TommyC, cpet, badkat: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=286429

And... I've isolated the bad interaction. It's the default binds. "set -o" still shouldn't matter, so it remains a bug, but it's an interesting one. I'll try to get time to debug it further.

(Hidden backstory - I'm thinking of using /bin/sh as my default shell.)

mason: Why?

Many other shells have /bin/sh's features and more.

It's minimalist.

I like minimalism.

Don't get me wrong, I use /bin/sh for my scripts too, but for my user shell I like some features.

How fast is FreeBSD's /bin/sh compared to dash (used by Debian etc.)?

smlavine: They're both Ash. I'd bet they're indistinguishable.

Good evening , I had wayland and other compositors working great with 14.1 but I restarted and now I have no permission with seat0 , I have video group added , and no changes with kld in rc.conf

I didn't need XDG before do I need it now ?

Sorry wayfire and other wayland compositors worked before

crazy question but does fbsd compress ram by default nowadays?

What does that even mean ?

Reminds me of the site that allows you to download . more ram

I get the error now "Could not set VT mode to enable process switching: Operation not permitted"

Means you arent root or something else

Jail?

Macer: Not by default.

cpet: docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/blockdev/zram.html

Macer: Maybe not at all. "Not by default" was the wrong answer.

Looking at the hyprland logs and wayfire logs I see "wayland backend cannot start" "DRM backened failed"

Looks like there have been a couple Summer of Code projects.

hrm

people really need stop thinking every OS is the same as Linux

cpet: why? lol

there is hack for this but unsure if good

in some cases it might be good to compress ram... MAYBE

memory is fun, my android phone has 12g ram and 8g swap, if it compresses any of them, it would give even more (slow) memory, yet it doesn't do much, isn't even fast... and then i have box with 4g ram and 16g swap which somehow performs much better

I had RamDoubler on the Mac decades ago. Worked pretty well.

you know in some sense i get why android chose to have java ui

even

did they ever pay out to Oracle over that?

i wonder if swap in compressed malloc based md would work

are you compressing swap ketas ?

or more like, would it be useful

no i don't

OK, go with zstd

swap on zfs?

or there was geom compression class?

i can't see one

could always swap into fuse or so

this all sounds like crap

i've done swap over nfs :)

there are number of issues here

as with zfs, what if you want to swap but in order to swap you need to allocate more memory which you can't since there's no memory left, and if you would have memory left you won't need to swap at all

unsure why zram never went in

too complex with less benefits?

only thing that compresses now is zfs arc

"zram" is a thing in the current default Fedora Linux installs. For better or worse

is it adaptive?

i wonder how much benefit it gives you

cba, more slower ram, less fast ram

Is anyone else having issues with seatd not finding any gpu's ?

using freebsd 14.1

n|Phreak: this is required for something you are doing with Wayland?

yeah wayland uses seatd

Everything was working just fine before , I install hikari and wayfire

now I can't get seatd to work properly

quick search tells me that 14.1 is EOL - although I have no recommendations on how to fix the seatd problem, I do recommend that you update to 14.2-RELEASE

yeah I just get error Waiting for DRM card device

hmm ok

I'm on 14.2-RELEASE with drm-61-kmod and amdgpu for an RX 5700 and it works well with X11. I have not tried anything Wayland YET though

Yeah, "freebsd-update fetch" and "freebsd-update install" should make a boot environment for you and get you up to speed on 14.2

yeah I'm running freebsd-update fetch now

reading the handbook

well, staying on the non EOL production release should at least give you security patches to keep the machine safer

and it is the easiest method to do that

Also there is an ABI change from 14.1 to 14.2 -- so chances are you might need to "pkg update" and "pkg upgrade" after the reboot making the 14.2 active

I just don't understand why all of a sudden seatd doesn't work , even though I haven't changed anything

I'm at a loss on that too

I've never used seatd for anything though

I'll do that , I see there are 135 patches in 14.2

not even wayland ?

I've not used Wayland on FreeBSD at all. It is my default on Fedora Rawhide KDE Plasma edition though

(Fedora Linux)

yeah I have it on all my devices

Oh, if you are a KDE Plasma fan, 14.2 has "kde" meta port now that installs KDE Plasma 6.3.4

I'm using that right now

nah I rather use a tiling window manager

I stopped using kde / gnome a long time ago

So, hyprland, sway ?

yeah from sway to hyprland

on wayland , or i3 xorg , enlightenment

hmm freebsd-update install didn't install 14.2 ?

Oh, you might want to disable your GPU driver from loading in rc.conf and load.conf -- because when move to 14.2 those will need a re-install, and it trying to load the old one will likely give you a kernel panic

hmm, maybe it needs a "release" target before it does that

I'll have a look

-r release -- Target for upgrade (e.g., 13.2-RELEASE)

so try freebsd-update -r 14.2-RELEASE

and frreebsd-update install

could also be: freebsd-update -r 14.2-RELEASE upgrade

sorry for any confusion. I am New to FreeBSD

yeah its ok , I might have to fresh install 14.2 anyway

yeah, those directions look a lot better than me "winging it"

so for future reference its , freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.2-RELEASE

Nice

lol didn't have to re-install anything , video drivers work just fine , hyprland is up .. so weird

Nice

so "seatd" is working now?

yeah , as soon the screen changed I new the video drivers were working again

lol

well, glad I helped you "fix seatd" even if neither of us know how it was done :P

I will sleep better knowing you are on 14.2 and getting security updates

yeah it was good advice

Thanks

SponiX: cause people keep saying but it worked on Linux

(TM)

can anyone name a layer 2 networking protocol which is supported by a current freebsd release (so not ATM) and which is exposed as a network device (so not fibre channel) and which has a link level network address (so not PPP) but which does not use Ethernet addresses as its AF_LINK address format?

o_0

this was on final jeopardy last night

LLDP

lldp does not count since it's not exposed as a network device in freebsd

(specifically, i want something that shows up in ifconfig)

Token ring ?

do we still have any token ring drivers?

Yeap

If we don't would not be that hard to port back in

could you name one? :) man -k token isn't turning up much...

Oltr if you want to Install 5.4

But that's all I got

ifconfig is not helping either, the only format is has actual support for is "ether", the rest are just shown as generic lladdr

Token ring is old don't think any is has support for it

Besides hacking it

But based on the above that's only thing that comes to mind

the reason i ask is, i'm trying to decide if it's necessary to support address formats in link_addr(3) other than 48-bit ethernet addresses. i can't find any situation where you'd actually need that. (this is the function that parses the argument to 'ifconfig if0 link <address>')

What does the RFC say ?

there is no RFC for this

i don't think link_addr is in POSIX either, it seems to come from BSD/OS

actually no, it was in 4.4BSD

of course back then they had lots of interesting network protocols, now it's all just ethernet

wait? what?

If we don't change the size of Mac addresses don't see why you would change that

BSD 4.4 Reno

I have src for that

sorry. i missed the whole conversation. but yeah. zram tends to be the way to go with linux. i was just curious if fbsd already compressed ram by default and if so, how. but it seems like it doesn't and that zram is in progress.

i must have been thinking about arc compressing ram in zfs

who was the one asking about zram?

I can't sleep so I did some reading

and mdconfig has a -o compress option

not exactly the same as gram but similar

I am trying to troubleshoot this issue: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=286442. Could someone who has Postfix installed please run the following command and report the results?

postfix set-permissions upgrade-configuration

hmm it doesn't seem the pf mailing list is very active, I wonder if it would have been worth cc'ing it to freebsd-questions which tend to get more responses than on more specialised mailing lists

(I guess this is the issue with freebsd's sprawling number of mailing lists, its hard to keep track of them all)

I am a big fan of how openbsd sticks most shit into misc@ so I can tune into what I am interested in and discard what I am not

This thread details one of the most epic moments in BSD history: lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2006-October/004050.html

not a word after Colin pointed out the idea was lifted from the release announcement, eh?

you could probably argue that it was presumably not a default configuration, though then you get into arguing about how downstreams assess risk in writing their own announcements

if GSSAPI authentication is enabled, but the likelihood of successful exploitation appears remote.

indeed

someone in here been able to build ollama for arm64 on freebsd?

/14/14

err

drobban: didnt tried that, whats the problem?

im having some issues with this new userland software in 14.2 "dsbdriverd"

seems like some systemd stuff to me, its touching my interfaces, i hate that crap

never heard of it

yesterday i deployed a new freebsd box that contains a bhyve VM, using a tap-bridge

rtprio: its from 14.2

this happens, the tap interface is getting destroyed by that new deamon

-> paste.ofcode.org/mvmYb8XYUuTxgry5kTwrCU

what installed it?

rtprio: nice question, im on that investigation now

it's not 'from 14.2' it's from the ports. uninstall it

yes my bad is not base userland

or disable it `sysrc dsbdriverd_enable=NO`

damn sorry for my blaming post :(, i got rageful thinking that was on base, didnt even noticed the bin path

badkat: no port available for arm64 in ports, tried to see if I could figure shit for my self, but im getting snagged on the fact it tries to compile with support for gpu, dont care for the gpu, want to try it with cpu only.

cant figure out how to disable those parts. Seems like I have to start learning go.

drobban: I don't know go, but sounds like that should be something you can disable with a compile-time flag or something

might not be though, but that would be good engineering

mtll: yea, agree with you.. Ill have to study the build tools more.

drobban: github.com/ollama/ollama/blob/main/CMakePresets.json

my cmake is rusty, but looks like it has some support for building for CPU

thanks for the pointers i'll have a look

hey i've got a fun question

so i decided to implement a CARP-redundant firewall/router inside VNET jails on two machines

i know this is pretty silly - that's not the question yet :)

i created vlan interfaces on my host for each tagged vlan; bridges for each vlan with the vlan interfaces connected (so i can have other jails on a given vlan along with the firewall); and epairs connected to the bridges with the b-sides handed to the vnet firewall jail.

CARP got pretty upset when epair101a sent a CARP packet from MAC 00:00:5e:whatever it is and then re0.1 suddenly sent with that MAC too

jaredj: ever herd the song about carp ?

no song listening no help

lol no

I know perl carp...

so i'm gonna try with netgraph instead of all these bridges and epairs

i see that there is an ng_ipfw but not an ng_pf. i don't think i have anything amazing to use ng_ipfw for, and ipfw doesn't have pfsync like pf does

so i've watched the presentation about netgraph, read netgraph(4), read a FBSDJournal article about it - has anyone here used it in conjunction with a firewall?

that, i think, is the question. the only thing that needs fixing is my head because i'm not just running opnsense vm's, probably

cpet: there was a carp song from openbsd but not sure, that one?

badkat: every openbsd release they put our an image and a song

carp had one and it was hilarious

mmmm, openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35 ?

yeap

reading. laughing :D

cpet: i know about the songs dude :)

no you dont you just googled it after I mentioned it

dont lie

this guy...

i didnt know the release related to the song

why i mention openbsd then XD

*shrug* i sure did. :)

er, -- search for it

cpet: you are more stupid than i tought, or maybe im flaming a handicaped guy :P should not expect more cognitive resolution from you

boy howdy. i had read a history of CARP on the Wiki page but this is far more colorful :)

jaredj: any idea do you want to implement over netgraph?

badkat: i was kidding ?

cpet: then i was too

ok then

you are more stupider than I thought

thanks

np man

aww you gu -- um, peoples ^_^

jaredj: seeing how some peple here cant take jokes

what exactly is your issue

netgraph is probably not they way to go

i certainly want to collect netflow data; i was gonna try to move to netgraph in the future, but with this crazy bridge contraption thing not working, it's forcing my hand

we need configs, examples

copy and paste

not just it doesnt work

dont be that linux guy

forget his name

hell, there's no "it"

well remove it

jaredj: which netflow spec in special?

and still show us some stuffs

mmm, i don't know enough to care which netflow version yet... *distant stare* i learned a thing or two about those last year

any preferred / forbidden pastebins or pic sites?

just paste it here

i hate using pastebins

i hate looking at pastebins

and i hate people posting pastebins

and i hate those who think copying and pasting is hard to hard

and i hate people who dont listen to the openbsd songs

whats the default DOCSDIR ?

well - j.agrue.info/freebsd-vnet-jail-bridge-carp-fail.html is not a pastebin, fortunately :)

jaredj: i dont know maybe smarty pants can help you

jaredj: just put all the openbsd songs in a playlist then everything gets easier

:D

if you listen the 6.6 backwards there is an easter egg

i was happy to see 9front has a song this release

haven't listened to it though :D

cpet: pikchr <<EOF

HostA: [box "re0" height 200%; line dotted; box "re0.1"; line chop; box "bridge1"; line; box "epair101a" center ">" above rjust ">" below rjust;]; box width HostA.width+1cm height HostA.height+1cm at HostA.center; text "Host A" bold above ljust at 0.75cm n of HostA.nw; JailA: [Epair101b: box "epair101b" center "<" above ljust "<" below ljust;]; with w at 1cm e of HostA.e; box width JailA.width+1cm height JailA.height+1cm at

JailA.center; text "Firewall jail A" bold above ljust at 0.75cm n of JailA.nw; ; move to 3.5cm s of HostA.sw;

HostB: [box "re0" height 200%; line dotted; box "re0.1"; line chop; box "bridge1"; line; box "epair101a" center ">" above rjust ">" below rjust;]; box width HostB.width+1cm height HostB.height+1cm at HostB.center; text "Host B" bold above ljust at 0.75cm n of HostB.nw; JailB: [box "epair101b" center "<" above ljust "<" below ljust;];

*lol*

with w at 1cm e of HostB.e; box width JailB.width+1cm height JailB.height+1cm at JailB.center; text "Firewall jail B" bold above ljust at 0.75cm n of JailB.nw; ; spline thick from JailA.n up 0.5cm then left until even with 1cm right of HostA.nw then down until even with HostB.sw then right until even with 0.5cm s of JailB.s then to JailB.s; text "Intended CARP redundancy" ljust at 1.5cm right of 0.5 between HostA.sw and HostB.nw

EOF

please reformat in svg and encode in base64 :D