3 small game and if I can get that to work on freebsd I hope to make the switch for good! 19:22:17 :D 19:22:26 thank you for the links I will take a look 19:22:32 not sure id say "have to install manually" per se: pkg install mesa-devel 19:22:44 having the package exist does the majority of the work for you 19:24:13 great news! thank you for the responses I will make the bootable usb now and install it on the linux. I hope it is not more difficult to install than arch :) 19:24:49 It's very easy to install, actually. 19:25:00 Also I am so glad people use irc still. 19:27:07 oh one more thing... there is some happenings in X and Xlibre... shoud I go with Xlibre? 19:28:31 Either is fine, but Xlibre seems like it will be running the show in the future (along with Wayland?) 19:28:34 I am used to KDE but I can see some bad moves toward freeBSD, should I use xfce or mate or it will be fine using kde on the long run 19:29:03 Also, I haven't tried Steam gaming on FreeBSD (or anything else, honestly) but I've heard good things about it. 19:29:11 can they coexist on one system, wayland and X together? 19:29:23 https://www.phoronix.com/news/FreeBSD-Gaming-2026 19:29:23 great news ek 19:29:40 mirens: Yes. They can co-exist. 19:31:34 xlibre has some interesting (not in a good way) code as well as a project founder with some controversial views, if that means anything to you 19:32:58 yes that is what I heard about Xlibre 19:33:18 but than again if something that I need works only on Xlibre what to do... 19:33:38 good day #freebsd 19:34:53 does anyone know when upgrades for 13.x and 14.x stop working after eol? 19:35:19 mirens: unlikely that anything that only works on xlibre wouldn't also work on xorg OR xwayland for that matter 19:35:40 zerotime: EOL is the date that updates/upgrades are no longer provided. 19:35:45 thanks for clarification rtprio 19:36:58 thanks ek - do you know if there will be a mirror archive for packages? 19:37:00 mirens: Also, KDE Plasma runs perfectly fine on FreeBSD. In fact, it's many people's go-to. 19:38:32 KDE it is than! 19:40:59 zerotime: FreeBSD won't have official archives for EOL'd packages (it hasn't in the past, anyway.) However, archive.org will. I'd be very careful about trusting packages from random sources, though. 19:41:06 i prefer i3 or sway, but to each their own 19:41:30 I kinda like fluxbox. :/ 19:42:32 I really don't mind many of the DE's or WM's that are out there. Though, I've never had much luck with Gnome3. It just doesn't "click" for me. 19:42:35 one thing I like about kde... I can set Screen brightnes with the slider near clock on the taskbar. I know it sounds stupid but I really nead that :D 19:42:37 Hello 19:42:50 also sorry for my bad english 19:42:58 mosaid: Hello 19:43:03 mirens: You're English is fine. 19:43:37 searching for old pkgs for FreeBSD? I can help :) 19:43:42 I suppose this is quite old but it was performed in the past - http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/All/ 19:44:16 mirens: With KDE's screen brightness icon in the status bar, you can also use scrolling while hovering to adjust the brightness which is kind of handy. 19:44:26 I have many good sources here for 9/10/11/12 19:44:37 all pkgs 19:45:01 any for 13 & 14? 19:45:11 why? 19:45:22 wow ek I didnt know that!!! 19:45:25 still supported 19:45:37 now I love it even more :D 19:45:47 mosaid: I think zerotime is looking for access to pkgs in the future once they're EOL'd. 19:46:10 If there are plans for 13? Great! 19:46:11 right on the nail ek 19:46:21 Surly some mirrors will appear somewhere 19:46:37 Definitely. They always pop up. Just gotta hunt them down. 19:46:43 *surely 19:47:38 thanks for the insights all 19:47:40 well... image is "burned" to usb... time to read install DOC's and install freeBSD, wish me luck! Hope to hang around on this irc channel... you don't know how much I missed irc! 19:48:18 mirens: Have fun! I don't think you'll need any luck, though. :) 19:49:07 Dont let AI bots in irc please :D I like human interaction like this! You were all very helpfull thanks and see you soon on freeBSD! Ciao! 19:52:39 https://mirror.sg.gs/freebsd-pkg/ 19:52:41 https://ftp.neonet.bc.ca/freebsd-pkg/ (Some pkgs not in above one) 19:52:43 https://pkg.opnsense.org/ (Oh, 13/14/15 is there!) 19:52:44 https://www.bayofrum.net/pkg/ (Not alot) 19:52:45 https://mirrors.xtom.com/freebsd-pkg/ (Dead :( ) 19:53:15 as I remember I have more links but can't find them 19:53:54 also, try get old ports from svn 19:54:13 why are we trying to install old ports? 19:54:19 me? 19:54:34 yes you 19:55:19 Some good stuff gone long ago 19:56:13 so I get them back heh :) 19:58:32 Like I am using Rox, rox-clib removed; cuz python2.7 Eold.. and I need it to build rox-all apps 20:02:51 many apps really important, like video thumps.. the app factory (which creates wrappers for non-rox applications).. mime editor app (for setting this thing up) 20:05:42 Pager.. Ireally need this thing 20:07:14 I also modified the code, and build it with latest python3.11 +python2.7 20:51:23 mosaid: Why not update the port and re-introduce it to the ports tree to make it current again? 20:56:00 python2.7 eol 20:56:20 and the devs here will not this 20:56:58 I also build many old apps with new stuff like gtkdialog.. but as I said 20:57:20 mosaid: Ah. Is upstream no longer maintaining for py3.N? 21:00:04 no still supported 21:00:04 I talk about py2.7 21:00:05 those apps need the both 21:09:26 mosaid: Huh. That's... interesting? Not sure what to say about that. 21:22:06 Sorry if this is a newbie question, but the last time I used FreeBSD was in 1995. I've started using FreeBSD 15 and it seems like there are very few packages with the package manager. I keep having to compile apps, am I missing something? Are there more apps in the repository for 14 or am I missing some repositories. 21:26:51 there are roughly 36,000 packages in the official repos DarkMattr. 21:27:16 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/ 21:27:26 I am surprised regularly at how much is in there 21:28:22 maybe more helpful, what are you not finding? DarkMattr 21:28:27 I couldn't get vscode or vice installed 21:31:30 unlikely proprietary software will be in the repos 21:31:41 Google's AI lied to me, it said it was fully supported in 15, lol 21:32:02 Just type pkg install vscode 21:32:03 * deimosBSD is both shocked and chagrined 21:32:24 can't believe that AI would generate something that sounds plausible but is wrong 21:32:36 It actually said 'sudo pkg install vscode' lol 21:33:14 most llms are trained on linux and just assume freebsd is a new distribution of linux 21:33:35 vice is opensource, I'm probably going to have to compile it. At least I dont' have to compile llvm, that took forever on my linux computers 21:34:02 I'm happy to see FreeBSDs native compiler is clang 21:34:14 Illini alum here 21:36:02 deimosBSD: I don't think that's exactly true; it runs a bit deeper than that 21:36:29 they aren't advanced enough to 'assume' anything, but they'll gladly hallucinate when it pertains to Linux too 21:36:37 DarkMattr: welcome back to freebsd 21:36:42 hodapp: true 21:36:43 I wish I could get vscode, that's the only downside I see with FreeBSD so far, having to use neovim 21:36:55 fancy autocomplete or stochastic pigeons 21:37:02 lol 21:37:28 i've found "kate" from kde does 99% of what i need in an interface 21:37:40 DarkMattr: i use vscode on freebsd no problem 21:37:44 not sure what you're talking about 21:37:58 What version of FreeBSD? 21:39:46 It looks like it's only out for 14, I can't get it installed on 15 21:39:46 I'll check out kate 21:39:47 DarkMattr: i'm on 15 21:39:49 https://kate-editor.org/ 21:40:11 How did you install it. The main thing I want from vscode is attaching to containers on remote machines 21:40:35 IIRC `pkg install vscode` 21:40:59 is there a 3rd party repository I need to add? 21:41:14 I did that, is said package not found 21:41:20 it said 21:41:43 No packages available 21:46:14 https://www.freshports.org/editors/vscode/ no current build for 15 right now, it seems. prob a dependency issue that'll get sorted at some point 21:46:16 kate does look like a 99% solution, it does ssh and docker containers 21:46:31 thanks for all the advice, I'll keep giving freebsd a go 21:50:00 I'm sure with the user base, it will eventually get caught up 21:52:48 So, there's a version of vscode available for 14 and 16, but not 15. Are the even numbered releases like the Linux lts releases? 21:53:05 no 21:55:09 The port does build in 15, running vscode-1.109.0 here currently. 21:59:52 heston76: I'm cloning the source now, did you have any issues with dependencies? 22:01:42 the source is almost 2gb, this is going to take a while 22:23:47 DarkMattr: I think heston76 is talking about the FBSD port of vscode (editors/vscode). 22:25:57 You can, for ease of build until the package is ready, install ports (git clone --depth=1 https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git /usr/ports) and then install using the editors/vscode port to pull in all dependencies (make -C /usr/ports/editors/vscode all install clean) 22:27:04 This is kind of a lot compared to simple package installs. But, if you're needing it now and can't wait for the packages (I'd guess a couple days if there are no build issues?) then this will suffice until the package is available. 22:27:31 Yeah, I was refering to the the editors/vscode port. Apologies, I am still new to this irc and not sure how to tag / reply. 22:28:07 heston76: You've nailed it. There is no tagging or replying in IRC. You just type something. 22:39:11 eekay: there is tagging 22:41:24 Wait. There is? I guess it might depend on client? 22:42:03 Oh, wait. Are you talking about nick tagging (like @, :, or,?) or something? Maybe my thought of tagging is different. 22:46:31 heston76 Welcome to IRC. Since you're here, when you get a chance, perhaps look into getting an IRC bouncer. 22:46:40 well, it depends on the client to notify you if it matches your nickname, yeah 22:48:50 rtprio: Okay. That kind of tagging. Yes, there has (almost always) been that. 22:49:32 But, it isn't like tagging a message for reference or anything in things like Discord or Matrix or something. 22:49:46 Not sure which tagging heston76 is expecting.