Howdy, folks!

Managed to move my main devuan PC to use FreeBSD.

I eould congratulate nicholaus for taking the first step into a larger world but they already parted.

and i use both, nicholaus

Anyone know why D35694 (Add ts(1) commend) was never merged?

*command

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Howdy, folks!

I just realized today that most X11 displays get housed on the first unoccupied TTY it can find, as opposed to linux where it uses the current TTY that X was started on.

And the highest TTY i can use is TTY8, so the first X.Org display created is on TTY9.

yup- is this a problem?

Not really.

Though, i'm more use to X.Org starting it's display on the same TTY it was started from, but this also works for me too.

It used to be that way on Linux not too long ago

Huh, go figure.

Now it reuses the tty startx was run from

ah, ok- sometimes it's hard to tell if some dialog is setup for a problem that needs solved or just a tale of surprise; glad to hear it's the latter rather than the former

:-)

y not really a problem :)

Is FreeBSD 14 not supported on a Raspberry Pi Zero W? (There is no 14 release image for it as per the links on this page: wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi#Pre-Built_Images)

kevans

jh

jbo

so...

how are things going? :D

oh y'know

arm-none-eabi-gcc? **cough**

still creeping my style :<

still running bhyve VMs :(

the machine I was using to work on libstdc++ is being used for something actually work-related for a while, so no progress there

:<

why do you hate me?

I mean...you could work it out, too =D you probably know more about libstdc++ than I do

doubtful

i mean, you've at least used it

every. single. day.

i've not a single motivating use case and I've never looked at the build in my life

you understand that after only having spend 15 years of actually doing stuff most people like you seem like gods to me, right?

jbo: how do i take a photograph of the matrix code of a CD using an iPhone?

lw, no idea. I never touched the stuff.

lw, on android I just use some random app using zxing under the hood

you never did it but you use zxing to do it? :)

lw, not on an iPhone

oh

no i don't want to scan the content of the barcode

imagine me actually reading your question carefully... :D

i literally just want a photograph of it

camera app?!

it's too reflective, it won't photograph properly

i think i need a flatbed scanner :(

wtf?

15 years is like, just a hair under half my life

kevans, don't remind me... I'm officially old nowdays .__.

=D

imagine humans not requiring 15 years to become "usable"

lw, so you have a compact disc, and there's a matrix code on it?

lw, surely, that matrix code is not on the "reflective" side of the disc but rather on the "label" side of the disc?

jbo: as there is on every CD, yes

i'm scared to see how functional my kids will be in 10, 12, 14 years. not even out of their teens yet

jbo: no, the matrix is printed on the 'reverse' side (the pressed side)

lw, are you sure that you're talking about matrix codes?

jbo: rushmediaprint.com/wp-content/uploa…-cds-using-matrix-and-sid-codes.jpg

kevans, I remember you talking about enjoying "new born smell" when I bothered you about arm-none-eabi-gcc initially. still thinking of that regularly :D

lw, different matrix code -__-

different to what?!

yeah, he's nearly 5 months old now, so that's how that project is going =-)

lw, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Matrix

ooh

kevans, congratulations :)

no not one of those, but now i see where the confusion came from

lw, <3

lw, kissy?

yeah a (CD) matrix code is nothing to do with a 2D bar code, i didn't even know they were called matrix codes

it's just the text printed on the inside of a pressed CD

kevans, QR is a type of 2D core, and so is the matrix code.

hence the confusion with lw

lw, so... XY-problem... what are you trying to achieve here?

jw: i want to take a photograph of the matrix and then upload it to musicbrainz

music nerds care about having a photo of the matrix because it lets you identify different pressings of the same release

god I hate Matrix Code

omg stop sending me messages on signal while i'm talking to you here

how many communications channels do we need

lw, why tf are you not just using audio/cyanrip?

i don't want to rip the CD

it creates a disc ID for you

I understand 2D bar code, and I understand QR, but matrix codes are hell

i already have the disc ID, that's not the same thing

the disc ID is just a hash of the CDDA TOC

antranigv, I disagree - but that is fine.

what's the difference between specialized software and camera to take a picture of it? some masking of the reflective surface?

lw, so you're literally asking me how to take a photograph?

....

jbo please please please, help me understand like I'm 5 :D I think I never had a proper guide for matrix code.

jbo: stop sending messages and wait, i will send you an example of the problem

antranigv, the wikipedia article should provide a very good entry point.

lw, the one thing I can do reliably is waiting.... asking kevans :D

he still refuses to work on gcc stuff, but my patience knows no bounds.

jbo I read that like 5 times in the last 2 years. never was able to get 100%. every time I try to guess what the outcome is gonna be, I get it wrong

this conversation is over my head

while I can "write" a QR code using my brain!

jbo: i.imgur.com/SMUK9vZ.jpeg - look at how reflective it is and how the text is covered by a reflection of my hand

draw, I guess, is the right term.

i want a copy of what's printed on the CD without the reflections

lw wait, you burnin or rippin ?

lw, ur doing it wrong

lw, but I wouldn't know how to do better. my business partner is a professional photographer but he's currently out enjoying life

need a camera mount and a box

lw, from what I know: don't use flash

lw, get proper high-volume light on that thing with some diffusers

yeah, but also set the saturation to zero

wait

I can modify the uploaded image

but I honestly don't know what I'm talking about

jbo what do you want the final outcome to be?

or be *like*

antranigv, wrong destination...

I was picturing a professional photographer setup with a solid color backdrop in front of and behind the subject

the final outcome I want is for kevans to make arm-gcc-none-eabi usable :p

ahahaahahaha

antranigv: i appreciate the offer but i have like 30 CDs i need to photograph

so i need to find the right way to do it myself :-)

really I'm hoping some other sucker wants libstdc++ and understands the gcc build

but my ability to build the thing over and over again or not is an impediment

if I can figure out the magic foruma in my editor, you should be able to do it with a regular phone + GIMP/ImageDoctorStrange

I want to build a NAS that can double as a competent builder at some point, but that's not in the budget for a while yet

kevans I can donate that

how much storage we're speaking?

can the "host" be AMD? or does it have to be ARM?

host can be whatever

kevans, I have a threadripper 7960x - but not the skills

oh my god you're still talking about your new CPU

kevans send me an SSH key over DM. I'll send you the access. OS on NVMe and a NAS? how much mem and CPU?

lw, sorry mate - I am truly not a source of wisedom for photography. do you hate me now AGAIN/

no but i haven't read all that spam you sent me on signal yet, let's see

my spam is personally - so better keep it that way.

This is why I text lw once a year, so he doesn't hate me

antranigv: ah, no worries; the other machine I typically use will become available again at some point

jbo: ok so to your first point, you can't visit me without knowing my address, i will sell you a copy of my address for £1,600

antranigv, lw just hates everybody by default

it's hard to beat an 80-core monster with lots of RAM

I was gonna suggest 96 core with 256GB of RAM, but ok

oh sorry, 48 cores. damn I forgot about my OmniOS build machine

is it a flexing contest now?

jbo if it was, then I lost

the 160 core mammoth is currently running linux

actually I could run a VM on that

can I play?

WHERE ARE MY CORES! oh of course Ubuntu needs 128 cores to do *checks notes* shitty scientific Python code

Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Fedora release 41 (Rawhide) • CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2696 v4 @ 2.20GHz (2.80GHz) • Memory: 245.7 GiB Total (234.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 379.2 TB / 515.4 TB (136.3 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation AD104 [GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER] @ Intel Corporation Xeon E7 v4/Xeon E5 v4/Xeon E3 v4/Xeon D DMI2 • Uptime: 1h 30m 8s

i have 8 cores and i write code like someone with 128 cores! <flex> (am i doing this right)

lw javascript developer? is that you?

antranigv: other way around, the JS developer needs 256 cores to write code as good as mine

lw btw, the angle is clearly right in the image. but the lighting is the issue. there's a shadow from the top that's blocking it, if you want a clear 2D barcode image.

did I win?

SponiX not close enough :P

Oh, I didn't even notice this was the FreeBSD channel. here I am with my Linux all showing

SponiX but gotta say, that's impressive storage. please tell me it's ZFS!

SponiX it's okay, we don't do distro wars. oh way, we don't even have distros

s/way/wait

antranigv: i'm not looking for just the barcode but the entire centre part of the disc including the other text ('CA ALM17224)

which is printed on the same reflective surface that's obscured by my finger and my phone

lw, have you tried to angle?

AFAIK those things are not exactly visible by bare eye straight on either

no but if my scanner plan doesn't work i might try that tomorrow... feels like it would need a fairly extremely angle though

have you considered using one of those flat bed scanners?

:-)

kevin i literally just said

woah now, those are fighting words

have you considered just... writing a note on the CD? assuming it's one sided?

:-d

kevans, lw is.... agressive :p

antranigv: i'd love to but musicbrainz seems to have no text field for this? i might submit that as a bug though

antranigv: I have two arrays that are a btrfs raid1c3 and a raid10. No ZFS at all

SponiX that makes me sad.

this is much easier on discogs.com where everyone just enters the ifpi/matrix as text

the last person that called me kevin ended up in a hole. a financial one because they didn't have a very good personal fiscal policy, but still

lol'd

antranigv: reason being that I buy used mismatched sized disks that btrfs still allows me to use in an array

LOL

kevans, the giga move would be to name your child kevin

i tried, my wife wasn't a fan

she thought it'd be confusing for kevin to have an uncle kevin for some reason

SponiX wait, you can do the same with ZFS o.O did I forget about this since I've been buying matched disks?

jbo: Kevin Jr.

or Kevan Jr.?

I don't know _ANY_ sane kevin. I know several kevins, and they are all.... well kevins.

antranigv: my disk are not just mixed brands and such, they are all different sizes within the same arrays also

jbo: i was about to say "what about Kevin Mitnick", then i realised i was confusing him with Kirk McKusick

SponiX I have to try a similar setup with ZFS and truncate, just to be sure.

+1 for Mitnick

Sad thing is, after he passed away, a family member calls me from the US and says "oh btw a very far family member passed away, have you heard of Kevin Mitnick? I think he also works with computers like you"

jbo: fun fact, i used to know someone who was related to djb, and he got so annoyed that everyone he met said "oh you're related to djb, that arsehole?"

I'm like "whaaaaaa, Kevin is family? how?" turns out his grandmother and my great grandfather were cousins or something.

antranigv: "His father was Alan Mitnick, his mother was Shelly Jaffe, and his maternal grandmother was Reba Vartanian" seems like a reasonable connection, yeah

antranigv: if that is something that can be done with ZFS now, I haven't heard of the change

SponiX: what, be cousins?

am i getting conversations confused here

lw, who tf is djb?

lw: I have been talking to antranigv. That is why I have his nick prefixed before my messages

jbo: daniel bernsteib of djbdns, qmail, etc

bernstein

jbo: djb is a math teacher that programmed some software to prove it can be done securely

oh lol that guy

SponiX: yeah it was antranigv who mentioned having a cousin though so my question is still reasonable

did I miss a message? lol

having a family tree that goes back to 1500s, yet I'm the only person using FreeBSD, makes me sad

(well, except my mom and dad ofc)

kevans btw, what about Chris? then he'll be Chris Evans, so totally ungoogle-able, if that's something you'd want.

you'd think a particular name would be ungoogleable, but until recently you could call your child "Bisexual Jones" and they'd be ungoogleable... now look at where they'd be

hah