00:08:40 when I worked at Diamond Offshore my boss used to watch all these old TV shows one of them that I hated was beverly hillbillies 00:09:37 Watched that one as a kid. Hogan Hero's too. 00:09:53 Petticoat Junction 00:44:53 abandon freebsd diary for that other blog eh? 01:20:12 WHAT!? 02:56:24 so I just hacked if_private.h into net/ndproxy. there's almost certainly a better way to do what I want 02:56:48 i also don't know if pa_func can be replaced with pa_mbuf_chk 04:04:25 Hello, I have made this question also on discord, but, is someone avaliable on having a student on the process of contributing (with programming) to FreeBSD? 04:41:37 cndghm: say what now ? 04:43:17 i think you are lookng for a mentor 04:43:47 cndghm: what area of "programming" 04:46:55 cndghm: https://wiki.freebsd.org/MentorMatch 04:51:14 cpet: Yep, I'm looking for a mentor, I would like to contribute to the kernel or something related to hardware/drivers. 04:51:29 i would start with the ML's 04:51:29 I will take a look at this link, thank you! 04:51:44 some commiters get frowned upon when you just email then and go Mentor me! 04:53:35 cndghm: i would pop in #freebsd-dev as well 04:54:10 I supose so, I have some ideias that i could help with, mostly related to drivers and making a more pleasent desktop experience. For the first time I got a good laptop that works outofthebox with FreeBSD. I always wanted to contribute but this new achiviment make me want to do the first step 04:54:45 Althrough I'm somewhat experience with programming I dind't want to start messing with other people work-in-progress or these kind of things yk 04:55:17 https://lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freebsd-current 04:56:02 work on them and test them and submit them someone will ask you to fix, format or change 04:57:02 in theory if I remeber correctly when I started back in 2003 no one really start with having a mentor you submit patches and PR's 04:58:01 I see, I'm new to FreeBSD (at least contributing to it) I have some neewbie knowleage about the system in general but I wouldn't like to bother other people, then I'm really looking for some advices 04:58:38 if you have an idea i dont think you would be bothering people 04:59:30 ive always wondered why people worry so much about that 04:59:49 I have submitted so many duplicate PR's that I think i pissed off bdrewery half the time 04:59:54 but hey I still submit PR's 05:01:17 To be fair, I didn't have a great experience with the Linux community back in the day. But my idea is to work on drivers for some webcam that I have here (Some from logitech and two integrated webcam from notebook) they drivers don't work, but I think I can write something for them 05:01:37 cndghm: you would noy like the openbsd community then 05:01:38 hah 05:02:22 cndghm: i would just work on the patches and make sure they work with current and then submit PR's 05:02:37 after a few reviews and replies im sure they eill get in 05:03:00 on a side note theres a reaosn why I kept on using freebsd for almost 30 years vs Linux 05:03:53 Linux is messy? I can surely agree with that 05:04:33 ive read some of the git commit logs for linux 05:04:37 and some are just heh 05:05:08 but thats what happens when you have 1 person that either accepts or denies patches 05:05:48 you will not know if you do not give it a try.. See how other webcam code is written, style wise, then go at it.. you will learn if they do not like it :) 05:05:50 I see, that guy sometimes acts as a monarchist 05:06:07 cndghm: hes a tool 05:06:12 but i wont get into that here :P 05:06:24 the coding is "easy" it is the people aspect that is "difficult" 05:06:26 Sure, let's ignore this subject 05:06:48 cndghm: now if you have patches I would submit a pr 05:07:06 cndghm: if you want reviewers you can use reviews.freebsd.org 05:07:50 hi there, new to FreeBSD (coming from a long time as a linux, and relevant to this question, docker user). I'm trying to use Bastille templates to create jails, but a problem I'm running into is that I want internet access in the jail *just* for downloading packages, but don't need it beyond that 05:08:08 I dindn't start them yet, I have read the log files when FreeBSD tries to load the device and through I could fix them. Rn i'm on vacation (I work with computational physics) so I tough "Why not start now?" 05:08:22 nvaxplus: vnet and pf 05:08:55 cndghm: vacation why are you on IRC then ? 05:08:56 heh 05:09:00 cpet: ok cool, I'm still a little unclear on the exact different between classic and vnet jails 05:09:16 but I will keep reading 05:09:19 same thing except vnet isolates to only the jail 05:09:58 cpet: Can I say my hobby is coding? lol 05:10:03 firewal everything of except for pkg. 05:10:11 cndghm: not when youre on vacation! 05:10:19 there is some good material here:https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/jails/#creating-vnet-jail 05:10:27 cpet, ahh ok 05:10:29 i went the bridge0 route 05:10:40 ok thanks 05:10:42 or you can do the pf route.. and default to smarter people than me 05:10:43 i didnt like having to add nat rues to PF 05:10:49 so i went bridge as well 05:11:08 cpet: fair enough lol, but thank you these advices, I will start writing and make an PR 05:11:09 so I had already run bastille setup which created an interface, is there value in undoing that? 05:11:29 does the interface work now? 05:11:32 or does not work at all 05:11:41 I can't access the internet inside the jail 05:11:51 but these are classic not vnet jails to clarify 05:12:25 https://docs.bastillebsd.org/en/latest/chapters/networking.html 05:12:38 I will just have to read the docs closer 05:12:42 i would look around htere.. i am not familar with bastille but looks like you can do it .. with some ninja skills 05:15:37 nvaxplus: you can use bastille to install pkg's and leave the jail as is 05:15:46 nvaxplus: i think thats what you want anyways 05:16:06 cpet, I tried that, i.e. using the host pkg but this seems to not work with templates near as I can tell 05:16:16 unless I'm missing something 05:16:33 bastille pkg flicker vim 05:16:42 will have the hsot install vim on flicker 05:18:17 sudo bastille pkg jail1 install vim 05:20:25 pardon my ignorance, here's the error I get https://pastebin.com/dafkxZXD 05:21:31 can you resolve something else ? 05:21:54 such as host drink.unix.beer 05:22:03 I can ping, install packages, etc on the host just fine 05:22:27 so you have to hve working network on the jail to install package 05:22:38 "drink.unix.beer has address 173.212.248.138" 05:25:14 ok see if this does anything 05:25:23 the "-H" option is supposed to use the host pkg, but it breaks in a different way 05:25:23 bastille network jail -B 05:25:36 should use birdge 05:25:46 the other way requires adding some nat rules to pf 05:26:56 https://pastebin.com/97YTPwEr 05:27:04 I don't understand why this is failing too 05:29:24 did you create the birdge and add in the options to host rc.conf ? 05:29:53 let me see 05:31:30 Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/quarterly, please wait... 05:31:34 pkg: Error fetching https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/quarterly/Latest/pkg.pkg: Non-recoverable resolver failure 05:31:37 well im getting the same so 05:31:38 :D 05:37:25 I haven't been able to find this error anywhere 05:37:31 the host option just seems to not work right 05:38:24 well im using bhyve as well so i can only have 1 bridge 05:38:59 public standard vm-public - no - - re0 05:39:03 found my issue 05:39:13 theres no IP assigned :D 05:41:25 public standard vm-public 69.92.116.219/32 no - - re0 05:41:29 see if it works now 05:42:01 cpet: you've never pissed me off 05:44:42 mine has an IP assigned 05:47:29 nvaxplus: vm-bhyve creates a switch i added the bastille jail to that 05:47:43 nvaxplus: but since beer was involved when I did it i forgot how I did it :D 05:48:07 bdrewery: lies until proven otherwise 05:48:11 bdrewery: or awk says so 05:48:15 what I don't understand is that I've followed the official bastille documentation exactly but it just doesn't work 05:48:19 I've copied all the commands verbatim 05:50:36 well it doesnt work for me as well 05:50:41 so bleh 05:52:00 frustrating 05:52:24 maybe I'll try a different jail manager 05:53:27 bastille create -B wwwsrv 15.0-RELEASE 69.92.116.219/32 vm-public 05:53:37 root@wwwsrv:~ # host google.com 05:53:38 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached 05:53:40 hah 05:57:02 honestly lets see if my netbsd vm works 05:57:13 if that doesnt work then my switch stuff is all messed up 05:57:50 netbsd10 default uefi 4 4G 0.0.0.0:5900 No Running (20023) 05:57:55 ok so that shit is running 05:58:51 ok so VNC doesnt work so 05:59:36 oh no works 05:59:43 see if I remeber the password 06:01:46 ok I may have to redo this switch 06:13:15 nvaxplus: my issue was caused by duplicate IP 06:13:23 and netbsd's weird way on handling it 06:34:23 root@jail1:~ # host aol.com 06:34:23 aol.com has address 13.248.158.7 06:34:23 aol.com has address 76.223.84.192 06:34:23 aol.com mail is handled by 10 mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net. 06:34:23 root@jail1:~ # 06:34:27 well thats was stupid 06:34:58 issue one bastille created the rc.conf to add a IP without a mask so ip was never added 06:35:10 as apparently you cant do that any more 06:36:01 nvaxplus: run the jail and see if /etc/rc.conf is properly added 06:36:14 nvaxplus: if its missing a netmask add one 06:36:36 root@jail1:~ # ifconfig vnet0 69.92.116.219 06:36:36 ifconfig: ERROR: setting interface address without mask is no longer supported. 07:00:05 cpet: fixed it! 07:00:17 pf hadn't been set up right 07:01:53 # If 0.0.0.0 set DHCP, else set static IP address 07:01:53 if [ "${ip}" = "0.0.0.0" ] || [ "${ip}" = "DHCP" ] || [ "${ip}" = "SYNCDHCP" ]; then 07:01:56 sysrc -f "${jail_rc_config}" ifconfig_${jail_vnet}="SYNCDHCP" 07:01:59 else 07:02:01 sysrc -f "${jail_rc_config}" ifconfig_${jail_vnet}="inet ${IP4_ADDR}" 07:02:05 fi 07:02:07 hah 07:08:23 i opened a issue 07:10:16 * cpet did his bsd deed for the day 07:18:14 p/quit 07:30:30 sorry, I have another dumb question. I don't understand why freebsd's xargs is jumbling up multi-line input as a single line 07:31:40 e.g. if I do echo -e "foo-x\nbar-x" | grep ".*-x" | xargs mycommand, mycommand gets passed "foo-x bar-x" despite the fact that if I remove the last pipe it's printed as multiple lines 07:32:00 (rather than getting passed foo-x and then bar-x) 07:43:37 ah! -L1 is what I want 09:30:29 how do i use tcp_bbr? i loaded the kernel module and set net.inet.tcp.functions_default=bbr but it's not showing up in net.inet.tcp.cc.available 09:34:27 I wonder why my jail just goes "Fetching data.pkg: 20% 16 KiB 0.0kB/s - stalled -" in pkgbasify 09:34:41 and this is just for FreeBSD-base, ports and kmods update fine 12:14:52 So i just renamed a partition label with gpart.. .and it looks like zfs just.... picked it up. and doing a zfs get path pool dev gave the right path 12:15:16 i'm going to move drives around my nas and i'm curious if that's all there is to it in order to relabel them 12:20:45 Hi folks. Question: what workflow do you use for working on a Port? 12:20:46 Do you just clone the entire ports tree and edit it manually? 12:31:05 You mean developing it or something? 12:31:21 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/new-port/ 12:31:29 not sure if that's any help but a starting point maybe? 12:33:47 I want to edit the SQLite port so that the sqlite_rsync binary is included. 12:33:58 I think portsnap is what I am looking for 12:35:42 mr_sm1th: yes, we edit it manually 12:39:21 OH! Portsnap has been retired 6 years ago? 12:39:34 yes, long time ago 12:39:43 now you use git 12:40:38 OK just --depth 1 12:41:32 I don't know, I always go with full depth 12:55:02 Why is it not mentioned in the manpage that portsnap is on its way out? 13:14:59 why does poudriere here rebuild perl5.42 even tho i use -b and the latest repo has the same version? https://l2.re/zum_hW 13:28:59 hm with poudriere-dsh2dsh it seems to work better 13:30:11 Does anyone know general strategies for debugging a Makefile? I am getting an error and want to do the steps manually. 14:26:43 mr_smith, my first step would be "make sure none of the comands in a target are prefixed by spaces instead of a tab" (because I was bit by that one and spent 1 hour looking for problems elsewhere). Then, if that doesn't change the symptoms, I would try the -n, -N, and or -d options; see manual page for info on those. 14:27:42 Since you specified you want to try the commandq manually, probably either -n or -N. 14:28:00 s/commandq/commands/ 18:17:57 anyone familiar with apache24 .htaccess? i try to add a .htpasswd file but when i do i get internal server error when i try to auth and access the folder 18:22:20 i created the .htpasswd file correctly 18:28:03 but when i point to it in .htaccess the server gives interna server error after authentication 18:28:21 what do the logs say? 18:28:57 i'll check in in a while, occupied atm 18:35:56 Anyone done / seen research on a good recordsize for /usr/ports? for /usr/ports/distfiles? 18:58:46 do you think that it requires special treatment dvl ? 19:25:40 surrounder i see nothing in the logs, i'll paste the .htaccess file 19:25:52 wsky: usually happens if your httpd.conf does not allow some of the overrides 19:26:21 * wsky https://paste.debian.net/1413859/ 19:26:46 Remilia thanks, i'll check on, it, any specific directive i should look for? 19:27:37 wsky: tbh if you are getting the basic auth prompt, it probably means htaccess is fine 19:28:01 that is, if your username/password work 19:28:20 another thing is, if there is a .htaccess file in the dir i can't display it in the directory list of apache 19:28:39 what do you mean 19:29:01 unless you want to say you are unfaimiliar with dotfiles 19:29:06 familiar* 19:29:15 well the directory is a user dir public_html from moduserdir 19:29:27 and i display server directories and files in there 19:29:29 oh 19:30:28 tbh since we do not know much about your Apache configuration it is hard to say? 19:30:45 by default it should *not* list files if I recall right 19:31:06 it does list files by default 19:31:11 are you sure you are using apache 2.4 style directives like "require all " instead of old apache 2.2 "require valid user" 19:31:16 the directories contain no index.html 19:31:44 * wsky aic this is the .htaccess file https://paste.debian.net/1413859/ 19:32:12 if this is copy/paste word for word you have a typo in it 19:33:17 what typo? 19:33:29 Pequire vs Require 19:33:51 that would give a 503 19:34:31 ok corrected the typo 19:34:43 now i get no auth at all but the folder displays :s 19:35:04 because you already typed your username and password once 19:35:21 this is basic auth, it will NOT ask you every single time 19:35:53 restart your browser completely 19:38:48 all works now, thanks you guys <3 o/ 19:39:23 there are some examples here of require any, require all and explanations https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_authz_core.html#require 19:39:40 i still haven't learned most of it 19:49:08 aic: honestly you shouldn't be using basic auth 19:49:13 it's Bad 19:49:44 Remilia it's good enough for my purpose 19:50:10 however the folder is still not listable in the directory list 19:50:35 congrats on https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes Ugrade worked like a charm 8-) 19:50:38 is it because you do not have Options +Indexes in your .htaccess? 19:51:36 you do not provide enough information to say anything 19:52:00 without Indexes enabled it should show either 403 forbidden or 404 not found 19:56:52 Remilia can give me the exact directive? 19:57:33 wsky: I gave you the exact directive 19:57:47 Options +Indexes ? 19:57:54 yes? 19:57:55 this gives internal server error 19:58:10 [19:25:52] wsky: usually happens if your httpd.conf does not allow some of the overrides 19:58:26 :| 19:58:32 gee 19:58:54 https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/htaccess.html 19:59:06 please consider perusing this URL? 20:01:05 Remilia AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes 20:01:24 this is what /usr/local/etc/apache24/extra/httpd-userdir.conf contns 20:02:25 wsky: and what is your URL like? 20:02:41 the part after the host 20:02:42 https://vlepy.com/~wsky/Sweet/ 20:02:56 if you access the dir you'll see a pic of my butt xp 20:03:06 I will not access it 20:03:45 and are you sure you uncommented #Include etc/apache24/extra/httpd-userdir.conf in httpd.conf? 20:03:51 wsky: have you paste bined your httpd.conf? 20:04:01 wsky: you need to enable soe modules to get htpasswd working 20:04:05 Remilia yes 20:04:23 then you have conflicts somewhere 20:04:23 cpet at this point htpasswd is working 20:04:32 the dir is just not listed on the directory list 20:04:53 looks like a perms issue 20:05:16 I'm also still unsure if it was a 404 or 403 when trying without Options +Indexes 20:05:30 (though it really should not throw a 500 if AllowOverride is set correctly) 20:05:34 Remiliait's not neither 404 nor 403 20:05:45 before adding Options> 20:05:47 ? 20:06:11 you never provide enough information, I can only guess 20:06:49 before adding options 20:06:58 polease do tell what information you need 20:07:23 what was the error when you tried to list files before adding Options +Indexes? 20:07:54 right now i get no errors 20:09:12 crikey... 20:09:18 what's in the logs wsky 20:09:22 well what do you get then? 20:09:51 idk how apache does logging but I imagine it does log errors and why they happened 20:10:11 i get internal server error if i add the Options +Indexes directive 20:10:27 what do you get when you don't?? 20:10:46 what does the page look like when you access it without adding Options +Indexes? what does it say there? 20:10:47 the list of the files in the directory 20:10:48 wsky: error.log should show why its giving you a 500 20:10:57 then what is wrong 20:11:03 you wanted the list 20:11:08 but the dir isn't being listed on the directory list 20:11:16 what dir? 20:11:25 does the dir have a dot in it ? 20:11:29 the dir that is supposed to have auth 20:11:37 cpet no 20:11:38 [19:28:39] what do you mean 20:11:38 [19:29:01] unless you want to say you are unfaimiliar with dotfiles 20:11:44 the dir will only show after you properly authed 20:11:55 anything that matches .ht* will be hidden 20:12:05 it's in the default Apache configuration 20:12:06 cpet that is what is happening 20:12:36 Apache will also not show anything starting with . in the directory index except . and .. 20:12:41 but this is basic stuff 20:12:45 you already know that 20:12:53 yes i am aware of the dot files 20:13:09 theseare unix basics :p 20:13:15 i'm not new 20:13:58 if you can't get apache to proeprly work with htpasswd 20:14:08 i can get the fact thatis not true 20:14:15 but that does not matter now does it 20:14:20 i never set htpasswd before 20:14:24 right now all is working 20:14:35 but the dir will get only listed if the auth was performed 20:14:42 give me access and a coffee gift card and ill fix it for you 20:14:43 heh 20:14:49 it is working 20:14:59 then what is the problem 20:15:10 nothing, yоу гуыс челпед ме 20:15:21 ит ис йуст тчат и'д лике тче дир беинг висибле бефоре аутч 20:15:27 nothiung you guys helped me 20:15:35 wow that's some wild transliteration 20:15:40 but i'sd like to have the dir visible before the auth is performed 20:15:50 sorry i switched to cyrylic by accident :p 20:16:11 I've never seen someone use the яверты layout 20:16:12 he was curising at us and then realized he was speaking russian 20:16:27 :D 20:16:38 see what he said 20:16:39 it's my third language, i know it very little 20:16:47 cpet: no it's transliterated 'it is just that I'd like the dir being visible before auth' 20:16:54 i know cyrylic and some basic russian 20:17:00 Remilia yup 20:17:04 just very weirdly 20:17:09 It's just that I'd like the deer to be visible before it gets hurt. 20:17:11 hah ok 20:17:46 anyways, it is what it is now 20:18:03 cpet: for comparison typically if someone accidentally switched layouts you'd see this instead: ше шы огые ерфе Ш?в дшлу еру вшк ещ иу мшышиду иуащку фгер 20:18:04 :D 20:18:17 which makes no sense 20:18:41 she shi ogye erfe Sh?v dshlu eru vshk esh iu mshishidu iuashku fger 20:18:51 let me show you the sound of my people 20:19:00 yeah that's the йцукенг layout 20:19:35 jcukeng 20:20:01 MelMalik: as a fun fact, JCUKENG is the Latin layout of the old Soviet computers 20:20:11 i believe i have a аоеуидхтнс layout (cyrillic mnemonic dvorak) 20:20:43 http://ibnteo.klava.org/keyboard/jcuken.png 20:20:55 something like this 20:21:00 though this one is altered 20:21:07 its altered 20:23:43 Remilia: I was leanring russian using some mobile app, should of taken it in college 20:23:47 Remilia: but I did not 20:24:07 i actually cared about my russian lessons in school xP 20:24:11 I'm a translator ha ha 20:24:13 i fauled anyway :D 20:24:19 failed 20:24:26 studied Russian in the university as my major 20:24:47 wsky: get back to your apache config 20:24:59 it was a mistake, no one really needs (or needed) translations from Russian outside government jobs 20:25:13 i enjoy talking in russian 20:25:21 but i know it only on basic level 20:25:38 at least i can read russian yt comments :P 20:26:38 the tecjhers hated me, i don't think you should fail a student that cares 20:26:52 teachers dont like smart students 20:27:15 languages are very language 20:27:46 language are very languages 20:27:49 works both ways 20:28:18 if not private teaching i'd not know english neither xP 20:30:50 i have no diplomas for nothing :D 20:31:14 and lately someone taken me for a phd in philophy :DD 20:31:22 i never told i have phd in philosophy 20:31:32 then they got realy mad when it turned out i have no phd 20:31:44 you lied 20:31:48 wtf man 20:31:55 i never said i have a phd :D 20:32:03 and they were sure i do :D 20:32:09 see lies again 20:32:09 wtf 20:32:37 https://wskyx.github.io/ 20:32:43 tell me where it says i have a phd 20:33:43 gib me bitcoin and ill tell you 20:34:03 :D 20:34:19 gib me $$ and i'll write you a poem :D 20:35:16 create pull request with "I have a PHD in philosophy" 20:35:19 see what I did there ? 20:35:21 :DD 20:35:33 :P 20:37:26 wsky: done :D 20:37:35 you bastard :D 20:37:39 baha! 20:47:47 wsky: It says right there on your about page, see screenshot: https://ctrlv.link/shots/2025/12/13/WMuv.png 20:48:07 :DDDDDD 20:48:29 yes i know how to edit loaded html code too 20:48:41 show me your hope page, it will say you have a small pee pee 20:48:45 i like my pull request better 20:48:52 I bet you learned that in the PhD program 20:48:58 XDDDD 20:50:58 :( 20:51:09 Besides, my homepage already says that, so it proves nothing 20:51:17 :D 20:51:32 it provies that we can verify 20:51:42 that what was previously said is true 20:51:44 that is all 20:54:25 has a Phd in philosophy get confused by apache 20:54:27 heh 20:54:35 >:( 20:55:33 i have not used apache is a while 20:57:21 i never used nginx 20:57:24 always apache 20:57:27 i'm fine with it 20:57:59 nginx syntax irritates the living hell out of me 21:00:16 i never used it so really have no feeling torwards it :P 21:01:02 i do like Caddy 21:01:06 the concept is nice 21:01:25