Seems CLion does not run on freebsd, what IDE do you use for C programming?

elvis or vim, and LXTerminal.

everyone else using pkgbase too?

hernan604: for some reason, I tried scfb, but it seems the docs said that scfb only provided access to laptop monitors?

maybe I misunderstood em

mtll: it's generic non-accelerated driver using your console framebuffer

hello, except for the KMODs, is it correct that packages build on any X.Y-RELEASE can be used on any X version?

for example if I'm building packages on a 13.5 box can I be 100% sure that they will run on 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, 13.3, 13.4, 13.5 RELEASEs ?

normally stuff build on X.Y can be used on X.Z with Z >= Y, as ABIs are stable in a major version, but some kmods use KBIs that aren't stable in a major version

so if I'm building on 13.5 it won't run on 13.0 ?

that is also why packages for 14.Z where build on 14.1 until its EOL recently

(I don't care about kmods)

no they won't, as additions to the ABI are possible, but you should use jails to isolate builds anyway and can then use a 13.0 jail to build

thanks

so, I've been able to get i915kms module loaded, by manually disabling the discrete gpu via devctl

it seems to pick up the igpu fine, but I can't get xorg to start

starting it with no custom config it errors out with Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs f

with this warning happening right before it:

VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support

so it seems they really were waiting for q2 to merge the xorg-server security update in quarterly branch

as each quarter a new quarterly branch is cut from the main branch, merge into quarterly for those security updates is now overcome by events

this doesn't change my personal preference to never use quarterly, though

security fixes being overcome by events a month later should be seen as a bug by itself

yes, it is pretty bad, that nobody merged it into quarterly when it mattered

well in some cases like firefox for example, port updates get pushed into the quarterly branch asap, not sure why they can't do that for critical security updates

ok so I got frustrated, and physically removed my dgpu, just to see if the presence of it was confusing X somehow. and apparently it was, because I now get a different error

let me pastebin the logs, sec

i am hacking on bridge(4) vlan support a bit if anyone is interested: llfw/freebsd-src 7d77bba

wait, there is no x such that 14745600 <= x <= 4194304 how does xorg want that to be solved?

probably the bounds are wrong, not the x

I have no idea what this error means though

gonna try the drm-kmod 6.8 branch as a hail mary

got the same error with that version... maybe the 6.1 port?

pretty much get the same error no matter which version I try

it is interesting that the log contains multiple warnings related to DRI2 not being available, and the error happens right after "Initializing extension DRI2"

how are people finding plasma6 cause I'm am not happy

would you like to go into detail

greetings - anyone using zfs in large enterprise environments?

sure, people do

Hi, I'm trying to use an ssh key with a different name than id_rsa, in my case is 14_1-rsa and 14_1-rsa.pub, but those aren't read (and they exists in ~/.ssh).

how can I tell ssh to read those, apart from the usual id_rsa and id_rsa.pub

martinrame: identityfile in ~/.ssh/config

martinrame: please take your time, read the manul and you will learn, then, you will be able to help more people

s/manul/manual

Also -i at runtime, also in ssh(1).

thanks!

Hello, just setup a new 14.2 install on a Dell E-45 APU laptop (Wrestler) , I put in radeonkms in rc.conf but when I rebooted I now have a blackscreen and I can't even get into another TTY.

How can I change to VESA instead ?

I was trying to get Hikari to work

Try control-alt-backspace?

That hotkey should kill the X server.

Can you ssh into it?

Otherwise you're prolly looking at a hard reboot into single-luser mode.

ok I logged via single user and zfs readonly=off zroot/ROOT/default

fix0r

and I was allowed to edit rc.conf , and change to vesa , rebooting

ok so didn't load hikari but I have login access again

so device is a Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320]

so if I use radeonkms and I get a blackscreen ,chances are video driver is working correct ?

n|Phreak: there have been issues with 14.2 video drivers. if you just want to try freebsd, download and install 14.1.

video drivers should be fixed soon.

ohh ok , cool

14.1 went EoL yesterday

lol damn , 14.2 went so smooth

14.1 being EOL should cause ports to be rebuilt against 14.2, which should fix the problem with DRM drivers, although that might take a few weeks as it has to be done manually

it's just timing. 14.2 had some issues with drm-kmod which affects video. 14.1 didn't have that. 14.2 packages are being built as we speak and should be available very soon (if not out already)

ok , no big deal I can always upgrade to 14.2 later right ?

you can install 14.1 now and, in a few days, upgrade to 14.2

yes

14.1 will be just as smooth (or should be anyway)

jpb: do you know the PR for the problem in 14.2? i didn't see an errata notice for this, i assumed the problem was just the usual kernel/userland version mismatch in ports kmods

pretty sure they're just referring to the usual problem of trying to run 14.1 drm-kmod on 14.2

ah, i thought "14.2 had some issues with drm-kmod" meant there was a bug in 14.2 specifically

yes, that's it. there are a million similar discussions across different boards.

ivy: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=282549 i think is part of this. i know when i tried 14.2 my intel i915kms module borked my display.

so this isn't actually fixed in 14.2, it will just break again later when 14.3 is released :-)

that being said, i'm using 14.2 now with xfce on a different machine using nvidia

could be wayland also with seatd cause I was only using wayland anyway , xfce4 is x11

i'll probably try 14.2 on my older lenovo T530 again in a few days.

does vesa work with wayland ?

no idea - never used wayland. others here may know.

I would think so. . . but I can't say for sure.

i didn't think there was a "vesa" DRM driver

is that was xf86-video-vesa is ?

isn't that what xf86-video-vesa is ?

Dunno if it's DRM.

hmm good point

DRM is very worthwhile to try and get working though.

yeah I know , works great on all my nix devies

yeah I know , works great on all my nix devices

n|Phreak: but that's for X, not Wayland

yeah your right my other devices are all intel drm

ok so the video driver works because the screen changes but get "no clients on seatd0 to activate ?

how would I change gid=1001 from gid=0(wheel) ? pretty sure I screwed this up going through to fast create a user

cause uid should match gid correct ?

i would not use 0 as a gid

right I screwed up creating users , how do I change gid=0 to gid=1001 ?

run "man chgrp" to view the manual page for chgrp.

lol finally got hikari working .. thanks everyone for your help

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wow hikari is really cool, I usually use sway / hyprland but I really like this.

hmm linux-browsers ? what browsers do you guys use on FreeBSD ?

n|Phreak There was this small recent poll on the forum. forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-are…e-popular-browsers-on-freebsd.97343

I use qutebrowser, netsurf and librewolf

yeah I like qutebrowser

ah, and curl piped into less bundled into a shell function, I always forget about that one, probably because it became more like muscle memory

hi

does anybody know how close the PS5 OS is to FreeBSD in terms of kernel space?

i take it userspace is mostly entirely different?

since sony doesn't publish their repo, it's purely hypothtical

okay

what is the general architecture of freebsd?

like a random binary making a write() call from userspace - does it directly cross the kernel boundary, or does it have to be exported from libc or something equivalent?

in other words, how similar is it to linux?

RelayChat: the latter

there's now a libsys as well

RelayChat: probably overkill for an answer but you can find all you need to know here: github.com/iceqp/books-1/blob/maste…ting%20System%20(2nd%20Edition).pdf

hi, is there anyway to pass all my outgoing traffic via proxy

I used this rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port 1:65535 -> 127.0.0.1 port 3128 in pf, but nothing happen

holopeinen: does your proxy support transpareng proxying ?

mzar, yes it does

what it is ?

thanks

mzar, pq.hosting

was the software patched correctly for transparent proxying with PF ?

mzar, I do not, but I used squid locally because the provider has login:password. I tested curl -x 127.0.0.1:3128 and it works good

OK

but curl ifconfig.me , it gives me my IP that ISP gives me

awesome hikari + librewolf + doom-emacs

hmmm is there anywhere the documentation folks hang out?

I would like to discuss something within the handbook :)

polarian: try #bsddocs on efnet