00:00:16 <cpet> could test that network is working by using fetch
00:01:39 <specialbomb> mjp: is allow.raw_sockets=1 inherently different than just noting allow.raw_sockets?
00:02:10 <cpet> specialbomb: ya know reading man jail.conf will tell you
00:02:13 <specialbomb> heres the paste btw https://pastebin.com/LF2uVK8M
00:02:44 <cpet> ok man jail
00:04:09 <cpet> you know all that networking stuff can be setup in the rc.conf of the jail right ?
00:04:22 <mjp> allow.raw_sockets; in your config doesnt have a paramater so isnt actually doing anything?
00:04:28 <mjp> "these boolean parameters are off default"
00:05:09 <specialbomb> hmm, I just find that interesting. my other jails on my box (which is working), I simply set declare it and it works. ill give it a shot, maybe im losing it
00:05:42 <mjp> one of us is :D
00:06:13 <specialbomb> cpet: some of it operates on the host itself so I try to declare it in a single place rather than spread it around in multiple files. if this is ineffectual I will stop doing it.
00:06:38 <cpet>     $id = "2";
00:06:40 <cpet>     $ip = "10.2.0.${id}/32";
00:06:45 <cpet> whats the point in that ?
00:08:35 <specialbomb> cpet: the id macro there is also used for the epairs, easy just to stick it in a single reference
00:09:06 <cpet> not the way I would do it but it works I guess
00:09:15 <specialbomb> how would you do it?
00:10:55 <cpet> also you have no code to remove those routes and epairs when the VM is shut down
00:12:54 <specialbomb> cpet: destroying the interface does that. I could be more pedantic but it works fine
00:13:35 <specialbomb> anyway, specifically defining allow.raw_sockets = 1 did not make a difference unfortunately
00:14:37 <cpet> kind of curious
00:14:56 <cpet> above you have exec.start+= "/sbin/route add ${gateway} -interface ${epair}b";
00:15:02 <cpet> yet the routing table says
00:15:15 <cpet> 10.2.0.2           link#7             UHS         epair2a
00:15:30 <specialbomb> which routing table are you looking at
00:16:13 <cpet> host
00:17:01 <cpet> if you are adding two routes they should show up
00:17:12 <cpet> exec.prestart+= "/sbin/route add -host ${ip} -interface ${epair}a";
00:19:14 <specialbomb> cpet: there is one route getting added to the host, I'm not sure I understand
00:19:58 <cpet> does the other machine share the same os version ?
00:20:06 <specialbomb> the epair interface gets created, and then a static route gets created for the jail IP
00:20:51 <specialbomb> yes, same version. 14.3-p5
00:21:27 <cpet> vnet.interface = ${epair}b;
00:21:37 <cpet> ok just saw that heh
00:26:53 <specialbomb> whats up with that? seems normal.
00:31:00 <specialbomb> what really seems to be killing me is that packet forwarding seems to not be working, but it definitely should be because of gateway_enable=YES on the host
00:32:09 <specialbomb> no firewall enabled, thats for sure. its even more bizzare the jail cant traceroute 127.0.0.1
00:45:42 <cpet> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/jails/
00:45:54 <cpet> that makes more sense to me when you goto the vnet section
00:59:40 <specialbomb> cpet: are you referring to using bridges?
01:01:52 <cpet> specialbomb: yeap
01:05:02 <specialbomb> I avoid bridges for a few reasons, static routes give me more control. when I add pf on top of my vnet jails it also makes things a lot more straightforward imo. I should note, this does work, I just dont know why its not working on this machine specifically. im starting to think I forgot a configuration somewhere. I did notice I forgot to set devfs_ruleset so that could possible be it
01:06:44 <specialbomb> it was not devfs_ruleset :(
01:08:18 <dvl> oz1tmm: Removing like that is a top level operation. The remaining vdev needs sufficient space. The removed vdev is evacuated first. Very nifty tool if you need to do it.\
01:18:28 <JetpackJackson> Is there a zfs-for-dummies guide out there? Reading this chat makes me feel like I know nothing
01:18:53 <ketas> difficult
01:19:56 <ketas> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/
01:21:42 * JetpackJackson facepalms
01:21:53 <JetpackJackson> How did I forget the handbook
01:21:59 <JetpackJackson> Thank you
01:28:15 <cpet> ketas: hah
01:28:23 <cpet> ketas: google is hard for some man
01:29:04 <JetpackJackson> I literally have the handbook bookmarked
01:29:08 <JetpackJackson> I just didn't look
01:29:13 <JetpackJackson> Its my fault
01:29:14 <cpet> fail
01:31:58 <ketas> i have used various sources
01:32:20 <ketas> oracle zfs manual exists too
01:32:33 <ketas> but it might not be that good anymore
01:33:05 <cpet> good ketas
02:51:58 <voy4g3r2> ketas: oracle zfs manual is a hit or miss
02:54:41 <cpet> https://www.oracle.com/technical-resources/articles/solaris11/s11-intro-zfs.html
02:58:14 <trench> irc lurking since before it was cool | https://freebsd-foundation.myshopify.com/
02:58:17 <trench> doh
02:58:29 <trench> https://www.youtube.com/@FreeBSDProject
03:03:51 <LxGHTNxNG> isn't shopify funding coupism in Canada
03:07:21 <ddadestroija> guys never controlC during a pkg install even extremely early in the downlaod phase, i did so accidentally and damaged my lightdm installation
03:10:37 <LxGHTNxNG> blimey
03:11:13 <hodapp> wtf do you think this is, apt-get?!
03:21:33 <voy4g3r2> cpet: hahah, well i had a few 404 when i was trying to figure out my zfs set options, earlier today.. so it hit home.
03:42:24 <JetpackJackson> I should make a freebsd sticker to put on my computer
03:43:26 <rtprio> there you go
03:44:23 <LxGHTNxNG> I should run into the forest and make dragon noises
04:26:02 <specialbomb> cpet: if you can believe it, it was dns
04:26:35 <specialbomb> got it sorted out though, very silly shit haha
04:43:06 <cpet> specialbomb: guess we should of mentioned does pinging the ip work
04:43:38 <cpet> specialbomb: reading up having those options without the =1 is valid
04:46:27 <cpet> LxGHTNxNG: hah
04:47:53 <cpet> https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/1lnnay6/look_what_i_found_stickers_from_way_back_in_the/
04:48:06 <cpet> i remeber getting those sticker sets when ordering the CD/DVD
04:50:39 <specialbomb> cpet: it was mostly an oversight. I had set nameservers to my router, since it has a DNS cache on it. of course, the router didnt have a route back to my jail, so dns results wouldnt come back. that caused stuff like traceroute to indefinitely hang. I copied over my hosts resolv.conf without thinking about it.
04:51:02 <specialbomb> I should have known!
04:51:17 <cpet> go sit in a corner and think about what youve done
04:51:26 <specialbomb> I did, trust me. I feel very stupid right now
04:51:36 <cpet> why?
04:52:17 <specialbomb> because I thought about it in the process of debugging, and actively dismissed it because I thought it wouldn't REALLY be the cause.
04:53:01 <cpet> DNS is always a factor in debugging internet issues
04:53:11 <cpet> pining the ip vs domain
04:53:34 <cpet> hah doing the fetch test probably would of fixed your issue hours ago
04:53:37 <cpet> as it wouldn't resolve
04:53:39 <cpet> ;)
04:54:14 <specialbomb> thats whats really interesting. traceroute or ping would both ping on the actual addresses, but I've seen that behavior before
04:54:19 <specialbomb> *hang
04:55:01 <cpet> its fixed now go buy a pizza and have a beer if old enough
04:55:23 <specialbomb> indeed. maybe I will have a beer, I got some in the fridge
07:30:31 <Koston> oh nice, isc-dhcp-server has been obsoleted by something called kea. "features like failover and lease reservation hooks require a support subscription from ISC"
07:31:00 <Koston> is it too late to start a new life as turnips farmer
07:41:31 <LxGHTNxNG> i don't think so
07:41:38 <LxGHTNxNG> but you will encounter stuff like this also in that profession
07:43:46 <Koston> ISC proudly advertises itself as a non-profit organisation
07:45:20 <o0x1eef> So does OpenAI :P
07:45:46 <Koston> well they certainly aren't making any profit so it's technically very true
07:46:51 <o0x1eef> hehe
08:18:48 <tm512> after updating a few days back, I've noticed that audio seems way louder, at least from firefox, like sometimes to the point where it clips and distorts. has anyone else run into this?
08:19:25 <tm512> on stable/14-n272862-f363f4a8fa8b with firefox at 145.0_2,2 currently
08:20:45 <tm512> while listening to music on my headphones, having the mixer's vol at like 85% is as loud or louder than 95% used to be
08:25:32 <tm512> it seems it might be a Firefox thing. turning vol down to even 50% and compensating by cranking up my speaker still has clipping audio. I'd test out this youtube video with mpv instead, see if it happens there, but unfortunately this issue with GPU hangs remains unaddressed
08:30:40 <tm512> I thought FF, even on FreeBSD, relied on pulseaudio, and my first thought was that the application volume got messed up there, but pavucontrol shows no playback streams
08:33:08 <tm512> well that's great. I looked at about:support to ensure that it was indeed using pulse (it is), but that same section of the about:support page clued me in to the fact that hardware video decoding broke at some point
08:58:28 <tm512> seems like maybe pavucontrol (and pactl) are failing to show anything firefox related is because these commands appear to spawn new pulse servers
09:01:25 <tm512> unless these are just child processes
09:18:59 <tm512> I'm seeing mentions of being able to use OSS instead of pulse, with the about:config flag media.cubeb.backend, but that doesn't seem to be an option anymore? for whatever google's AI is worth, it's saying it's been removed in recent FF versions because it's not needed anymore, FF has gotten better at choosing the correct backend
09:21:08 <tm512> I'm not spawning pulseaudio though, FF is doing that, it's not even giving OSS a chance. is there any way I can force OSS still without building the package from source?
09:24:56 <tm512> apparently media.cubeb.backend is still respected if it's set
09:28:05 <tm512> and so far it doesn't sound like the audio is blown out anymore. I wouldn't mind using pulse still, if anyone could help me figure out why I'm not seeing any application volume sliders or seeing firefox as a client with pactl list clients
09:59:42 <tm512> I think I figured it out, I'm running FF as a separate user here
12:11:06 <JetpackJackson> cpet: re: stickers, nice
12:14:49 <ketas> they don't sell them anymore
12:14:56 <ketas> i got sheet too
12:15:06 <ketas> only bumper stickers left
12:18:53 <Macer> Koston: ... really? opnsense has isc still and that's what i use.
12:19:00 <Macer> it would kind of suck to have to move everything over
12:19:28 <Macer> although my use case is quite simple
12:20:18 <Macer> https://www.isc.org/dhcp/ <- well.. how about that
12:39:55 <JetpackJackson> ketas: ah ok
12:48:25 <ketas> i bet someone has vector files
14:29:50 <cybercrypto> hey... I have done a maiden install of freebsd with minimal (only base) and it is all OK.    I would like to know if there is a way to install all software, as I were selected 'everything' from mainden install?
16:16:39 <rwp> cybercrypto, Because some pkgs conflict with other pkgs it is by design impossible to install all of it.  You must make choices and pick what you want.
17:09:19 <cybercrypto> rwp: Sorry, my question is confusing.    I dont want to install all software available.    I want to install 'all software' as if I selected all check-boxes during mainden install.
17:10:15 <cybercrypto> rwp: which I did not. I selected only "base system" during my install.
17:42:30 <nprice> rwp: If you're on 14.3/amd64 all of the .txz packages are here https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/14.3-RELEASE/ and you can install them with `tar -C / -xvf src.txz`
17:43:21 <nprice> rwp: you'll also want to update your /etc/freebsd-update.conf to include the new components - there is a Components line near the top of the file
17:46:08 <nprice> rwp: I _think_ the syntax would be `Components src world kernel` for everything
17:46:44 <nprice> err sorry meant to tag cybercrypto above -^
17:47:46 <nprice> (new irc client)
19:38:05 <cybercrypto> nprice: Yes, I am running 14.3 p4 I think.
19:38:21 <cpet> freebsd-version
19:41:46 <cpet> should be at p5
19:41:59 <cpet> if you updated on the recent netinet issue
19:43:04 <cybercrypto> cpet: thanks. The focus is not to find the version, My question is related to packages, as you can see above.   And yes, I am running 14.3 p4.
19:43:52 <cpet> define all pkg's
19:44:07 <cpet> as people who dont use pkgbase pkg's are ports and there is about 38000 of them
19:44:14 <cpet> and no you can't install all 38000 of them
19:45:02 <cybercrypto> cpet: if you just joined, I can repeat my question. if not, you will see my question with example above.
19:48:25 <cpet> pkg search FreeBSD-\*
19:48:32 <cpet> and pick what you want ?
19:49:04 <ketas> what
19:49:06 <Macer> Isn’t there just a way to start up the FreeBSD installer and select all the boxes?
19:49:24 <cpet> yeah but that doesnt seem to work when I tried it
19:49:27 <cybercrypto> cpet: package named like "FreeBSD-*" kind of meta packages?
19:49:35 <ketas> installer script exists
19:49:58 <ketas> no it's a shell glob match
19:50:09 <Macer> So you’re just looking for meta packages.
19:50:37 <cpet> minimal is a meta package and I think the only one
19:51:13 <cpet> you could try bsdinstall and just goto pkg selection
19:51:29 <cpet> but if you dont knoe what your doing you could reinstall ontop of your install
19:52:16 <cpet> but if you freshly installed
19:52:24 <cpet> i would just reinstall with all the stuff enabled
19:52:26 <Macer> I don’t think installing packages affects base.
19:52:48 <Macer> From the fbsd installer. Things like kde has a meta package afaik.
19:52:58 <Macer> Which would install anything and everything kde
19:53:00 <cpet> it doesnt but you still go through the normal setup
19:53:40 <cpet> but pkg install FreeBSD-\*
19:53:45 <cpet> would install everything
19:53:47 <Macer> Oh. I figured if you canceled it would take you to the menu and there would be an option to install packages. Probably easier to just use pkg
19:54:57 <cpet> however a lot of stuff you wouldn't need and can be installed as you use the system and realize oh i need wpa
19:55:15 <cpet> i still wonder why we have 3 firewalls
19:55:23 <cpet> and one that hasnt seen any dev work since 2006
19:55:56 <cpet> ok 2012
20:01:54 <cybercrypto> cpet: from bsdinstall I can see the menu and select all. how do you stop install and to direct to install pkg option only?
20:02:20 <cybercrypto> cpet: for me, it continues with disk selection + formating.
20:04:58 <cpet> if you dont know how to proeprly use bsdinstall after you installed it
20:05:04 <cpet> i would suggest you just reinstall the OS
20:06:16 <cpet> you probably want bsdinstall distfetch
20:08:42 <cpet> bsdconfig seems to want to look for a non existant repo
20:08:53 <cpet> SQLITE_REPO="/var/db/pkg/repo-FreeBSD.sqlite"
20:30:45 <cpet> seems to have been rewritten
20:30:53 <cpet> my bad hah
20:41:39 <cybercrypto> cpet: distfetch only works before chroot is unmounted, after that - is gone.
20:43:21 <cybercrypto> cpet: I could simply resintall selecting all items (potentially the easiest way) but what's the fun on that?
20:45:37 <cpet> any reason why a pkg install FreeBSD-\* doesn't work?
20:46:33 <cpet> or doing a pkg search and installing what you need ? a lot of stuff average joe doesn't even need
20:46:34 <cybercrypto> cpet: that would install kde/gnome etc... rigth? I dont care about that.
20:46:50 <cpet> one of the reaosn why I wanted to try pkgbase is so I could make small jails instead of fat jails
20:47:04 <cpet> cybercrypto: no that woudl install eveyr packages in pkgbase
20:47:38 <cpet> kde isnt even included in the DVD any more
20:48:21 <cpet> now if you did pkg install kde-\*
20:48:25 <cpet> it would but
20:48:41 <cpet> most programs for KDE have a k infront so it wouldn't really install all programs
20:49:12 <cpet> but for what you want you could install FreeBSD-\* and install the whole freebsd pkgbase currently about 398 packages
20:51:20 <cpet> theres even a fail safe as it will not install if you dont press y
20:52:47 <cpet> you could try the conversion script as well
20:53:04 <cpet> https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify