rtprio: tuning(7) says so

Here is the top of a thread that I have bookmarked: forums.freebsd.org/threads/disable-…mits-bypass-thrashing-and-oom.93454

rwp: that's not how i understand tuning(7)

I haven't adventured into that part of the cave yet but the other adventures who passed by me said this: forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-m…a-sane-way.83582/page-3#post-550016

but it's been a long time since i've had any trouble with memory pressure

RAM is less expensive now and it is easy to buy a machine with huge amounts of it. It's still a problem on VMs and other smaller systems.

16GB these days isn't enough for web browsing, compiling Android, LTO'ing C++, and a whole lot of other stuff, sadly

It's enough to do any one of those things at a time. :-/

nah I tried

I've stopped all services I could, Xorg, etc and tried to compile Android on 16GB. Not enough

My biggest systems are 16GB systems. But my N-1 generation machines are all 8GB machines. But then there are VMs which all have the minimum possible.

same when LTOing several C++ projects in the hundreds of thousands of LoC range

I haven't tried compiling Android. Or some other huge memory compile projects. But it's enough for FreeBSD to self-host itself.

I just use a separate machine for VMs that way my desktop doesn't suffer

hopefully a relative throws away some machine with 2x8GB DDR3 sticks soon and then I can nab the memory

i installed a pip which started the rust compiler that absolutely pegged all cores and the zpool

but i have plenty of freebsd vm's that are 4-5gb

sudo shutdown -h now

I use a separate machine for VMs too. So that they are stable and I can thrash and reboot my desktop on my schedule without affecting any of the VMs.

I think the pip/cpan/gem way of doing things is a failure, a failure of windows which doesn't have a package manager for such things, and it leaked into all of the rest from there.

pip user esperience is horrid in general. seems every language has their own silly package manager that deosn't work these days

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hi!

CrtxReavr: got it. The thing is even if I set the logging level to init messages only (or even the empty string "") I still see that error message every few seconds. Any ideas?

There is ongoing discussion on a rust libc breaking change for FreeBSD, and I guess some around here could have an opinion - rust-lang/libc #3367

Hi, my jails (esp. including the one with my DNS server) are not starting at boot, and it seems to be because ntpd fails to start (since it cannot resolve 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org because the jails are not started yet). What is a good workaround?

Creating a bootable disk image that I can raw write to a hard drive. Any reason NOT to use a zfs volume + gpart, instead of mkimg + mdconfig?

hello

root install is latest while jail install (seemingly) quaterly. do you know why they differ?

i run pkg from inside the jail. it refers to what's in the jail. if i want latest in the jail, i create the necessary file in /usr/local/etc/

so when using none '-RELEASE versions' and trying to use 'freebsd-update fetch' one will get this message 'only works with release versions'.. so.. is there any other way to do this update ?

force it

is that an option?

or what command should one use for "system" updates on stable versions?

" --currently-running release" Update as if currently running this release

set that to the closest previous release

okok

but it depends on what you're running

thnx, rtprio!

I just don't get why that message shows up at all. :(

yeah, seatbelts off, make backups, etc etc

the program has a very confined scope of what it can update from and to

it can't just pick up any system and figure out what to install

I mean, why shouldn't one be able to get security updates for the system because you run stable?

that i can't answer (i don't run stable)

"The -STABLE version will get the same security fixes, at the same time, as a -RELEASE."

they're still available, you just have to build your own ?

like download each fix and install it separate?

s/separate/manually

dandyn: you're supposed to build stable from source. or if you want binaries, consider using pkgbase, but that's still very experimental

i wouldn't say *very* experimental, but expect breakages sometimes :D

experimental as in it works okay but it gets set up, but the initial switch for a new user is a bit tricky :-)

s/but it/once it

build stable from source, is that like reinstall freebsd?

yeah that sounds about right

dandyn: no, build from source means you upgrade from the source code instead of using freebsd-update

dandyn: no it's just a matter of cloning the freebsd source tree, switching to the stable branch and buildworld + buildkernel

there's a chapter in the handbook on how to do that

ah, thnx all!

dandyn: don't hesitate to build and run STABLE, ther's nothing wrong about it

mzar: *thumbs up