is there a man page for the /var/log/messages file?

kerneldove_: what are you hoping to find in said man page?

not sure

in /var/log/messages config, "*.notice;authpriv.none;kern.debug;lpr.info;mail.crit;news.err" will that include /var/log/security content? (security.*)

kerneldove_: well, without any additional info from you, i can only suggest looking at the syslog(3) manpage

i'm guessing not but wanna confirm

and syslog.conf(5)

for the above, it would only include security.notice. nothing else from security.*

security.notice and more severe, right?

nope

*.notice is what would be matched

oh

what are you trying to do?

gimmie somethin' to work with here

:)

zi: wait, really?

was curious if tailing /var/log/messages was enough to stay abreast of security issues reported to the system

"kern.notice" would be kern.notice and anything higher, "*.notice" only matches notice exactly?

since /var/log/messages is kinda the main funnel of all important system logging

kerneldove_: might start out by enabling all.log in /etc/syslogd.conf and then figuring out what you like and go from there

ivy: nah, i misspoke. =notice would be required to match exact

I'm trying to decide if it's worth blowing away my experimentation BSD machine and putting 15-BETA on it as I turn it into a NAS

it's not too far off normal 14-RELEASE really, just a couple tweaks so it knows how to power off properly and my shell is brightly coloured

zip: what did you fix with poweroff? is that an OS bug we should fix?

hang on let me check

I have to WOL that sucker and wait for it to boot

hw.efi.poweroff=0

hey is there a way to replace jpeg-turbo with mozjpeg without removing and reinstalling 278 packages?

according to the comment, this is because it'll reboot instead of powering off

ivy: did you see my PM?

black2: yes, but unless this issue is private somehow, it's probably better to ask in the channel. otherwise just ask the question, don't ask to ask :-)

zip: ah okay, i guess that's some hw/fw-specific issue

ivy: okay I will deal with it very soon

ivy: okay but I strongly recommend doing that in PM as I have told plenty of people about my idea but they don't seem to understand what I am saying.

are you sure you want to do it here?

black2: i... have no idea? tbh if no one understands your idea, you might try describing it differently, but if you really want to PM that's fine

okay then let's do PM. I hope you understand.

Just wondering, is it possible to do CUDA programming on FreeBSD natively, or does that require Linuxulator?

it requires linuxulator

"Nvidia, fuck you!" ~ Linus Torvalds

is there a syntax checker for the kernel config file? i cannot get around syntax error for a config change. i do not know where is the issue. it has no obvious syntax errors

config: /home/oleh/kernel/CHAKLUNCHIK:416: syntax error

i see no errors on line 416

angry_vincent: which line is 416?

device hwpmc

the last line of config

angry_vincent: you're missing a newline at the end of the file. config(8) should probably produce a better error there

thx. this fixed. though it looks really weird to me why would it ever need a new line

it is standard for all lines in a text file to end with a newline. most editors do this by default, although some do not

well, then emacs does not do it by default

there is apparently an option for this: gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Customize-Save.html

i added this. thx

May times software will consider a file to be corrupt if it doesn't end with a newline.

Many times

such is life with lex/yacc

now i know. but, indeed, message could be more helpful instead of syntax error

i put that issue on my todo list, unless anyone else gets around to it first

OS/2 v2.5 (I think.) has this MS-CardFile alike program. . .

can it be solved

ivy: thx

It had bugs where it would sometimes neglect that trailing newline, and getermine the file was corrrupt the next time you tried to open it.

Was a bloody pain.

On the pedantic level a text file is defined as a file of lines terminated by newlines. If a file contains a line NOT terminated by a newline such as at the end of file then it is not a text file but a binary file.

That's why sometimes we see config files with a "# Do not remove this comment." line at the end of the file. Because then if /that/ line is missing a newline it was in a comment and probably ignored without any errors being introduced. Those annoy me though because I know how to ensure that the file is a text file and ends with a newline.

In the original days the editors were ed/vi and those are line editors and impossible to save a file without a newline at the end of every line.

Emacs may be a well known Unix-land offender but Microsoft editors are now used by a lot of people working on MS-Windows and then either remotely editing or copying the file and that's where I mostly run into files not terminated by newlines now.

what.

that's... one definition of a text file I suppose

I've never really seen a formal one

posix has a formal definition that, expanded out and reading a little between the lines, is exactly that

it's a series of zero or more lines, nad a line is a sequence of zero or more non-<newline> characters plus a terminating <newline> character

pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/96999…/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_403 a text file contains characters organized into zero or more lines.

pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/96999…/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_206 a line is a sequence of zero or more non-newline characters plus a terminating newline character.

Not sur I agree with that.

printf "foo\n\nbar\n"

Is the "blank" row not a line?

CrtxReavr: the blank line is "zero or more non-newline characters plus a terminating newline character", so this does not conflict with the definition

Yeah. . . I guess I read the "zero or more" part a bit too fast.

ivy: bro I've been waiting... you wanna do it now?

black2: waiting for what? you said you would send a PM then you never did

posix notably has definitions for both a blank line and an empty line

a partial line at the end does not a binary file make, it just an incomplete line makes, practically speaking

yeah, it's just not a valid text file

so i told yasu@ on pkgbase that freebsd-update does what they want, which is true, but i think we're still updating packages that don't need to be updated for some reason

er, wrong channel

ahaa :)

cperciva: i tested .MAKEFLAGS: -W and it seems to fix this issue: le-fay.org/tmp/7d/ZkSMsCRwGh

wrong channel again, ffs

where's the right one

It left.

ketas: a secret channel for cool people

like freemasons

freebsdmasons*

yes

freebsdsons

epic5-coded

LOL

do you have decoder rings?

someone say freemasons? freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com