00:35:05 Howdy, folks! 00:35:29 Managed to move my main devuan PC to use FreeBSD. 00:59:56 I eould congratulate nicholaus for taking the first step into a larger world but they already parted. 06:29:53 and i use both, nicholaus 14:06:20 Anyone know why D35694 (Add ts(1) commend) was never merged? 14:06:27 https://reviews.freebsd.org/D35694 14:06:35 *command 15:22:13 &j #hackaday 19:16:48 Howdy, folks! 19:18:02 I just realized today that most X11 displays get housed on the first unoccupied TTY it can find, as opposed to linux where it uses the current TTY that X was started on. 19:18:30 And the highest TTY i can use is TTY8, so the first X.Org display created is on TTY9. 19:19:40 yup- is this a problem? 19:20:15 Not really. 19:20:59 Though, i'm more use to X.Org starting it's display on the same TTY it was started from, but this also works for me too. 19:21:16 It used to be that way on Linux not too long ago 19:21:35 Huh, go figure. 19:22:06 Now it reuses the tty startx was run from 19:22:09 ah, ok- sometimes it's hard to tell if some dialog is setup for a problem that needs solved or just a tale of surprise; glad to hear it's the latter rather than the former 19:22:13 :-) 19:23:36 y not really a problem :) 19:39:30 Is FreeBSD 14 not supported on a Raspberry Pi Zero W? (There is no 14 release image for it as per the links on this page: https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi#Pre-Built_Images) 21:13:40 kevans 21:20:19 jh 21:20:21 jbo 21:21:54 so... 21:22:01 how are things going? :D 21:23:39 oh y'know 21:23:55 arm-none-eabi-gcc? **cough** 21:24:01 still creeping my style :< 21:24:05 still running bhyve VMs :( 21:25:10 the machine I was using to work on libstdc++ is being used for something actually work-related for a while, so no progress there 21:25:22 * kevans doesn't have anything beefy enough that can run gcc builds as much as he needs to work on it 21:26:34 :< 21:26:37 why do you hate me? 21:26:56 I mean...you could work it out, too =D you probably know more about libstdc++ than I do 21:28:16 doubtful 21:41:10 i mean, you've at least used it 21:41:23 every. single. day. 21:41:30 i've not a single motivating use case and I've never looked at the build in my life 21:41:54 you understand that after only having spend 15 years of actually doing stuff most people like you seem like gods to me, right? 21:41:58 jbo: how do i take a photograph of the matrix code of a CD using an iPhone? 21:42:40 lw, no idea. I never touched the stuff. 21:43:23 lw, on android I just use some random app using zxing under the hood 21:43:34 https://github.com/zxing-cpp/zxing-cpp 21:43:37 you never did it but you use zxing to do it? :) 21:44:07 lw, not on an iPhone 21:44:41 oh 21:44:54 no i don't want to scan the content of the barcode 21:44:55 imagine me actually reading your question carefully... :D 21:44:58 i literally just want a photograph of it 21:45:04 camera app?! 21:45:20 it's too reflective, it won't photograph properly 21:45:25 i think i need a flatbed scanner :( 21:45:26 wtf? 21:45:34 15 years is like, just a hair under half my life 21:45:49 kevans, don't remind me... I'm officially old nowdays .__. 21:45:55 =D 21:46:06 imagine humans not requiring 15 years to become "usable" 21:46:27 lw, so you have a compact disc, and there's a matrix code on it? 21:46:50 lw, surely, that matrix code is not on the "reflective" side of the disc but rather on the "label" side of the disc? 21:46:51 jbo: as there is on every CD, yes 21:46:57 i'm scared to see how functional my kids will be in 10, 12, 14 years. not even out of their teens yet 21:47:02 jbo: no, the matrix is printed on the 'reverse' side (the pressed side) 21:47:06 lw, are you sure that you're talking about matrix codes? 21:47:26 jbo: https://www.rushmediaprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/recognize-cds-using-matrix-and-sid-codes.jpg 21:47:45 kevans, I remember you talking about enjoying "new born smell" when I bothered you about arm-none-eabi-gcc initially. still thinking of that regularly :D 21:47:57 lw, different matrix code -__- 21:48:04 different to what?! 21:48:22 yeah, he's nearly 5 months old now, so that's how that project is going =-) 21:48:30 lw, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Matrix 21:48:36 ooh 21:48:39 kevans, congratulations :) 21:48:43 no not one of those, but now i see where the confusion came from 21:48:55 lw, <3 21:48:57 lw, kissy? 21:49:41 * kevans was trying to figure out the difference between that and a qr code, but guesses it's that the qr code is a special case with orienting features 21:49:58 yeah a (CD) matrix code is nothing to do with a 2D bar code, i didn't even know they were called matrix codes 21:50:05 it's just the text printed on the inside of a pressed CD 21:50:21 kevans, QR is a type of 2D core, and so is the matrix code. 21:50:31 * jbo actually implemented parsers for this type of thing 21:50:39 hence the confusion with lw 21:51:00 lw, so... XY-problem... what are you trying to achieve here? 21:51:18 jw: i want to take a photograph of the matrix and then upload it to musicbrainz 21:51:31 music nerds care about having a photo of the matrix because it lets you identify different pressings of the same release 21:51:37 god I hate Matrix Code 21:51:51 omg stop sending me messages on signal while i'm talking to you here 21:51:58 how many communications channels do we need 21:52:04 lw, why tf are you not just using audio/cyanrip? 21:52:20 i don't want to rip the CD 21:52:25 it creates a disc ID for you 21:52:28 I understand 2D bar code, and I understand QR, but matrix codes are hell 21:52:33 i already have the disc ID, that's not the same thing 21:52:38 the disc ID is just a hash of the CDDA TOC 21:52:44 antranigv, I disagree - but that is fine. 21:52:59 what's the difference between specialized software and camera to take a picture of it? some masking of the reflective surface? 21:53:09 lw, so you're literally asking me how to take a photograph? 21:53:21 .... 21:53:22 jbo please please please, help me understand like I'm 5 :D I think I never had a proper guide for matrix code. 21:53:25 * kevans thinks we just asked the same question 21:53:35 jbo: stop sending messages and wait, i will send you an example of the problem 21:53:41 antranigv, the wikipedia article should provide a very good entry point. 21:53:57 lw, the one thing I can do reliably is waiting.... asking kevans :D 21:54:17 he still refuses to work on gcc stuff, but my patience knows no bounds. 21:54:20 jbo I read that like 5 times in the last 2 years. never was able to get 100%. every time I try to guess what the outcome is gonna be, I get it wrong 21:54:21 this conversation is over my head 21:54:34 while I can "write" a QR code using my brain! 21:54:40 jbo: https://i.imgur.com/SMUK9vZ.jpeg - look at how reflective it is and how the text is covered by a reflection of my hand 21:54:40 draw, I guess, is the right term. 21:54:46 i want a copy of what's printed on the CD without the reflections 21:55:18 lw wait, you burnin or rippin ? 21:55:23 lw, ur doing it wrong 21:55:42 lw, but I wouldn't know how to do better. my business partner is a professional photographer but he's currently out enjoying life 21:56:01 need a camera mount and a box 21:56:12 lw, from what I know: don't use flash 21:56:25 lw, get proper high-volume light on that thing with some diffusers 21:56:27 yeah, but also set the saturation to zero 21:56:28 wait 21:56:32 I can modify the uploaded image 21:56:38 but I honestly don't know what I'm talking about 21:56:53 jbo what do you want the final outcome to be? 21:57:02 or be *like* 21:57:03 antranigv, wrong destination... 21:57:15 I was picturing a professional photographer setup with a solid color backdrop in front of and behind the subject 21:57:18 the final outcome I want is for kevans to make arm-gcc-none-eabi usable :p 21:57:42 ahahaahahaha 21:57:43 antranigv: i appreciate the offer but i have like 30 CDs i need to photograph 21:57:50 so i need to find the right way to do it myself :-) 21:58:02 really I'm hoping some other sucker wants libstdc++ and understands the gcc build 21:58:16 but my ability to build the thing over and over again or not is an impediment 21:58:30 if I can figure out the magic foruma in my editor, you should be able to do it with a regular phone + GIMP/ImageDoctorStrange 21:58:36 I want to build a NAS that can double as a competent builder at some point, but that's not in the budget for a while yet 21:58:48 kevans I can donate that 21:58:55 how much storage we're speaking? 21:59:16 can the "host" be AMD? or does it have to be ARM? 21:59:28 host can be whatever 21:59:45 kevans, I have a threadripper 7960x - but not the skills 22:00:21 oh my god you're still talking about your new CPU 22:00:23 kevans send me an SSH key over DM. I'll send you the access. OS on NVMe and a NAS? how much mem and CPU? 22:00:31 lw, sorry mate - I am truly not a source of wisedom for photography. do you hate me now AGAIN/ 22:00:45 no but i haven't read all that spam you sent me on signal yet, let's see 22:01:02 my spam is personally - so better keep it that way. 22:01:06 This is why I text lw once a year, so he doesn't hate me 22:01:12 antranigv: ah, no worries; the other machine I typically use will become available again at some point 22:01:20 jbo: ok so to your first point, you can't visit me without knowing my address, i will sell you a copy of my address for £1,600 22:01:22 antranigv, lw just hates everybody by default 22:01:24 it's hard to beat an 80-core monster with lots of RAM 22:02:34 I was gonna suggest 96 core with 256GB of RAM, but ok 22:03:27 oh sorry, 48 cores. damn I forgot about my OmniOS build machine 22:03:34 is it a flexing contest now? 22:03:44 jbo if it was, then I lost 22:04:01 the 160 core mammoth is currently running linux 22:04:07 actually I could run a VM on that 22:04:12 can I play? 22:04:19 WHERE ARE MY CORES! oh of course Ubuntu needs 128 cores to do *checks notes* shitty scientific Python code 22:04:33 Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Fedora release 41 (Rawhide) • CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2696 v4 @ 2.20GHz (2.80GHz) • Memory: 245.7 GiB Total (234.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 379.2 TB / 515.4 TB (136.3 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation AD104 [GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER] @ Intel Corporation Xeon E7 v4/Xeon E5 v4/Xeon E3 v4/Xeon D DMI2 • Uptime: 1h 30m 8s 22:04:41 i have 8 cores and i write code like someone with 128 cores! (am i doing this right) 22:05:01 lw javascript developer? is that you? 22:05:22 antranigv: other way around, the JS developer needs 256 cores to write code as good as mine 22:06:11 lw btw, the angle is clearly right in the image. but the lighting is the issue. there's a shadow from the top that's blocking it, if you want a clear 2D barcode image. 22:06:46 did I win? 22:06:56 SponiX not close enough :P 22:07:31 Oh, I didn't even notice this was the FreeBSD channel. here I am with my Linux all showing 22:07:37 SponiX but gotta say, that's impressive storage. please tell me it's ZFS! 22:07:54 SponiX it's okay, we don't do distro wars. oh way, we don't even have distros 22:08:16 s/way/wait 22:09:04 antranigv: i'm not looking for just the barcode but the entire centre part of the disc including the other text ('CA ALM17224) 22:09:24 which is printed on the same reflective surface that's obscured by my finger and my phone 22:09:53 lw, have you tried to angle? 22:10:12 AFAIK those things are not exactly visible by bare eye straight on either 22:10:17 no but if my scanner plan doesn't work i might try that tomorrow... feels like it would need a fairly extremely angle though 22:10:29 have you considered using one of those flat bed scanners? 22:10:43 :-) 22:10:47 kevin i literally just said 22:10:56 woah now, those are fighting words 22:10:59 have you considered just... writing a note on the CD? assuming it's one sided? 22:11:00 :-d 22:11:06 kevans, lw is.... agressive :p 22:11:19 antranigv: i'd love to but musicbrainz seems to have no text field for this? i might submit that as a bug though 22:11:21 antranigv: I have two arrays that are a btrfs raid1c3 and a raid10. No ZFS at all 22:11:38 SponiX that makes me sad. 22:11:44 this is much easier on discogs.com where everyone just enters the ifpi/matrix as text 22:11:45 the last person that called me kevin ended up in a hole. a financial one because they didn't have a very good personal fiscal policy, but still 22:11:45 lol'd 22:12:04 antranigv: reason being that I buy used mismatched sized disks that btrfs still allows me to use in an array 22:12:04 LOL 22:12:24 kevans, the giga move would be to name your child kevin 22:12:37 i tried, my wife wasn't a fan 22:12:46 she thought it'd be confusing for kevin to have an uncle kevin for some reason 22:12:51 SponiX wait, you can do the same with ZFS o.O did I forget about this since I've been buying matched disks? 22:13:00 jbo: Kevin Jr. 22:13:07 or Kevan Jr.? 22:13:08 I don't know _ANY_ sane kevin. I know several kevins, and they are all.... well kevins. 22:13:49 antranigv: my disk are not just mixed brands and such, they are all different sizes within the same arrays also 22:14:01 jbo: i was about to say "what about Kevin Mitnick", then i realised i was confusing him with Kirk McKusick 22:14:18 SponiX I have to try a similar setup with ZFS and truncate, just to be sure. 22:14:21 +1 for Mitnick 22:15:09 Sad thing is, after he passed away, a family member calls me from the US and says "oh btw a very far family member passed away, have you heard of Kevin Mitnick? I think he also works with computers like you" 22:15:46 jbo: fun fact, i used to know someone who was related to djb, and he got so annoyed that everyone he met said "oh you're related to djb, that arsehole?" 22:15:57 I'm like "whaaaaaa, Kevin is family? how?" turns out his grandmother and my great grandfather were cousins or something. 22:15:59 * kevans cackles 22:16:27 antranigv: "His father was Alan Mitnick, his mother was Shelly Jaffe, and his maternal grandmother was Reba Vartanian" seems like a reasonable connection, yeah 22:16:40 antranigv: if that is something that can be done with ZFS now, I haven't heard of the change 22:18:54 SponiX: what, be cousins? 22:19:02 am i getting conversations confused here 22:19:28 lw, who tf is djb? 22:19:36 lw: I have been talking to antranigv. That is why I have his nick prefixed before my messages 22:19:48 jbo: daniel bernsteib of djbdns, qmail, etc 22:20:00 bernstein 22:20:00 jbo: djb is a math teacher that programmed some software to prove it can be done securely 22:20:02 oh lol that guy 22:20:34 SponiX: yeah it was antranigv who mentioned having a cousin though so my question is still reasonable 22:21:05 did I miss a message? lol 22:21:58 having a family tree that goes back to 1500s, yet I'm the only person using FreeBSD, makes me sad 22:22:13 (well, except my mom and dad ofc) 22:24:04 kevans btw, what about Chris? then he'll be Chris Evans, so totally ungoogle-able, if that's something you'd want. 22:26:09 you'd think a particular name would be ungoogleable, but until recently you could call your child "Bisexual Jones" and they'd be ungoogleable... now look at where they'd be 22:28:28 hah