when I worked at Diamond Offshore my boss used to watch all these old TV shows one of them that I hated was beverly hillbillies

Watched that one as a kid. Hogan Hero's too.

Petticoat Junction

abandon freebsd diary for that other blog eh?

WHAT!?

so I just hacked if_private.h into net/ndproxy. there's almost certainly a better way to do what I want

i also don't know if pa_func can be replaced with pa_mbuf_chk

Hello, I have made this question also on discord, but, is someone avaliable on having a student on the process of contributing (with programming) to FreeBSD?

cndghm: say what now ?

i think you are lookng for a mentor

cndghm: what area of "programming"

cndghm: wiki.freebsd.org/MentorMatch

cpet: Yep, I'm looking for a mentor, I would like to contribute to the kernel or something related to hardware/drivers.

i would start with the ML's

I will take a look at this link, thank you!

some commiters get frowned upon when you just email then and go Mentor me!

cndghm: i would pop in #freebsd-dev as well

I supose so, I have some ideias that i could help with, mostly related to drivers and making a more pleasent desktop experience. For the first time I got a good laptop that works outofthebox with FreeBSD. I always wanted to contribute but this new achiviment make me want to do the first step

Althrough I'm somewhat experience with programming I dind't want to start messing with other people work-in-progress or these kind of things yk

work on them and test them and submit them someone will ask you to fix, format or change

in theory if I remeber correctly when I started back in 2003 no one really start with having a mentor you submit patches and PR's

I see, I'm new to FreeBSD (at least contributing to it) I have some neewbie knowleage about the system in general but I wouldn't like to bother other people, then I'm really looking for some advices

if you have an idea i dont think you would be bothering people

ive always wondered why people worry so much about that

I have submitted so many duplicate PR's that I think i pissed off bdrewery half the time

but hey I still submit PR's

To be fair, I didn't have a great experience with the Linux community back in the day. But my idea is to work on drivers for some webcam that I have here (Some from logitech and two integrated webcam from notebook) they drivers don't work, but I think I can write something for them

cndghm: you would noy like the openbsd community then

hah

cndghm: i would just work on the patches and make sure they work with current and then submit PR's

after a few reviews and replies im sure they eill get in

on a side note theres a reaosn why I kept on using freebsd for almost 30 years vs Linux

Linux is messy? I can surely agree with that

ive read some of the git commit logs for linux

and some are just heh

but thats what happens when you have 1 person that either accepts or denies patches

you will not know if you do not give it a try.. See how other webcam code is written, style wise, then go at it.. you will learn if they do not like it :)

I see, that guy sometimes acts as a monarchist

cndghm: hes a tool

but i wont get into that here :P

the coding is "easy" it is the people aspect that is "difficult"

Sure, let's ignore this subject

cndghm: now if you have patches I would submit a pr

cndghm: if you want reviewers you can use reviews.freebsd.org

hi there, new to FreeBSD (coming from a long time as a linux, and relevant to this question, docker user). I'm trying to use Bastille templates to create jails, but a problem I'm running into is that I want internet access in the jail *just* for downloading packages, but don't need it beyond that

I dindn't start them yet, I have read the log files when FreeBSD tries to load the device and through I could fix them. Rn i'm on vacation (I work with computational physics) so I tough "Why not start now?"

nvaxplus: vnet and pf

cndghm: vacation why are you on IRC then ?

heh

cpet: ok cool, I'm still a little unclear on the exact different between classic and vnet jails

but I will keep reading

same thing except vnet isolates to only the jail

cpet: Can I say my hobby is coding? lol

firewal everything of except for pkg.

cndghm: not when youre on vacation!

there is some good material here:https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/jails/#creating-vnet-jail

cpet, ahh ok

i went the bridge0 route

ok thanks

or you can do the pf route.. and default to smarter people than me

i didnt like having to add nat rues to PF

so i went bridge as well

cpet: fair enough lol, but thank you these advices, I will start writing and make an PR

so I had already run bastille setup which created an interface, is there value in undoing that?

does the interface work now?

or does not work at all

I can't access the internet inside the jail

but these are classic not vnet jails to clarify

I will just have to read the docs closer

i would look around htere.. i am not familar with bastille but looks like you can do it .. with some ninja skills

nvaxplus: you can use bastille to install pkg's and leave the jail as is

nvaxplus: i think thats what you want anyways

cpet, I tried that, i.e. using the host pkg but this seems to not work with templates near as I can tell

unless I'm missing something

bastille pkg flicker vim

will have the hsot install vim on flicker

sudo bastille pkg jail1 install vim

pardon my ignorance, here's the error I get pastebin.com/dafkxZXD

can you resolve something else ?

such as host drink.unix.beer

I can ping, install packages, etc on the host just fine

so you have to hve working network on the jail to install package

"drink.unix.beer has address 173.212.248.138"

ok see if this does anything

the "-H" option is supposed to use the host pkg, but it breaks in a different way

bastille network jail -B

should use birdge

the other way requires adding some nat rules to pf

I don't understand why this is failing too

did you create the birdge and add in the options to host rc.conf ?

let me see

Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/quarterly, please wait...

pkg: Error fetching pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/quarterly/Latest/pkg.pkg: Non-recoverable resolver failure

well im getting the same so

:D

I haven't been able to find this error anywhere

the host option just seems to not work right

well im using bhyve as well so i can only have 1 bridge

public standard vm-public - no - - re0

found my issue

theres no IP assigned :D

public standard vm-public 69.92.116.219/32 no - - re0

see if it works now

cpet: you've never pissed me off

mine has an IP assigned

nvaxplus: vm-bhyve creates a switch i added the bastille jail to that

nvaxplus: but since beer was involved when I did it i forgot how I did it :D

bdrewery: lies until proven otherwise

bdrewery: or awk says so

what I don't understand is that I've followed the official bastille documentation exactly but it just doesn't work

I've copied all the commands verbatim

well it doesnt work for me as well

so bleh

frustrating

maybe I'll try a different jail manager

bastille create -B wwwsrv 15.0-RELEASE 69.92.116.219/32 vm-public

root@wwwsrv:~ # host google.com

;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

hah

honestly lets see if my netbsd vm works

if that doesnt work then my switch stuff is all messed up

netbsd10 default uefi 4 4G 0.0.0.0:5900 No Running (20023)

ok so that shit is running

ok so VNC doesnt work so

oh no works

see if I remeber the password

ok I may have to redo this switch

nvaxplus: my issue was caused by duplicate IP

and netbsd's weird way on handling it

root@jail1:~ # host aol.com

aol.com has address 13.248.158.7

aol.com has address 76.223.84.192

aol.com mail is handled by 10 mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net.

root@jail1:~ #

well thats was stupid

issue one bastille created the rc.conf to add a IP without a mask so ip was never added

as apparently you cant do that any more

nvaxplus: run the jail and see if /etc/rc.conf is properly added

nvaxplus: if its missing a netmask add one

root@jail1:~ # ifconfig vnet0 69.92.116.219

ifconfig: ERROR: setting interface address without mask is no longer supported.

cpet: fixed it!

pf hadn't been set up right

# If 0.0.0.0 set DHCP, else set static IP address

if [ "${ip}" = "0.0.0.0" ] || [ "${ip}" = "DHCP" ] || [ "${ip}" = "SYNCDHCP" ]; then

sysrc -f "${jail_rc_config}" ifconfig_${jail_vnet}="SYNCDHCP"

else

sysrc -f "${jail_rc_config}" ifconfig_${jail_vnet}="inet ${IP4_ADDR}"

fi

hah

i opened a issue

p/quit

sorry, I have another dumb question. I don't understand why freebsd's xargs is jumbling up multi-line input as a single line

e.g. if I do echo -e "foo-x\nbar-x" | grep ".*-x" | xargs mycommand, mycommand gets passed "foo-x bar-x" despite the fact that if I remove the last pipe it's printed as multiple lines

(rather than getting passed foo-x and then bar-x)

ah! -L1 is what I want

how do i use tcp_bbr? i loaded the kernel module and set net.inet.tcp.functions_default=bbr but it's not showing up in net.inet.tcp.cc.available

I wonder why my jail just goes "Fetching data.pkg: 20% 16 KiB 0.0kB/s - stalled -" in pkgbasify

and this is just for FreeBSD-base, ports and kmods update fine

So i just renamed a partition label with gpart.. .and it looks like zfs just.... picked it up. and doing a zfs get path pool dev gave the right path

i'm going to move drives around my nas and i'm curious if that's all there is to it in order to relabel them

Hi folks. Question: what workflow do you use for working on a Port?

Do you just clone the entire ports tree and edit it manually?

You mean developing it or something?

not sure if that's any help but a starting point maybe?

I want to edit the SQLite port so that the sqlite_rsync binary is included.

I think portsnap is what I am looking for

mr_sm1th: yes, we edit it manually

OH! Portsnap has been retired 6 years ago?

yes, long time ago

now you use git

OK just --depth 1

I don't know, I always go with full depth

Why is it not mentioned in the manpage that portsnap is on its way out?

why does poudriere here rebuild perl5.42 even tho i use -b and the latest repo has the same version? l2.re/zum_hW

hm with poudriere-dsh2dsh it seems to work better

Does anyone know general strategies for debugging a Makefile? I am getting an error and want to do the steps manually.

mr_smith, my first step would be "make sure none of the comands in a target are prefixed by spaces instead of a tab" (because I was bit by that one and spent 1 hour looking for problems elsewhere). Then, if that doesn't change the symptoms, I would try the -n, -N, and or -d options; see manual page for info on those.

Since you specified you want to try the commandq manually, probably either -n or -N.

s/commandq/commands/

anyone familiar with apache24 .htaccess? i try to add a .htpasswd file but when i do i get internal server error when i try to auth and access the folder

i created the .htpasswd file correctly

but when i point to it in .htaccess the server gives interna server error after authentication

what do the logs say?

i'll check in in a while, occupied atm

Anyone done / seen research on a good recordsize for /usr/ports? for /usr/ports/distfiles?

do you think that it requires special treatment dvl ?

surrounder i see nothing in the logs, i'll paste the .htaccess file

wsky: usually happens if your httpd.conf does not allow some of the overrides

Remilia thanks, i'll check on, it, any specific directive i should look for?

wsky: tbh if you are getting the basic auth prompt, it probably means htaccess is fine

that is, if your username/password work

another thing is, if there is a .htaccess file in the dir i can't display it in the directory list of apache

what do you mean

unless you want to say you are unfaimiliar with dotfiles

familiar*

well the directory is a user dir public_html from moduserdir

and i display server directories and files in there

oh

tbh since we do not know much about your Apache configuration it is hard to say?

by default it should *not* list files if I recall right

it does list files by default

are you sure you are using apache 2.4 style directives like "require all <something>" instead of old apache 2.2 "require valid user"

the directories contain no index.html

if this is copy/paste word for word you have a typo in it

what typo?

Pequire vs Require

that would give a 503

ok corrected the typo

now i get no auth at all but the folder displays :s

because you already typed your username and password once

this is basic auth, it will NOT ask you every single time

restart your browser completely

all works now, thanks you guys <3 o/

there are some examples here of require any, require all and explanations httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_authz_core.html#require

i still haven't learned most of it

aic: honestly you shouldn't be using basic auth

it's Bad

Remilia it's good enough for my purpose

however the folder is still not listable in the directory list

congrats on freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes Ugrade worked like a charm 8-)

is it because you do not have Options +Indexes in your .htaccess?

you do not provide enough information to say anything

without Indexes enabled it should show either 403 forbidden or 404 not found

Remilia can give me the exact directive?

wsky: I gave you the exact directive

Options +Indexes ?

yes?

this gives internal server error

[19:25:52] <Remilia> wsky: usually happens if your httpd.conf does not allow some of the overrides

:|

gee

please consider perusing this URL?

Remilia AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes

this is what /usr/local/etc/apache24/extra/httpd-userdir.conf contns

wsky: and what is your URL like?

the part after the host

if you access the dir you'll see a pic of my butt xp

I will not access it

and are you sure you uncommented #Include etc/apache24/extra/httpd-userdir.conf in httpd.conf?

wsky: have you paste bined your httpd.conf?

wsky: you need to enable soe modules to get htpasswd working

Remilia yes

then you have conflicts somewhere

cpet at this point htpasswd is working

the dir is just not listed on the directory list

looks like a perms issue

I'm also still unsure if it was a 404 or 403 when trying without Options +Indexes

(though it really should not throw a 500 if AllowOverride is set correctly)

Remiliait's not neither 404 nor 403

before adding Options>

?

you never provide enough information, I can only guess

before adding options

polease do tell what information you need

what was the error when you tried to list files before adding Options +Indexes?

right now i get no errors

crikey...

what's in the logs wsky

well what do you get then?

idk how apache does logging but I imagine it does log errors and why they happened

i get internal server error if i add the Options +Indexes directive

what do you get when you don't??

what does the page look like when you access it without adding Options +Indexes? what does it say there?

the list of the files in the directory

wsky: error.log should show why its giving you a 500

then what is wrong

you wanted the list

but the dir isn't being listed on the directory list

what dir?

does the dir have a dot in it ?

the dir that is supposed to have auth

cpet no

[19:28:39] <Remilia> what do you mean

[19:29:01] <Remilia> unless you want to say you are unfaimiliar with dotfiles

the dir will only show after you properly authed

anything that matches .ht* will be hidden

it's in the default Apache configuration

cpet that is what is happening

Apache will also not show anything starting with . in the directory index except . and ..

but this is basic stuff

you already know that

yes i am aware of the dot files

theseare unix basics :p

i'm not new

if you can't get apache to proeprly work with htpasswd

i can get the fact thatis not true

but that does not matter now does it

i never set htpasswd before

right now all is working

but the dir will get only listed if the auth was performed

give me access and a coffee gift card and ill fix it for you

heh

it is working

then what is the problem

nothing, yоу гуыс челпед ме

ит ис йуст тчат и'д лике тче дир беинг висибле бефоре аутч

nothiung you guys helped me

wow that's some wild transliteration

but i'sd like to have the dir visible before the auth is performed

sorry i switched to cyrylic by accident :p

I've never seen someone use the яверты layout

he was curising at us and then realized he was speaking russian

:D

see what he said

it's my third language, i know it very little

cpet: no it's transliterated 'it is just that I'd like the dir being visible before auth'

i know cyrylic and some basic russian

Remilia yup

just very weirdly

It's just that I'd like the deer to be visible before it gets hurt.

hah ok

anyways, it is what it is now

cpet: for comparison typically if someone accidentally switched layouts you'd see this instead: ше шы огые ерфе Ш?в дшлу еру вшк ещ иу мшышиду иуащку фгер

:D

which makes no sense

she shi ogye erfe Sh?v dshlu eru vshk esh iu mshishidu iuashku fger

let me show you the sound of my people

yeah that's the йцукенг layout

jcukeng

MelMalik: as a fun fact, JCUKENG is the Latin layout of the old Soviet computers

i believe i have a аоеуидхтнс layout (cyrillic mnemonic dvorak)

something like this

though this one is altered

its altered

Remilia: I was leanring russian using some mobile app, should of taken it in college

Remilia: but I did not

i actually cared about my russian lessons in school xP

I'm a translator ha ha

i fauled anyway :D

failed

studied Russian in the university as my major

wsky: get back to your apache config

it was a mistake, no one really needs (or needed) translations from Russian outside government jobs

i enjoy talking in russian

but i know it only on basic level

at least i can read russian yt comments :P

the tecjhers hated me, i don't think you should fail a student that cares

teachers dont like smart students

languages are very language

language are very languages

works both ways

if not private teaching i'd not know english neither xP

i have no diplomas for nothing :D

and lately someone taken me for a phd in philophy :DD

i never told i have phd in philosophy

then they got realy mad when it turned out i have no phd

you lied

wtf man

i never said i have a phd :D

and they were sure i do :D

see lies again

wtf

tell me where it says i have a phd

gib me bitcoin and ill tell you

:D

gib me $$ and i'll write you a poem :D

create pull request with "I have a PHD in philosophy"

see what I did there ?

:DD

:P

wsky: done :D

you bastard :D

baha!

wsky: It says right there on your about page, see screenshot: ctrlv.link/shots/2025/12/13/WMuv.png

:DDDDDD

yes i know how to edit loaded html code too

show me your hope page, it will say you have a small pee pee

i like my pull request better

I bet you learned that in the PhD program

XDDDD

:(

Besides, my homepage already says that, so it proves nothing

:D

it provies that we can verify

that what was previously said is true

that is all

has a Phd in philosophy get confused by apache

heh

>:(

i have not used apache is a while

i never used nginx

always apache

i'm fine with it

nginx syntax irritates the living hell out of me

i never used it so really have no feeling torwards it :P

i do like Caddy

the concept is nice

i had lighthttpd on a jailbroken ipod touch :D

thats just wrong man

:DD

i ran wordpress :D

the last think I jailbroke was a super old android running 6.x or something

for some reason I get so many wordpress attmpes

perdwress

i mainly use drupal

4.106.58.175 - - [08/Dec/2025:10:42:50 -0600] "HEAD /wordpress/ HTTP/1.1" 404 155

if i go cms

i invented my own ssg

not sure why i havent ran wordpress in a long time

i will need to run wordpress, my business partner requires that from me

wsky: I like gravcms doesnt need a DB its all txt files

because everyone runs wordpress

in markdown

i make most sites with Eleventy :D

wsky: but i migrated to hugo cause well peeehpee

that's so fucked i'm sorry

its only fucked if you think its fucked

you can pretend it's ok

its not ok

i can't

one step at a time

and this too shall pass

if i have an iso written to da0, what's the easiest way to wipe it quickly?

dd?

what do you expect, you wont pass through your hardware limitations

you want to clean the disk or remove the ISO ?

this is a trick question

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1M count=1 i guess

:)

kerneldove: camcontrol format

or if you want to install some packages

dvd+rw-format -blank=full /dev/cd0

what ever happened to burncd

Remove usr.sbin/burncd, useless after legacy ATA stack removal.

ok fair enough

so remove burncd but keep cdcontrol?

i.koumakan.jp/2025-12-13/1765666511.png lots of fun with 15.0 in Hyper-V

maybe I should postpone upgrading my actual server since I run wireguard on it…

Security wise, if i want to write a _portable_ application that safely contains _itself_ after startup (there can be free-bsd specifics in #ifdef's), what are the best/easiest options?

The old classic was having a specific user that chroot's itself, the obvious security issues left is syscalls with privilegie escalations (how common are these?) and their ability to make syscalls to stuff like creating sockets? (Can an application say that it doesn't want access or do I need to go to jails or smth alike for restricting such?)

ooh.. there's a jail() syscall..

huh... must be a superuser :| .. I guess if jails are given ID's you don't want to create oppurtunities for resource exhaustion

Basically my end-goal is, i want to compile modules mostly for compute (game simulation) where per-process-thread performance isn't limited, it only needs to see files in it's own directory (a manager process might create mmap'able files for IPC) but the compute-process itself has no need to (A: any syscalls apart from accessing it's limited

filesystem and allocating memory B: having memory limits), preferably without the manager process needing to be a superuser process (although it could be superuser if it's jailed itself perhaps?)