01:26:05 <Yaazkal> Seems CLion does not run on freebsd, what IDE do you use for C programming?
01:26:46 <AlaskanEmily> elvis or vim, and LXTerminal.
02:33:10 <SponiX> everyone else using pkgbase too?
04:13:06 <mtll> hernan604: for some reason, I tried scfb, but it seems the docs said that scfb only provided access to laptop monitors?
04:13:12 <mtll> maybe I misunderstood em
04:20:35 <cyric> mtll: it's generic non-accelerated driver using your console framebuffer
09:19:27 <mage> hello, except for the KMODs, is it correct that packages build on any X.Y-RELEASE can be used on any X version?
09:20:07 <mage> for example if I'm building packages on a 13.5 box can I be 100% sure that they will run on 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, 13.3, 13.4, 13.5 RELEASEs ?
09:21:45 <nimaje> normally stuff build on X.Y can be used on X.Z with Z >= Y, as ABIs are stable in a major version, but some kmods use KBIs that aren't stable in a major version
09:22:45 <mage> so if I'm building on 13.5 it won't run on 13.0 ?
09:22:46 <nimaje> that is also why packages for 14.Z where build on 14.1 until its EOL recently
09:23:04 <mage> (I don't care about kmods)
09:25:09 <nimaje> no they won't, as additions to the ABI are possible, but you should use jails to isolate builds anyway and can then use a 13.0 jail to build
09:28:05 <mage> thanks
10:21:02 <mtll> so, I've been able to get i915kms module loaded, by manually disabling the discrete gpu via devctl
10:21:19 <mtll> it seems to pick up the igpu fine, but I can't get xorg to start
10:33:23 <mtll> starting it with no custom config it errors out with Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs        f
10:33:45 <mtll> with this warning happening right before it:
10:33:57 <mtll> VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
11:00:54 <polyduekes> so it seems they really were waiting for q2 to merge the xorg-server security update in quarterly branch
11:03:57 <nimaje> as each quarter a new quarterly branch is cut from the main branch, merge into quarterly for those security updates is now overcome by events
11:20:14 <ivy> this doesn't change my personal preference to never use quarterly, though
11:20:32 <ivy> security fixes being overcome by events a month later should be seen as a bug by itself
11:25:33 <nimaje> yes, it is pretty bad, that nobody merged it into quarterly when it mattered
11:27:47 <polyduekes> well in some cases like firefox for example, port updates get pushed into the quarterly branch asap, not sure why they can't do that for critical security updates
11:45:24 <mtll> ok so I got frustrated, and physically removed my dgpu, just to see if the presence of it was confusing X somehow. and apparently it was, because I now get a different error
11:45:30 <mtll> let me pastebin the logs, sec
11:50:50 <mtll> https://pastebin.com/3WwDpA3N
11:58:44 <ivy> i am hacking on bridge(4) vlan support a bit if anyone is interested: https://github.com/llfw/freebsd-src/commit/7d77bba1d5cdb7e6bdfbaac17163b1f7ac150891
12:12:58 <nimaje> wait, there is no x such that 14745600 <= x <= 4194304 how does xorg want that to be solved?
12:15:15 <mtll> probably the bounds are wrong, not the x
12:15:28 <mtll> I have no idea what this error means though
12:15:47 <mtll> gonna try the drm-kmod 6.8 branch as a hail mary
12:20:49 <mtll> got the same error with that version... maybe the 6.1 port?
12:30:25 <mtll> pretty much get the same error no matter which version I try
12:32:01 <mtll> it is interesting that the log contains multiple warnings related to DRI2 not being available, and the error happens right after "Initializing extension DRI2"
12:36:13 <[tj]> how are people finding plasma6 cause I'm am not happy
13:24:23 <LXGHTNXNG> would you like to go into detail
13:47:20 <jpb> greetings - anyone using zfs in large enterprise environments?
14:27:42 <mzar> sure, people do
15:08:21 <martinrame> Hi, I'm trying to use an ssh key with a different name than id_rsa, in my case is 14_1-rsa and 14_1-rsa.pub, but those aren't read (and they exists in ~/.ssh).
15:08:47 <martinrame> how can I tell ssh to read those, apart from the usual id_rsa and id_rsa.pub
15:09:37 <armin> martinrame: identityfile in ~/.ssh/config
15:09:38 <mzar> martinrame: please take your time, read the manul and you will learn, then, you will be able to help more people
15:09:55 <mzar> s/manul/manual
15:10:07 <CrtxReavr> Also -i at runtime, also in ssh(1).
15:10:31 <martinrame> thanks!
15:38:16 <n|Phreak> Hello, just setup a new 14.2 install on a Dell E-45 APU laptop (Wrestler) , I put in radeonkms in rc.conf but when I rebooted I now have a blackscreen and I can't even get into another TTY.
15:39:02 <n|Phreak> How can I change to VESA instead ?
15:40:26 <n|Phreak> I was trying to get Hikari to work
15:43:54 <CrtxReavr> Try control-alt-backspace?
15:44:09 <CrtxReavr> That hotkey should kill the X server.
15:44:22 <CrtxReavr> Can you ssh into it?
15:44:36 <CrtxReavr> Otherwise you're prolly looking at a hard reboot into single-luser mode.
15:45:09 <n|Phreak> ok I logged via single user and zfs readonly=off zroot/ROOT/default
15:45:33 <CrtxReavr> fix0r
15:45:35 <n|Phreak> and I was allowed to edit rc.conf , and change to vesa , rebooting
15:47:31 <n|Phreak> ok so didn't load hikari but I have login access again
15:51:36 <n|Phreak> so device is a Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320]
16:15:58 <n|Phreak> so if I use radeonkms and I get a blackscreen  ,chances are video driver is working correct ?
16:18:42 <jpb> n|Phreak: there have been issues with 14.2 video drivers.  if you just want to try freebsd, download and install 14.1.
16:18:57 <jpb> video drivers should be fixed soon.
16:19:24 <n|Phreak> ohh ok , cool
16:22:16 <mzar> 14.1 went EoL yesterday
16:24:09 <n|Phreak> lol damn , 14.2 went so smooth
16:25:31 <ivy> 14.1 being EOL should cause ports to be rebuilt against 14.2, which should fix the problem with DRM drivers, although that might take a few weeks as it has to be done manually
16:26:14 <jpb> it's just timing.  14.2 had some issues with drm-kmod which affects video. 14.1 didn't have that.  14.2 packages are being built as we speak and should be available very soon (if not out already)
16:26:53 <n|Phreak> ok , no big deal I can always upgrade to 14.2 later right ?
16:27:02 <jpb> you can install 14.1 now and, in a few days, upgrade to 14.2
16:27:04 <jpb> yes
16:27:33 <jpb> 14.1 will be just as smooth (or should be anyway)
16:27:57 <ivy> jpb: do you know the PR for the problem in 14.2?  i didn't see an errata notice for this, i assumed the problem was just the usual kernel/userland version mismatch in ports kmods
16:28:29 <kevans> pretty sure they're just referring to the usual problem of trying to run 14.1 drm-kmod on 14.2
16:29:27 <ivy> ah, i thought "14.2 had some issues with drm-kmod" meant there was a bug in 14.2 specifically
16:29:31 <jpb> yes, that's it.  there are a million similar discussions across different boards.
16:33:48 <jpb> ivy: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=282549 i think is part of this.  i know when i tried 14.2 my intel i915kms module borked my display.
16:34:43 <ivy> so this isn't actually fixed in 14.2, it will just break again later when 14.3 is released :-)
16:35:31 <jpb> that being said, i'm using 14.2 now with xfce on a different machine using nvidia
16:36:45 <n|Phreak> could be wayland also with seatd cause I was only using wayland anyway , xfce4 is x11
16:37:30 <jpb> i'll probably try 14.2 on my older lenovo T530 again in a few days.
16:38:39 <n|Phreak> does vesa work with wayland ?
16:39:21 <jpb> no idea - never used wayland.  others here may know.
16:46:39 <CrtxReavr> I would think so. . . but I can't say for sure.
16:52:05 <ivy> i didn't think there was a "vesa" DRM driver
16:54:23 <n|Phreak> is that was xf86-video-vesa is ?
16:54:39 <n|Phreak> isn't that what xf86-video-vesa is ?
16:54:41 <CrtxReavr> Dunno if it's DRM.
16:54:55 <n|Phreak> hmm good point
16:55:24 <CrtxReavr> DRM is very worthwhile to try and get working though.
16:55:48 <n|Phreak> yeah I know , works great on all my nix devies
16:55:56 <n|Phreak> yeah I know , works great on all my nix devices
16:56:33 <ivy> n|Phreak: but that's for X, not Wayland
16:59:22 <n|Phreak> yeah your right my other devices are all intel drm
17:20:05 <n|Phreak> ok so the video driver works because the screen changes but get "no clients on seatd0 to activate ?
17:56:25 <n|Phreak> how would I change gid=1001 from gid=0(wheel) ? pretty sure I screwed this up going through to fast create a user
17:56:54 <n|Phreak> cause uid should match gid correct ?
17:58:18 <rtprio> i would not use 0 as a gid
18:00:25 <n|Phreak> right I screwed up creating users , how do I change gid=0 to gid=1001 ?
18:03:38 <jpb> run "man chgrp" to view the manual page for chgrp.
18:51:14 <n|Phreak> lol finally got hikari working .. thanks everyone for your help
19:02:27 <jpb> \o/
19:05:08 <cinnabun> \o/
19:09:18 <n|Phreak> wow hikari is really cool, I usually use sway / hyprland but I really like this.
19:17:16 <n|Phreak> hmm linux-browsers ? what browsers do you guys use on FreeBSD ?
19:18:24 <cinnabun> n|Phreak There was this small recent poll on the forum. https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-are-the-popular-browsers-on-freebsd.97343/
19:22:17 <nimaje> I use qutebrowser, netsurf and librewolf
19:23:42 <n|Phreak> yeah I like qutebrowser
19:25:02 <nimaje> ah, and curl piped into less bundled into a shell function, I always forget about that one, probably because it became more like muscle memory
19:39:25 <RelayChat> hi
19:39:43 <RelayChat> does anybody know how close the PS5 OS is to FreeBSD in terms of kernel space?
19:39:51 <RelayChat> i take it userspace is mostly entirely different?
19:55:42 <rtprio> since sony doesn't publish their repo, it's purely hypothtical
19:56:59 <RelayChat> okay
19:57:08 <RelayChat> what is the general architecture of freebsd?
19:57:39 <RelayChat> like a random binary making a write() call from userspace - does it directly cross the kernel boundary, or does it have to be exported from libc or something equivalent?
19:57:46 <RelayChat> in other words, how similar is it to linux?
19:57:49 <dstolfa> RelayChat: the latter
19:58:01 <dstolfa> there's now a libsys as well
19:59:08 <jpb> RelayChat: probably overkill for an answer but you can find all you need to know here:  https://github.com/iceqp/books-1/blob/master/The%20Design%20and%20Implementation%20of%20the%20FreeBSD%20Operating%20System%20(2nd%20Edition).pdf
20:13:07 <holopeinen> hi, is there anyway to pass all my outgoing traffic via proxy
20:13:51 <holopeinen> I used this rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port 1:65535 -> 127.0.0.1 port 3128 in pf, but nothing happen
20:22:39 <mzar> holopeinen: does your proxy support transpareng proxying ?
20:25:09 <holopeinen> mzar, yes it does
20:25:21 <mzar> what it is ?
20:26:04 <RelayChat> thanks
20:26:10 <holopeinen> mzar, pq.hosting
20:27:19 <mzar> was the software patched correctly for transparent proxying with PF ?
20:29:19 <holopeinen> mzar, I do not, but I used squid locally because the provider has login:password. I tested curl -x 127.0.0.1:3128 and it works good
20:29:32 <mzar> OK
20:29:54 <holopeinen> but curl https://ifconfig.me , it gives me my IP that ISP gives me
20:51:35 <n|Phreak> awesome hikari + librewolf + doom-emacs
22:21:44 <polarian> hmmm is there anywhere the documentation folks hang out?
22:21:55 <polarian> I would like to discuss something within the handbook :)
23:34:05 <ivy> polarian: try #bsddocs on efnet