could test that network is working by using fetch

mjp: is allow.raw_sockets=1 inherently different than just noting allow.raw_sockets?

specialbomb: ya know reading man jail.conf will tell you

heres the paste btw pastebin.com/LF2uVK8M

ok man jail

you know all that networking stuff can be setup in the rc.conf of the jail right ?

allow.raw_sockets; in your config doesnt have a paramater so isnt actually doing anything?

"these boolean parameters are off default"

hmm, I just find that interesting. my other jails on my box (which is working), I simply set declare it and it works. ill give it a shot, maybe im losing it

one of us is :D

cpet: some of it operates on the host itself so I try to declare it in a single place rather than spread it around in multiple files. if this is ineffectual I will stop doing it.

$id = "2";

$ip = "10.2.0.${id}/32";

whats the point in that ?

cpet: the id macro there is also used for the epairs, easy just to stick it in a single reference

not the way I would do it but it works I guess

how would you do it?

also you have no code to remove those routes and epairs when the VM is shut down

cpet: destroying the interface does that. I could be more pedantic but it works fine

anyway, specifically defining allow.raw_sockets = 1 did not make a difference unfortunately

kind of curious

above you have exec.start+= "/sbin/route add ${gateway} -interface ${epair}b";

yet the routing table says

10.2.0.2 link#7 UHS epair2a

which routing table are you looking at

host

if you are adding two routes they should show up

exec.prestart+= "/sbin/route add -host ${ip} -interface ${epair}a";

cpet: there is one route getting added to the host, I'm not sure I understand

does the other machine share the same os version ?

the epair interface gets created, and then a static route gets created for the jail IP

yes, same version. 14.3-p5

vnet.interface = ${epair}b;

ok just saw that heh

whats up with that? seems normal.

what really seems to be killing me is that packet forwarding seems to not be working, but it definitely should be because of gateway_enable=YES on the host

no firewall enabled, thats for sure. its even more bizzare the jail cant traceroute 127.0.0.1

that makes more sense to me when you goto the vnet section

cpet: are you referring to using bridges?

specialbomb: yeap

I avoid bridges for a few reasons, static routes give me more control. when I add pf on top of my vnet jails it also makes things a lot more straightforward imo. I should note, this does work, I just dont know why its not working on this machine specifically. im starting to think I forgot a configuration somewhere. I did notice I forgot to set devfs_ruleset so that could possible be it

it was not devfs_ruleset :(

oz1tmm: Removing like that is a top level operation. The remaining vdev needs sufficient space. The removed vdev is evacuated first. Very nifty tool if you need to do it.\

Is there a zfs-for-dummies guide out there? Reading this chat makes me feel like I know nothing

difficult

How did I forget the handbook

Thank you

ketas: hah

ketas: google is hard for some man

I literally have the handbook bookmarked

I just didn't look

Its my fault

fail

i have used various sources

oracle zfs manual exists too

but it might not be that good anymore

good ketas

ketas: oracle zfs manual is a hit or miss

irc lurking since before it was cool | freebsd-foundation.myshopify.com

doh

isn't shopify funding coupism in Canada

guys never controlC during a pkg install even extremely early in the downlaod phase, i did so accidentally and damaged my lightdm installation

blimey

wtf do you think this is, apt-get?!

cpet: hahah, well i had a few 404 when i was trying to figure out my zfs set options, earlier today.. so it hit home.

I should make a freebsd sticker to put on my computer

there you go

I should run into the forest and make dragon noises

cpet: if you can believe it, it was dns

got it sorted out though, very silly shit haha

specialbomb: guess we should of mentioned does pinging the ip work

specialbomb: reading up having those options without the =1 is valid

LxGHTNxNG: hah

i remeber getting those sticker sets when ordering the CD/DVD

cpet: it was mostly an oversight. I had set nameservers to my router, since it has a DNS cache on it. of course, the router didnt have a route back to my jail, so dns results wouldnt come back. that caused stuff like traceroute to indefinitely hang. I copied over my hosts resolv.conf without thinking about it.

I should have known!

go sit in a corner and think about what youve done

I did, trust me. I feel very stupid right now

why?

because I thought about it in the process of debugging, and actively dismissed it because I thought it wouldn't REALLY be the cause.

DNS is always a factor in debugging internet issues

pining the ip vs domain

hah doing the fetch test probably would of fixed your issue hours ago

as it wouldn't resolve

;)

thats whats really interesting. traceroute or ping would both ping on the actual addresses, but I've seen that behavior before

*hang

its fixed now go buy a pizza and have a beer if old enough

indeed. maybe I will have a beer, I got some in the fridge

oh nice, isc-dhcp-server has been obsoleted by something called kea. "features like failover and lease reservation hooks require a support subscription from ISC"

is it too late to start a new life as turnips farmer

i don't think so

but you will encounter stuff like this also in that profession

ISC proudly advertises itself as a non-profit organisation

So does OpenAI :P

well they certainly aren't making any profit so it's technically very true

hehe

after updating a few days back, I've noticed that audio seems way louder, at least from firefox, like sometimes to the point where it clips and distorts. has anyone else run into this?

on stable/14-n272862-f363f4a8fa8b with firefox at 145.0_2,2 currently

while listening to music on my headphones, having the mixer's vol at like 85% is as loud or louder than 95% used to be

it seems it might be a Firefox thing. turning vol down to even 50% and compensating by cranking up my speaker still has clipping audio. I'd test out this youtube video with mpv instead, see if it happens there, but unfortunately this issue with GPU hangs remains unaddressed

I thought FF, even on FreeBSD, relied on pulseaudio, and my first thought was that the application volume got messed up there, but pavucontrol shows no playback streams

well that's great. I looked at about:support to ensure that it was indeed using pulse (it is), but that same section of the about:support page clued me in to the fact that hardware video decoding broke at some point

seems like maybe pavucontrol (and pactl) are failing to show anything firefox related is because these commands appear to spawn new pulse servers

unless these are just child processes

I'm seeing mentions of being able to use OSS instead of pulse, with the about:config flag media.cubeb.backend, but that doesn't seem to be an option anymore? for whatever google's AI is worth, it's saying it's been removed in recent FF versions because it's not needed anymore, FF has gotten better at choosing the correct backend

I'm not spawning pulseaudio though, FF is doing that, it's not even giving OSS a chance. is there any way I can force OSS still without building the package from source?

apparently media.cubeb.backend is still respected if it's set

and so far it doesn't sound like the audio is blown out anymore. I wouldn't mind using pulse still, if anyone could help me figure out why I'm not seeing any application volume sliders or seeing firefox as a client with pactl list clients

I think I figured it out, I'm running FF as a separate user here

cpet: re: stickers, nice

they don't sell them anymore

i got sheet too

only bumper stickers left

Koston: ... really? opnsense has isc still and that's what i use.

it would kind of suck to have to move everything over

although my use case is quite simple

isc.org/dhcp <- well.. how about that

ketas: ah ok

i bet someone has vector files

hey... I have done a maiden install of freebsd with minimal (only base) and it is all OK. I would like to know if there is a way to install all software, as I were selected 'everything' from mainden install?

cybercrypto, Because some pkgs conflict with other pkgs it is by design impossible to install all of it. You must make choices and pick what you want.

rwp: Sorry, my question is confusing. I dont want to install all software available. I want to install 'all software' as if I selected all check-boxes during mainden install.

rwp: which I did not. I selected only "base system" during my install.

rwp: If you're on 14.3/amd64 all of the .txz packages are here download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/14.3-RELEASE and you can install them with `tar -C / -xvf src.txz`

rwp: you'll also want to update your /etc/freebsd-update.conf to include the new components - there is a Components line near the top of the file

rwp: I _think_ the syntax would be `Components src world kernel` for everything

err sorry meant to tag cybercrypto above -^

(new irc client)

nprice: Yes, I am running 14.3 p4 I think.

freebsd-version

should be at p5

if you updated on the recent netinet issue

cpet: thanks. The focus is not to find the version, My question is related to packages, as you can see above. And yes, I am running 14.3 p4.

define all pkg's

as people who dont use pkgbase pkg's are ports and there is about 38000 of them

and no you can't install all 38000 of them

cpet: if you just joined, I can repeat my question. if not, you will see my question with example above.

pkg search FreeBSD-\*

and pick what you want ?

what

Isn’t there just a way to start up the FreeBSD installer and select all the boxes?

yeah but that doesnt seem to work when I tried it

cpet: package named like "FreeBSD-*" kind of meta packages?

installer script exists

no it's a shell glob match

So you’re just looking for meta packages.

minimal is a meta package and I think the only one

you could try bsdinstall and just goto pkg selection

but if you dont knoe what your doing you could reinstall ontop of your install

but if you freshly installed

i would just reinstall with all the stuff enabled

I don’t think installing packages affects base.

From the fbsd installer. Things like kde has a meta package afaik.

Which would install anything and everything kde

it doesnt but you still go through the normal setup

but pkg install FreeBSD-\*

would install everything

Oh. I figured if you canceled it would take you to the menu and there would be an option to install packages. Probably easier to just use pkg

however a lot of stuff you wouldn't need and can be installed as you use the system and realize oh i need wpa

i still wonder why we have 3 firewalls

and one that hasnt seen any dev work since 2006

ok 2012

cpet: from bsdinstall I can see the menu and select all. how do you stop install and to direct to install pkg option only?

cpet: for me, it continues with disk selection + formating.

if you dont know how to proeprly use bsdinstall after you installed it

i would suggest you just reinstall the OS

you probably want bsdinstall distfetch

bsdconfig seems to want to look for a non existant repo

SQLITE_REPO="/var/db/pkg/repo-FreeBSD.sqlite"

seems to have been rewritten

my bad hah

cpet: distfetch only works before chroot is unmounted, after that - is gone.

cpet: I could simply resintall selecting all items (potentially the easiest way) but what's the fun on that?

any reason why a pkg install FreeBSD-\* doesn't work?

or doing a pkg search and installing what you need ? a lot of stuff average joe doesn't even need

cpet: that would install kde/gnome etc... rigth? I dont care about that.

one of the reaosn why I wanted to try pkgbase is so I could make small jails instead of fat jails

cybercrypto: no that woudl install eveyr packages in pkgbase

kde isnt even included in the DVD any more

now if you did pkg install kde-\*

it would but

most programs for KDE have a k infront so it wouldn't really install all programs

but for what you want you could install FreeBSD-\* and install the whole freebsd pkgbase currently about 398 packages

theres even a fail safe as it will not install if you dont press y

you could try the conversion script as well