rtprio: wait, podman runs on FreeBSD?

how did I miss this?

most likely but docker seems to have had the most applications hodapp

dunno why somebody should use podman

I thought things like rootless were a lot easier with podman

Docker is just an implementation of OCI these days, the same as podman. and the main reason to use podman is... podman runs on freebsd. docker, at least last time i looked, does not

docker doesn't run on freebsd?

not even in the Linux compatible mode?

that's weird

I think another reason might be that podman is a more foss-compliant product

Docker requires Linux kernel features like cgroups and namespaces that aren't supported by Linux emulation

Docker is very tied to Linux-isms, last I checked

yeah that

okay i see that's news to me today

i assume you could use podman to run a Linux OCI image in FreeBSD, but i've never tried that

why use docker/podman when you can use jails

because all you have is a Docker image

ivy: I know you can do it with containerd & runj

okay that'd bring up a need

scottpedia: podman uses jails. the reason to use any sort of container is because it suits your development workflow to deploy applications as containers rather than some other way

last time I tried anything like this it was via productionwithscissors.run/2022/09/04/containerd-linux-on-freebsd

okay but I understand container as just one step more simplified than what you can do manually ivy

hodapp: yar

hodapp: it gets annoying passing in 'linux/amd64' all the time but you can use real images from the dockerhub

rtprio: with podman?

yep

I'll have to try this soon

it's the kind of stuff i try to keep off of my freebsd servers, but i have a workstation again so i will probably spin it up soon

linkedlist.org/2024/12/09/freebsd-oci-containers ahh so this looks more recent (than last time I tried)

hodapp: They are full OCI compliant now.

podman?

any binary "pkg" sqlite3 for tcl9.* out yet?

I upgraded to tcl 9 and got some problems with old sqlite3 which was installed with tcl8

after struggling to find a environment to develop a openbsd fork

i landed on freebsd

it seems like its gonna stick other than wifi

but its so nice to use so far that i might just get a compatible wifi using usb

i got effectively a better version of gentoo using ports and synth

good choice librecat !

its fully source based but uses a binary only package manager with librecat

rip you corrupted my stack

11:42 < librecat> i landed on freebsd <- very good choice !

its like gentoo but uses pkg as a backaend

also freebsd is rock solid

extremely stable

much more stable than i expected

100% stability

i thought that 13.5 would be a good choice for me for developing this openbsd 7.0 fork

but i was wrong in a good way when i found out it uses llvm 19(same as 15.0)

15.0 or CURRENT are better choices for developers

also im using a ryzen 7 9700x as cpu

and its fully supported

even thought 13.0 came out in late 2021

this is true stability right here

and i can use other nice things like latest blobbed nvidia driver

mzar: once 13.5 fall out of support im gonna jump to 16-CURRENT

im extremely excited for a fully modular system

mzar: before 15 or 16 i was trying freebsd occasionally and upgrading from one -CURRENT to another was so painful

now we can upgrade much more modularly

using -CURRENT will be possible now

librecat: switch to pkgbase now and install CURRENT

mzar: how do i do that on 13.5 lol

do i do 15 first

then 15 with pkgbase

then 16-current?

because logically if i do 15.0 with sets first

then do 15.0 with pkgbase its gonna overwrite the exact same files

but register them

mzar: alright here goes nothing :)

librecat: upgrade 13.5 => 14.3, pkgbasify, upgrade 14.3 => 16.0-CURRENT

too late to cancel 13.5 -> 15.0 now

mzar: oh my gosh wow

its already fully modular

you can use generic-nodebug kernel if you are concerned about performance

every component is a package

oh also the base is now built rootless right

if they do the same invention for ports.....

imagine running synth like nix or homebrew

as your NORMAL USER

mzar: right now is the start of a FreeBSD golden age :)

librecat: it's safe and straightforward path if you have root on ZFS that offers you the ability to create testing boot enviroment (BE)

mzar: i like UFS more sorry

hmmm

do i just reinstall

i dont have much on this system right now

i can get a snapshot and install using pkgbase to start with

because im gonna have to rebuild the ports anyway

librecat: it has already happened, the Golden Age of FreeBSD was during 4.x times, Golden Age is a history

i dont care

freebsd best

i love it so much

OK, if you really appreciate what the guys are cooking and serving you, you can support them by donating a few bucks to FreeBSD Foundation

orrrr i add freebsd to the list of projects i want to contribute to

im already contributing to hyperbolabsd from admiration

OK, go ahed

ahead*

yeah

lemme look at what the devs are up to :)

most of package building works without root privileges and I would hope synth does it like that, but starting jails for isolation from the host needs root

see mzar here is a problem to solve

like making a daemon to start a restricted jail if the user is in a particular group

so that poudriere and synth work even when invoked by a normal privleged user

its like docker group

in linux

but unilke that i can make it super limited

some days ago docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/contributing was linked

and no way to change it

oh i like doing copiler upgrades

perfect

lets make a fully functional freebsd 16-current using latest stable llvm :)

i know a bit of C

so i can look at the code and say either "this code needs tiny refactor", "this code needs a per-line warning supression" etc

i think with this transition to a modular system freebsd needs a unified packaging system that is backward compatbile

simillar to gentoo and portage

and also synth

it should be a distributed sandboxed rootless builder

and then you install results using pkg as root

also hyperbola project has everything blocked by libc rewrite

so i might try to write a demo or a PoC

have you done drugs

me?

what *is* this activity?

when i get too excited like this

hypomania. i've had it too. it can be fun

AmyMalik: its called other things

not what you said

is my pkg database corrupt when updating it spits out errors with sqlite?

pkg: sqlite error while executing INSERT OR REPLACE INTO packages

CrypticSquared: I think k there was some weird repo bug earlier

Have you tried swapping to latest?

pkubaj, hi! Is your commit cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/graph…310fb54038d40bfdd8ab786aeb538e157f4 fixes PR bugs.freebsd.org/292257 ?

You'll all be pleased to hear that I've ordered a raspberry pi zero 2w, which seem to have come down in price, so that I can tinker without smacking into the fact that what was an underpowered board in 2012 isn't well supported

Well, not as much anyway

I got pretty interested in the boot process hence the choice of pi and not another faster imitator that has bad documentation

i still have a pi 1b and holy hell is that thing slow now

i mean, it was always slow

I hope usb cec works a bit better with the newer card

#claude

sorry it was a mistake

VVD: yes, it does

thanks

i didn't write anything, because i found out about it not from bugzilla, but my own bulk builds

I think that I am cursed.