does bhyve do nested yet? i mean like freebsd host can run freebsd guest in bhyve vm but can the guest run a bhyve guest inside IT?

polyex: no

well, this is confusing. I just ran pkg upgrade, which did not upgrade picom at all, yet now running picom noticeably shifts the hue of my screen

it shifts everything towards blue

it's not a gamma ramp effect like what redshift does, since this actually shows up in screenshots

almost wanna blame mesa-devel, since that did just receive an update. I think I initially installed that because VAAPI in Firefox wasn't working properly without it, which maybe mesa 24.0.x has fixed in the meantime. I guess I'll check

not entirely sure how to swap between mesa and mesa-devel without just uninstalling the latter, bit inconvenient

indeed, it's an issue with mesa-devel

Hi. There may be some issues with git.FreeBSD.org - "unable to access 'git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': The requested URL returned error: 500"

works for me (tm)

[simeons@SN5271 ~]$ git clone -o freebsd -b main git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git

Cloning into 'ports'...

fatal: unable to access 'git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': The requested URL returned error: 500

sgs: hmm works for me :D

I just pulled from it

yourfate: Code 500 sent from the server should not mean... "But it works for me"... It means that the server reported a server side problem... Hopefully logged... and fixed

however, I hope you agree that trying it on a different machine in a different location does have value.

I've found an interesting behavior with the nvme bhyve disk device for some Linux hosts, under substantial host load, the disk seems to "crash" or error for the VM, which panicks the linux kernel v_v

Greetings. Can I use headphones(with Jack 3mm cable)while using laptop's internal microphone? If it is possible, could you please share a manual page or doc?

hello all - is any desktop app for freebsd that can create virtual machines with bhyve ? (similar to Virt-Manager in linux?)

acu: I only know vm-bhyve. Available in the repository.

pr-asadi: thanks, last I remember though vm-bhyve was a cli wraper, not a GUI app, but I can look again at it ...

is any common way to have virtual machines easily moved from kvm to bhyve infrastructure (except raw - which will make impossible to handle if you have 2 TB vmachines) ?

I assume that raw cannot be sparse

acu this looks interesting: github.com/DaVieS007/bhyve-webadmin but i haven't tried it yet

scoobybejesus, thanks, it is proprietary... not interested in spending neurons in dead-end projects... though it looks cool and well put together....--- I need one app for desktop (similar to virt-manager) also I tried and run for almost a year - clonos *whihch is cbsd web integrated solution ---- it was pretty good...my partners force me to move back to proxmox.... later versions are mindblowingly well done - with horizontal scale

options... just amazing... but I still want to start using again freebsd... though for small companies... it is almost suicidal... the 10-20% more time needed to setup, tune, and maintain freebsd based solutions makes it unviable...

acu: sorry, where do you get that 20% more time needed?

Exactly. For me, personally, FBSD deploys much faster than nearly anything else.

From runing freebsd on servers and destkops for 2 years...

business deployments are different than personal ones

especially when it is on bare metal instead of a VM, the ZFS integration with OS updates is brilliant

acu: These are business deployments.

acu: exactly. and in business deployments i always have to chronically spend time whittling down and securing whatever linux appliance or application i'm given

they install the world, without a clue.

freebsd tends to be much more minimal

Demosthenex, may I ask what kind of servers (purpose) and infrastructure did you deploy ?

cbsd is the other one i was thinking about that i couldn't remember

scoobybejesus, yes cbsd and clonos are pretty cool, there were issues with multiple storage options, needed know-how for backup and recovery for infrastructure (host or vmachines) etc... but it was closest to something really useful (the others options are good for fun projects, not for production)

acu: i do aix, linux, freebsd and more, but i specialize in large db servers. no crappy web front ends here.

nice... can you exemplify the freebsd deployments a bit more ?

unfortunately for me, that's been mostly assisting with netscalar (embedded freebsd) and small fileservers. otoh, the pain points i encounter coming from aix to linux are mostly resolved in freebsd.

i mostly work with oracle, IRIS/cache, and other proprietary dbs

but i work on bare metal first, so backup/restore and system maintenance are high on my list. the trend with simple point and click VMs has no relevance

i think you may have a point it can take longer to do initial setup on freebsd solutions, but maintaining should be drastically lower than linux. less routine breakage, better bare metal support, integrated snapshots, etc.

Demosthenex, do you know anyone who is knows well IBM z14 ?

AIX is IBM unix --- I know Z14 were released both with linux or unix OS, but I am really looking for someone with handson experience on this - Z14 or Z15

mainframe? unfortunately not. it's the grandparent of the systems i work on

AIX is IBM's unix, but it's bsd like. its not mainframe. the hardware is exceptional and rooted in mainframes

Demosthenex: it's only BSD like in the sense that SVR4 had certain BSD features

it's still classic proprietary SVR4

duncan: i figured someone more into unix history would correct me! ty =]

it's also distinctly not linux! not quite as small as freebsd though

I had several IBM servers, they were x86 - superior engineering...compare to dell or hp... anyhow, all will be history soon... gpu computing will replace most datacenters as they are now...

that is why, I will try to see if I can run inference on freebsd machines with nvidia graphics (of course I will try with AMD when ready).... but I feel that freebsd needs a new strategy... I know its catch 22...

x86 is a steaming pile.

consumer hardware != a server

I got really excited at the notion of the Talos workstation being a piece of PPC64 hardware I could buy, then it turned out that IBM don't let us run AIX on OpenPower, only their own hardware

your toyota driver can carry a sofa. dump 30 tons of coal in it, it'll break. mining trucks exist for a reason

duncan: yeah, but you can run freebsd and linux on it. aix will always remain locked to their hw

AIX is certainly UNIX in the sense that you can't buy it for wont or money as an individual or small business

yeah, its for specific large applications. the low end has mostly gone to linux

there is horizontal scaling...

even proxmox does that

at compute, storage and network...

not tether to proprietary stuff...

absolutely not.

there is horizontal scaling for webapp frontends, but most DB's don't scale horiz

especially the big proprietary ones

and most biz app vendors couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag, it's shameful. i'd never try to push a concurrent DB on those morons

so maybe i'm qualified to work for a biz app vendor. nice sorry for OT

scoobybejesus: half of them want the whole system chmod 777

the other half want root when they shouldn't have it

actually sysadmin'ing is really interesting stuff. principle of least privilege and whatnot. coding has it's own challenges, but standing up services that need to play nicely while keeping the system secure... i love that stuff

scoobybejesus: finally getting serious with cybersecurity backing admins on keeping things locked down

anyhow, it would be interesting to profile few small/medium IT companies that have survived providing freebsd solutions... then we can see how they did it...and possibly replicate it...

I am not aware of any

I am thinking why don't we have a vendor summit in Chicago IL and Houston Tx - where both providers and potential clients could meet... sorry I am talking loud... I know this is technical support channel...

where does FreeBSD stand w.r.t. the ssh bug? I note that the -current version of ssh is in the vulnerable set.

zBeeble: freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-24:04.openssh.asc

I believe that answers your question

i set the logingracetimeout to 0, and hit save in puppet. within a half hour everything had it.

acu: In case you have not read this: forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-graphical-control-panel.85365

I don't see -CURRENT referenced with that CVE... is -CURRENT not vulnerable?

or not fixed?

current isn't a version

normally, don't we specify the time or the commit that fixes in -CURRENT?

no, just stable

hello I am having trouble to manage disk space

what can I do?

anyone here?

of course 688 people are here.... it will be helpful to ask properly the question: what OS are you running (version etc) what apps, what is your error, what are you trying to accomplish, how ?

Your question is vague, therefor people would not waste their time figuring out what is in your head. You need to spell it out wowzersbrain

freebsd 14.0 -release p3

basically I have a vps server running on vultr and all of a sudden I have a few small nothing websites with barely any traffic and everything all the 55gb got chewed up

wowzersbrain: /usr/bin/du is your friend

11 gb for database there is like 1 small database with maybe 1000 entries maximum ,

chewed up is not a technical term

what file system are you using ?

what tools did you use fdisk etc

then there's two wordpress sites one with woo commerce literally no sales so I don't see why there is no disk free

it's ufs

did you look at file size for all your files / directories ?

On linux, you can use ncdu to start from / to see what is using all the space.

do you know what is the error message dmesg ?

I forgot what the BSD equivalent is.

mysql is around 11gb I had to delete the freebsd rollback that was around 7gb

11GGB is large for wordpress - what the heck do you host on it?

ls -al

there can be anything, you did not describe the error, how do you know is storage ?

and by the way... restarting might help :)

thumbs: Good tip, ncdu is in ports too

Well, you should have applied the fix for the CVE and restarted as well.

91% space is used

Yeah, I would use ncdu from ports.

but the kindergarten troubleshooting starts with (reading) the error... thinking about it... and google it... you need to know where the error logs are... use common sense too...monitor the cpu - memory - storage usage...

Ok, so you have to find where is it used ? it can be a pile of errors building in months

maybe someone hacked you ? :)

they run games from your server ?

disk space not enough or whatever

ok - than you need to find where it is... where are your logs ?

sometimes they build big files if you did not partition properly... it will halt your system

I have logs

but there was too much disk space used is the issue in general

if you know where the websites are navigate there and do a ls -h

du is another way...

wowzersbrain: If your databases are taking up a lot more space than you expect them to, I'd start looking at what's in them

nothing special it doesn't make sense that it takes up and then it's the 40 other gb that doesn't make sense either

How did you get the 11GB number?

Worth noting that with MySQL, most of that space can be binlogs, if you have that enabled.

I probably have it enabled

Look deeper in /var and /var/db

Sorry, just /var/db

wowzersbrain, yes - and to ls -h :)

even your /var/log is big... means you accumulate log errors there too...

but definitely is your /var/db that has some giant files...

Either MySQL error log files, or binlogs, or data itself.

wowzersbrain, based on my assesment, you are pretty new, before dicking around and deleting files, I would clone the virtual machine, then play :)

thank you for the idea to do the clone

saves a lot of pain :)

rdbms have tools to deal with everything... that is the most sane to go about... I use mostly postgresql... but whatever db you have - use tools as much as possible for clearing caches etc...

I've seen many users enable binlogs and not limit them properly.

very likely...

Tons of fast errors can fill up the .err file too.

Step 1: investigate.

that is why, sometimes having proper partitioning matters too /var/log /var/db etc. can be in their partition

interesting so what should I do?

wowzersbrain: Find out what is using all the space first.

wowzersbrain: data, binlogs, error logs, or all of the above?

Hello, all. Am I fright in seeming to find FreeBSD unable to mount NTFS partitions?

ntfs-3g

^this one i mean

jauntyd, I see. Thanks. Funny that it failed to read the partition for ISO images on a Ventoy-formatted USB stick. Thank you.

yw

Does anybody here has the brightness controls of their laptop working via sysctl acpi?

I cannot seem to set them up on my HP laptop with an intel video. I loaded the modules i915,acpi_hp,acpi_video, and see the corresponding sysctl variables, but it shows my lcd.active = 0 and does not respoind to setting its .brightness

Can `pkg' list all /available/ packages for me?

jauntyd, that FuseFS driver is not for normal `mount -t ntfs', but for something else called FuseFS and reauiring a deamon to be running...

Reading: <forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-m…unting-ntfs-exfat-with-fusefs.82806>

Hmmmm. ntfg-3g says the device is not NTFS. mount -t msdosfs does not work, either, and my Windows XP can see that partiton without any problem. What FS can it be? How to check the device FS in FreeBSD?

gpart show reports the first partiton of /dev/da0 as ntfs

Yet: ntfs-3g /dev/da0st error out with: Invalid argument: /dev/da0s1 doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.

* I used: /dev/da0s1

jauntyd, have an idea where too look for the cause?

what is the command you are using to mount the NTFS partition?

jauntyd, ntfs-3g /dev/da0s2 /mnt/test

i wonder wtf changed in inetd from 13.2 to .3

src shows nothing

nevermind

thank you thumbs

also I don't know why I am using the other 40 gb

so 11gb is for mysql