I'd like to see a good open source coding thing that isn't associated with Microsoft

any company that is willing to give back to the FOSS community isnt a bad company

lol

a company that went from fuck you open source to actually contributing t it

is again not a bad company

You must not follow the EEE philosophy

i mean thats how we got all the Linux emu stuff on Windows

you might not think so, but this is still in effect

SponiX: simply put

do you use github ?

for example, they just pulled their c coding extension from being used with vscodium because it doesn't have their data collecting

cpet: nope, and it was a great move for them. They have access to everyone's code to train their AI and stuff

oh so youre one of those

;

;/

SponiX: If it's free code anyway... But they haven't erased legal/copyright concerns.

how old are you?

where do you think they get all that AI knowledge from ?

Yes, Microsoft's best feature to their OS in the last Decade is having Linux run inside it. I will agree with that

i would rather use a linux terminal that power shell

They now have virtual desktops too. 20 years late

thats not an argument really heh

oh, and a package manager in the works

naw thats a thing now

I wasn't making an argument just a statement. Read the EEE and see how it applies today

you can use the package manager to install things in the shell

i just dont get all the hate of either OS

Sure it is a thing, it just has very little app support at this point

just like the other day when I said I use openbsd and was told gto and goto #..

when we all share code

freebad has many driver which were ported from openbsd

and some from netbsd

we even have the blacklistd from netbsd

so again i dont get the OS hate

our make which is bmake is from netbsd

I'm not hating on any other BSD, or Linux for that matter. And I'm not denying that Microsoft does contributed. I am just saying you need to keep their motives in perspective

any large company will use its power to do what t need to be profitable

now the greatest thing is data

and AI is going to need data

Okay, maybe a bit of Linux hate. They now employ the systemd guy, and he is bring BSOD to Linux as a "feature" lol ... That triggers my PTSD a bit

cause data is how AI evolves

its just how it is

deal with it

heh

AI is not going any where

SponiX: That's not Linux hate. systemd and Linux are distinct things. But this might be good to move to -social.

systemd is a whole different ball game of hate

Neither of you is in #freebsd-social. It's a better place for this.

I'll get more on topic

this is exactly why I hate liberachat

the whole lets get back on topic

Is there a decent IDE for C code for FreeBSD that has debugging and everything included that isn't Microsoft related?

oh lets create a #topis #for #each #topic

cpet: No, this is the whole "there's a channel for this".

ports has many

mason: and thats stupid

Topics and Rules are for organization and chaos prevention

SponiX: what are you using ?

currently using nothing. I edit text best with vim. I'm debating trying to take on some coding

which language do you like ?

been learnign rust for a while

but im stuck on some of the rustlings examples so i stopped heh

well, the project I'd like to help is most likely standard C

SponiX: I'd recommend getting a copy of... GOOD. Was going to say, snag a copy of K&R and learn C.

SponiX: kdevelop is a nice IDE

I'd like to see if I can help get Linux kernel 6.14 drm over to FreeBSD. So I can use my 9070 XT GPU with it

SponiX: Are you on EFnet?

mason: is that where I need to be?

yes

most of the devs are on efnet

SponiX: Join EFnet and look at the channel #freebsd-xorg

or look at the wiki

The wiki isn't quite the same as the people working on that stuff.

SponiX: Perl is also fun.

mason: Yeah, right after I jam a few toothpicks under my finger nails, and slide down a giant razer blade into a pool filled with alcohol -- I'll open up perl.org

thanks for the efnet guidance though

SponiX: That's an odd perspective. Perl is a lovely language.

SponiX: :)

Hating things you don't understand isn't a good look.

mason: sure, and some folks love COBOL and eating liver

true, I was under the impression that nothing good could ever be written in C# also. But Jellyfin works really well. So yeah, from time to time I am just flat out wrong. I'm okay with that

Do you use git?

Every language has its place, honestly. If a shell script won't cut it, will Perl or Python? Maybe one. If not, C? Rust? GO? Just gotta kinda build that ladder.

That's a tree, not a ladder. Different purposes.

mason: I've checked out a couple git source things before. That is about the extent of it

Obviously, the language of choice as you build that ladder is opinion and preference. But, it is a thing, regardless.

Let's just all go back to using asm. :3

mason: I'm talking about the ladder of decision. Not the branching out of choices... if that makes sense?

ek: Ladder implies linear.

lol

might be over thinking this a bit

mason: Yes. Just handling of code from one choice to the other. Decision making. Linear.

i think SponiX is over thinking this

but then again i blame ek

only thing I'm really thinking about right now is taking my medicine and locating my cannabis gummies

heh

gummy head this explains a lot

cpet: And how many beers did you and I have tonight? :)

just 2

i ran out

but I dont do weed so

That's 2 more than me. I'd better catch up!

or any derivative of it

i just drink beer and thank the .mil

No weeds for me either. Although, there are many times I wish I could.

pot heads are whack

would be intereting to see if the VA would ever consider weed as possible pain medication

Perhaps burn-outs, sure. But, the occasional or minor recreational user I have no problem with.

but since they have a strong thing towards anything addcitvie i doubt it :P

Some of the smartest people I know use that stuff. It is what it is.

i hate the way it smells

but i smoke ciagr and people say the same about cigar so bleh

cpet: my VA shrink says if it was ever legal at the Federal level he would go with that and drop most of my other medicine

Wasn't alcohol qualified as more addictive that the weed many years ago?

SponiX: VA prescrbed 4 meds, they help but ...

SponiX: PTSD tends to say f you meds

heh

ek: actually cannabis itself isn't addictive body wise like smoking and alcohol. It is a bit habit forming though, as you like the feel

ek: i dont trust what they say about anything medical

SponiX: I am 90% Disabled

If something cannabis-related works better than a pharmaceutical drug, I would prefer that for myself or anyone I know. Especially a veteran.

cpet: sounds rough

SponiX: VA is fine as long as its not anything from dermatology

that shit takes like 2 months to get an apt

ek: alcohol for me

takes the pain away

i guess it eases all the blood vessel and such

i dont know :P

SponiX: most of that is habbit

SponiX: i stopped working cause my mood swing werent keen to work, so I started smoing more so each time I take my dog to the park i smoke a few cigars

I suppose it depends on the diagnosis and whatnot. But, of course there are things alcohol will help with. Dependency would be my biggest worry.

But really, #freebsd-offtopic is *right there* for you.

nw if I was working I probably wouldnt be smoking as much

oh jesus christ

so hiawatha

No one needs to hear about your alcoholism and drug use.

how can I get that to work with owncloud ?

there on topic again

lol

SponiX: well since we have upset mason we can continue this in msg or take it to /dev/null

So, can someone name a IDE in the ports not associated with Microsoft. when I did "pkg search code" vscode is actually all that really came up

genie

kdevelop

Ecelipse

with the C plugin

FreeBSD-offtopic ironically enough told me to join FreeBSD-Social

vim with syntax highligiht and auto replace

SponiX: shits dumb it really is

maybe I'll have a look at kdevelop. I like KDE Plasma stuff anyway

its a decent IDE

and its not just for QT

hopefully mason is not upset any more

lets all join #mason_is_upset

SponiX: have you tried kdevelop ?

well folks if you do want to continue the off-topic discussion with me. I am now in #FreeBSD-social

kdevelop-25.04.1

cpet: I haven't spent much time with any code since about 1999-2001 - honestly

ben playing with the rustlings thing

got stuck after example 12

thanks for the kdevelop recommendation. It looks nice

anything KDE looks nice

however kdevelops back in the early 3.x days looked like crap

Has FreeBSD/VPC seen any development lately? I remember hearing about it back in 2018. It would be a nice to have as an alternative to having to setup VLAN's on the hardware level.

Is it the same as vxlan ?

Yeap

has anyone been able to get calibre connecting to kindle paperwhite on FreeBSD?

it installed just fine, and I did the stuff the port message suggested, but it fails to connect to my kindle. first it complained dbus wasn't there, so I started it in dbus. Now it's complaining about Udisks not being there

I'd prefer not to install a bunch of linux crap I don't need if I don't have to

Heh

I'd love to be able to just email the books to my kindle, but of course stupid fuckin kindle software, if it's online, autodetects books not downloaded from amazon and deletes them

so I gotta keep it in flight mode permanently

just get a mac ^^

megaTherion which one?

i got a m4 mba

System Information: Model: Mac • CPU: Apple M4 (10 Cores) • Memory: 24,00 GB • Uptime: 2 days • Display: 2940 x 1912 • OS: macOS Sequoia (Version 15.5, Build 24F74)

wsky: exacly

have one too

which one?

mini m4

what specs?

same as yours

I would rather stop using computers entirely than buy a mac or any other apple product, tbh

didnt get the pro version

mtll: why, it just works? :)

their laptops are too physically brittle for my clumsy ass, especially at that price

ya the laptops are expensive... thats true

display is insufficiently shielded, compared to a thinkpad for example

I bought a macbook over a decade ago, it was the first retina model I think. Literally the first time I dropped it, the display got cracked

you are not supposed to drop those things :)

slid from my lap onto the floor, so a distance of less than half a metre, and that was enough

yeah well I drop things a lot

my iPad is always doing these things but its not a very expensive model, it's still fine

sliding from couch, bed etc.

well it cost half the price of the mbp to replace the display

i have an iPad 10

and an iPhone 16e

and a mba m4

i fully enjoy the iCloud

nice, overall I think apple is really doing good products

meanwhile my thinkpad, I've had it for 7 or 8 years now, I've dropped it more times than I can could, lugged it around in a backpack, with no protective sleeve, threw it across the room in anger once. screen is still fine, all the components are fine

megaTherion same

than I could count*

and if something did break, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to fix myself, without specialised screwdrivers

Apple are getting more and more like microsoft. Mac computers give you less and less control over what you can do with them.

what control is lacking?

And Macs run more and more spyware-ish apps

Well you can't just install GDB and run it for a start

my macs are the best arm64 dev machines money can buy

paulf: is lldb sufficient? :)

(lldb) version

lldb-1600.0.39.109

Apple Swift version 6.0.3 (swiftlang-6.0.3.1.10 clang-1600.0.30.1)

r0ni: absolutly

No. I work on Valgrind and until someone (probably me) implements an lldb interface then I'm going to want to use GDB almost exclusively.

paulf: brew install gdb

I hardly doubt that it cannot be installed but Im too lazy to test right now

installing GDB isn't difficult, running it is the problem

 the Darwin kernel does not allow gdb to control another process without having special rights

well I know that they are very restrictive with drivers and older kernel interfaces, thats true

but you can always have a VM of something so... not really a problem that Mac OS cannot run every XYZ software natively

they have their toolset which works to them with clang etc. If you need something else ok, install a VM

freebsd runs excellently on vmware on macos as well, so it a non-point about apples tools

oh he left

for cli utils that take 0+ "-v" to be more verbose (like ssh, more -vvvv makes it output more detail) should there be a long option available? like --verbose?

normally there is

so the equivalent of -vv is --verbose --verbose?

yes

ok ty!

but not sure if it exacly works as promised :D long options mean writing more so Im not doing this often :)

so anyway, has anyone gotten calibre to work with kindle paperwhite on freeBSD, and how?

mtll: Last time I tried the usb communication was outdated and deprecated. I saw there has been some development since then. Which version are you using?

whichever version is in ports

I sort of got it working-ish

installed bsdisks

enable dbus, dbus-launch calibre as root, then it was able to put books on my kindle

it complained about permission when run as a normal user

I guess I'm supposed to write some polkit nonsense to fix that, but I can't be arsed

polkit, dbus, systemd etc is the sort of stuff I switched to freebsd to get away from :P

I'll try it too, just need a pkg upgrade here

vkarlsen: do you sideload a lot of books to kindle?

what's the best format to use in your experience?

mtll: I have to confess I installed Linux Mint on an old laptop and used Calibre there

the book I'm sideloading right now I could only find in PDF

mtll: I have always just copied files onto the storage manually

at least it's a good PDF, with actual text in it and markup structure etc

I usually convert to mobi, using Calibre

but kindle doesn't find any of the chapters etc when I just upload the raw pdf

huh, it just succeeded in converting to the amazon format

I could swear the last time I did this, on linux, to get that to work I had to do this whole crazy ritual involving running some kinda windows only amazon tool in wine

maybe that was another format

oh nvm, it did pick up the chapters in the pdf, wonderful

definitely getting a non-amazon e-ink reader whenever this kindle kicks the bucket

mtll: Did you add yourself to the operator group and edit devfs.rules to add usb/* as 0660 group operator?

I did yeah

weirdly enough, when I resorted to just running calibre as root, I forgot to use dbus-launch, and it still worked

I've been looking at some Kobo devices, but I can't justify the purchase while this one still works fine

yeah, same

vkarlsen: in terms of features, leaving aside shittyness caused by amazon's software etc, the only real complaint I have with my paperwhite 2 at the moment is that its charging input is micro-usb instead of USB C

Yeah, I'm being very careful not to lose the cable

but in terms of using it, it has all the features I need. sidelight, plenty of battery life, more storage than I could feasibly use up. and the display is perfectly fine

don't really care about colour or anything

it's just a distraction free device for ingesting text that doesn't tire my eyes

having limited functionality is sort of a feature, in that sense

the browser is close to useless. Good!

weird, converted to mobi and that worked alright, but the layout of the text is completely bonkers. the text like skips to a new paragraph mid sentence every 2 lines

example: <p>Previous tracing tools used static instrumentation, which adversely affects perfor-</p> <p>mance even when not enabled. Dtrace supports both static and dynamic instru-</p> <p>mentation. </p>

and so on

mtll: are you trying to convert a PDF to Mobi? unfortunately this may be unavoidable, PDF loses the semantic information required to unhyphenise text

yeah

if you can find the source text in basically any other format (epub for example) it will probably work better

the PDF is OCR'd and stuff though

I mean it is a scan of the book, but the text is selectable and everything

you could convert it to epub, edit it in calibre to fix the formatting, then convert that to mobi, although if it's a book i imagine you're trying to avoid that much work :-)

yeah it's 1100 pages...

pdf was the only thing on libgen

(I will be buying the book eventually, but I wanna dip my toe in to see if this is something I'll actually get through or not)

I mean worst case I could just read it via the pdf on kindle

only issue there was the font size was a bit small

ivy: can't find an epub version or any other non-pdf format

gonna try to reconvert it setting calibre to "remove spacing between paragraphs and hope it helps a little

maybe have a look through calibre plugins, perhaps someone already wrote something to do this

yeah I'll poke around with different conversion settings a bit

is there any shortcut to build qmmp-qt* with mp3 support without having to build all the 1million dependencies ?

hernan604: Well, there is definitely at least one, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you know what you're doing.

I suppose there's two, actually. The ladder being more safe.

right

Find the 1million dependencies and "pkg install" them. Then, build what port(s) with mp3 support with the packages now in place.

This will save time now, but it will have mixed ports and packages. So, in the future, if you don't use ports (or Poudriere or something similar) it will likely break something.

ok

i g uess that works

thanks!

Sure thing.

"it will likely break something" sound scary. I've only needed to build ports when default flags, options and links didn't fit my use case.

register The "likely break something" isn't necessarily meant to be scary. Just a word of caution that the software that did work might not work anymore.

For example, if they do a "pkg upgrade" in the future and the upgrade comes without mp3 support (as it seems it does by default.)

in theory, a better way to do this would be using "poudriere bulk -b <latest|quarterly>" although this doesn't always work well if the packages are behind the ports tree

ivy: I agree. Hence the recommendation to use Poudriere in the future. Especially now that it supports package dependencies (if available.) It certainly speeds things up.

Configuring Poudreire, running the builds (correctly), setting up the repo config, etc... could take days or weeks to do, though. The learning curve isn't exactly easy. So, if they just want mp3 support now, that's the quickest. If they brush on Poudriere afterwards and get everything in place, it should be fine.

A little wiggle room. :)

i feel like the default ports option could be adjusted now that many people are using binary packages, a lot of them are probably from when everyone built from source

the default options for individual ports, i mean

of course then you will probably get people complaining that no one cares about portmaster users :-)

portmaster is like a hammer, will always work in good hands

I use postmaster exclusively, myself. It's sure been a great tool for me over the years.

Err... portmaster.

The ek

The cpet.

so a disaster just happened, i broke the scren on a laptop.. how can i switch to hdmi without the main screen working?

cant see the arandr / xrandr output

however i was able to plugin the hdmi and drop to tty 2

and see the output in hdmi

mtll: I don't know much about polkit, but I got it working by changing all the <allow_any> tags to yes in /usr/local/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks2.policy, which is probably not recommended by anyone half sane