00:56:54 does bhyve do nested yet? i mean like freebsd host can run freebsd guest in bhyve vm but can the guest run a bhyve guest inside IT? 02:06:20 polyex: no 04:39:31 well, this is confusing. I just ran pkg upgrade, which did not upgrade picom at all, yet now running picom noticeably shifts the hue of my screen 04:40:01 it shifts everything towards blue 04:41:09 it's not a gamma ramp effect like what redshift does, since this actually shows up in screenshots 04:44:18 almost wanna blame mesa-devel, since that did just receive an update. I think I initially installed that because VAAPI in Firefox wasn't working properly without it, which maybe mesa 24.0.x has fixed in the meantime. I guess I'll check 04:47:27 not entirely sure how to swap between mesa and mesa-devel without just uninstalling the latter, bit inconvenient 04:49:13 indeed, it's an issue with mesa-devel 05:14:05 Hi. There may be some issues with https://git.FreeBSD.org - "unable to access 'https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': The requested URL returned error: 500" 05:22:00 works for me (tm) 08:16:45 [simeons@SN5271 ~]$ git clone -o freebsd -b main https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git 08:16:47 Cloning into 'ports'... 08:16:49 fatal: unable to access 'https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': The requested URL returned error: 500 08:54:25 sgs: hmm works for me :D 08:54:28 I just pulled from it 09:21:20 yourfate: Code 500 sent from the server should not mean... "But it works for me"... It means that the server reported a server side problem... Hopefully logged... and fixed 11:41:38 however, I hope you agree that trying it on a different machine in a different location does have value. 14:21:37 I've found an interesting behavior with the nvme bhyve disk device for some Linux hosts, under substantial host load, the disk seems to "crash" or error for the VM, which panicks the linux kernel v_v 16:04:38 Greetings. Can I use headphones(with Jack 3mm cable)while using laptop's internal microphone? If it is possible, could you please share a manual page or doc? 16:05:49 hello all - is any desktop app for freebsd that can create virtual machines with bhyve ? (similar to Virt-Manager in linux?) 16:07:50 acu: I only know vm-bhyve. Available in the repository. 16:09:07 pr-asadi: thanks, last I remember though vm-bhyve was a cli wraper, not a GUI app, but I can look again at it ... 16:22:20 is any common way to have virtual machines easily moved from kvm to bhyve infrastructure (except raw - which will make impossible to handle if you have 2 TB vmachines) ? 16:22:45 I assume that raw cannot be sparse 16:37:00 acu this looks interesting: https://github.com/DaVieS007/bhyve-webadmin but i haven't tried it yet 16:42:34 scoobybejesus, thanks, it is proprietary... not interested in spending neurons in dead-end projects... though it looks cool and well put together....--- I need one app for desktop (similar to virt-manager) also I tried and run for almost a year - clonos *whihch is cbsd web integrated solution ---- it was pretty good...my partners force me to move back to proxmox.... later versions are mindblowingly well done - with horizontal scale 16:42:34 options... just amazing... but I still want to start using again freebsd... though for small companies... it is almost suicidal... the 10-20% more time needed to setup, tune, and maintain freebsd based solutions makes it unviable... 16:43:05 acu: sorry, where do you get that 20% more time needed? 16:43:34 Exactly. For me, personally, FBSD deploys much faster than nearly anything else. 16:43:34 From runing freebsd on servers and destkops for 2 years... 16:44:01 business deployments are different than personal ones 16:44:06 especially when it is on bare metal instead of a VM, the ZFS integration with OS updates is brilliant 16:44:22 acu: These are business deployments. 16:44:44 acu: exactly. and in business deployments i always have to chronically spend time whittling down and securing whatever linux appliance or application i'm given 16:44:52 they install the world, without a clue. 16:45:00 freebsd tends to be much more minimal 16:45:49 Demosthenex, may I ask what kind of servers (purpose) and infrastructure did you deploy ? 16:46:07 cbsd is the other one i was thinking about that i couldn't remember 16:47:47 scoobybejesus, yes cbsd and clonos are pretty cool, there were issues with multiple storage options, needed know-how for backup and recovery for infrastructure (host or vmachines) etc... but it was closest to something really useful (the others options are good for fun projects, not for production) 16:48:35 acu: i do aix, linux, freebsd and more, but i specialize in large db servers. no crappy web front ends here. 16:49:43 nice... can you exemplify the freebsd deployments a bit more ? 16:54:10 unfortunately for me, that's been mostly assisting with netscalar (embedded freebsd) and small fileservers. otoh, the pain points i encounter coming from aix to linux are mostly resolved in freebsd. 16:55:18 i mostly work with oracle, IRIS/cache, and other proprietary dbs 16:57:30 but i work on bare metal first, so backup/restore and system maintenance are high on my list. the trend with simple point and click VMs has no relevance 16:58:58 i think you may have a point it can take longer to do initial setup on freebsd solutions, but maintaining should be drastically lower than linux. less routine breakage, better bare metal support, integrated snapshots, etc. 16:59:41 Demosthenex, do you know anyone who is knows well IBM z14 ? 17:01:16 AIX is IBM unix --- I know Z14 were released both with linux or unix OS, but I am really looking for someone with handson experience on this - Z14 or Z15 17:01:26 mainframe? unfortunately not. it's the grandparent of the systems i work on 17:02:07 AIX is IBM's unix, but it's bsd like. its not mainframe. the hardware is exceptional and rooted in mainframes 17:02:55 Demosthenex: it's only BSD like in the sense that SVR4 had certain BSD features 17:03:16 it's still classic proprietary SVR4 17:03:42 duncan: i figured someone more into unix history would correct me! ty =] 17:04:17 it's also distinctly not linux! not quite as small as freebsd though 17:05:05 I had several IBM servers, they were x86 - superior engineering...compare to dell or hp... anyhow, all will be history soon... gpu computing will replace most datacenters as they are now... 17:06:57 that is why, I will try to see if I can run inference on freebsd machines with nvidia graphics (of course I will try with AMD when ready).... but I feel that freebsd needs a new strategy... I know its catch 22... 17:07:02 x86 is a steaming pile. 17:07:10 consumer hardware != a server 17:07:33 I got really excited at the notion of the Talos workstation being a piece of PPC64 hardware I could buy, then it turned out that IBM don't let us run AIX on OpenPower, only their own hardware 17:07:34 your toyota driver can carry a sofa. dump 30 tons of coal in it, it'll break. mining trucks exist for a reason 17:07:55 duncan: yeah, but you can run freebsd and linux on it. aix will always remain locked to their hw 17:07:58 AIX is certainly UNIX in the sense that you can't buy it for wont or money as an individual or small business 17:08:29 yeah, its for specific large applications. the low end has mostly gone to linux 17:08:54 there is horizontal scaling... 17:09:02 even proxmox does that 17:09:40 at compute, storage and network... 17:10:07 not tether to proprietary stuff... 17:11:24 absolutely not. 17:11:46 there is horizontal scaling for webapp frontends, but most DB's don't scale horiz 17:11:57 especially the big proprietary ones 17:12:34 and most biz app vendors couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag, it's shameful. i'd never try to push a concurrent DB on those morons 17:16:04 so maybe i'm qualified to work for a biz app vendor. nice sorry for OT 17:17:05 scoobybejesus: half of them want the whole system chmod 777 17:17:27 the other half want root when they shouldn't have it 17:18:48 actually sysadmin'ing is really interesting stuff. principle of least privilege and whatnot. coding has it's own challenges, but standing up services that need to play nicely while keeping the system secure... i love that stuff 17:19:57 scoobybejesus: finally getting serious with cybersecurity backing admins on keeping things locked down 17:23:22 anyhow, it would be interesting to profile few small/medium IT companies that have survived providing freebsd solutions... then we can see how they did it...and possibly replicate it... 17:23:35 I am not aware of any 17:25:58 I am thinking why don't we have a vendor summit in Chicago IL and Houston Tx - where both providers and potential clients could meet... sorry I am talking loud... I know this is technical support channel... 17:28:49 where does FreeBSD stand w.r.t. the ssh bug? I note that the -current version of ssh is in the vulnerable set. 17:31:34 zBeeble: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-24:04.openssh.asc 17:31:59 I believe that answers your question 17:33:34 i set the logingracetimeout to 0, and hit save in puppet. within a half hour everything had it. 17:35:20 acu: In case you have not read this: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-graphical-control-panel.85365/ 17:39:26 I don't see -CURRENT referenced with that CVE... is -CURRENT not vulnerable? 17:40:46 or not fixed? 17:43:05 current isn't a version 17:45:35 normally, don't we specify the time or the commit that fixes in -CURRENT? 17:48:07 no, just stable 18:36:53 hello I am having trouble to manage disk space 18:36:59 what can I do? 18:39:33 anyone here? 18:40:29 of course 688 people are here.... it will be helpful to ask properly the question: what OS are you running (version etc) what apps, what is your error, what are you trying to accomplish, how ? 18:41:14 Your question is vague, therefor people would not waste their time figuring out what is in your head. You need to spell it out wowzersbrain 18:41:20 freebsd 14.0 -release p3 18:41:51 basically I have a vps server running on vultr and all of a sudden I have a few small nothing websites with barely any traffic and everything all the 55gb got chewed up 18:42:24 wowzersbrain: /usr/bin/du is your friend 18:42:29 11 gb for database there is like 1 small database with maybe 1000 entries maximum , 18:42:33 chewed up is not a technical term 18:42:42 what file system are you using ? 18:43:00 what tools did you use fdisk etc 18:43:04 then there's two wordpress sites one with woo commerce literally no sales so I don't see why there is no disk free 18:43:14 it's ufs 18:43:56 did you look at file size for all your files / directories ? 18:43:59 On linux, you can use ncdu to start from / to see what is using all the space. 18:44:11 do you know what is the error message dmesg ? 18:44:12 I forgot what the BSD equivalent is. 18:44:17 mysql is around 11gb I had to delete the freebsd rollback that was around 7gb 18:44:46 11GGB is large for wordpress - what the heck do you host on it? 18:45:25 ls -al 18:45:56 there can be anything, you did not describe the error, how do you know is storage ? 18:46:10 and by the way... restarting might help :) 18:46:57 thumbs: Good tip, ncdu is in ports too 18:47:02 Well, you should have applied the fix for the CVE and restarted as well. 18:47:25 https://videotron.eu/pastebin/?8bcc50d5939fcbac#2zXkDEYuMsgvSBPwZ2bCbJ5vAi4vpKKAyQaNHp7edMTA 18:47:42 91% space is used 18:48:06 Yeah, I would use ncdu from ports. 18:48:22 but the kindergarten troubleshooting starts with (reading) the error... thinking about it... and google it... you need to know where the error logs are... use common sense too...monitor the cpu - memory - storage usage... 18:48:58 Ok, so you have to find where is it used ? it can be a pile of errors building in months 18:49:33 maybe someone hacked you ? :) 18:49:43 they run games from your server ? 18:50:05 disk space not enough or whatever 18:50:22 ok - than you need to find where it is... where are your logs ? 18:50:45 sometimes they build big files if you did not partition properly... it will halt your system 18:50:46 I have logs 18:50:58 but there was too much disk space used is the issue in general 18:51:07 if you know where the websites are navigate there and do a ls -h 18:51:29 du is another way... 18:52:59 wowzersbrain: If your databases are taking up a lot more space than you expect them to, I'd start looking at what's in them 18:53:33 nothing special it doesn't make sense that it takes up and then it's the 40 other gb that doesn't make sense either 18:53:59 How did you get the 11GB number? 18:54:09 Worth noting that with MySQL, most of that space can be binlogs, if you have that enabled. 18:57:38 I probably have it enabled 18:58:14 https://termbin.com/2c7k 19:04:10 Look deeper in /var and /var/db 19:04:41 Sorry, just /var/db 19:08:56 wowzersbrain, yes - and to ls -h :) 19:09:50 even your /var/log is big... means you accumulate log errors there too... 19:11:01 but definitely is your /var/db that has some giant files... 19:12:12 Either MySQL error log files, or binlogs, or data itself. 19:14:04 wowzersbrain, based on my assesment, you are pretty new, before dicking around and deleting files, I would clone the virtual machine, then play :) 19:14:28 thank you for the idea to do the clone 19:14:53 saves a lot of pain :) 19:16:11 rdbms have tools to deal with everything... that is the most sane to go about... I use mostly postgresql... but whatever db you have - use tools as much as possible for clearing caches etc... 19:16:36 I've seen many users enable binlogs and not limit them properly. 19:16:53 very likely... 19:17:18 Tons of fast errors can fill up the .err file too. 19:17:29 Step 1: investigate. 19:17:40 that is why, sometimes having proper partitioning matters too /var/log /var/db etc. can be in their partition 19:26:12 interesting so what should I do? 19:36:27 wowzersbrain: Find out what is using all the space first. 19:36:38 wowzersbrain: data, binlogs, error logs, or all of the above? 20:15:40 Hello, all. Am I fright in seeming to find FreeBSD unable to mount NTFS partitions? 20:18:09 ntfs-3g 20:18:56 https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs/ 20:19:01 ^this one i mean 20:20:25 jauntyd, I see. Thanks. Funny that it failed to read the partition for ISO images on a Ventoy-formatted USB stick. Thank you. 20:43:08 yw 20:44:12 Does anybody here has the brightness controls of their laptop working via sysctl acpi? 20:46:55 I cannot seem to set them up on my HP laptop with an intel video. I loaded the modules i915,acpi_hp,acpi_video, and see the corresponding sysctl variables, but it shows my lcd.active = 0 and does not respoind to setting its .brightness 20:58:57 Can `pkg' list all /available/ packages for me? 21:01:34 jauntyd, that FuseFS driver is not for normal `mount -t ntfs', but for something else called FuseFS and reauiring a deamon to be running... 21:04:38 Reading: 21:06:25 Hmmmm. ntfg-3g says the device is not NTFS. mount -t msdosfs does not work, either, and my Windows XP can see that partiton without any problem. What FS can it be? How to check the device FS in FreeBSD? 21:14:31 gpart show reports the first partiton of /dev/da0 as ntfs 21:16:19 Yet: ntfs-3g /dev/da0st error out with: Invalid argument: /dev/da0s1 doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. 21:17:08 * I used: /dev/da0s1 21:17:59 jauntyd, have an idea where too look for the cause? 21:54:44 what is the command you are using to mount the NTFS partition? 22:11:52 jauntyd, ntfs-3g /dev/da0s2 /mnt/test 23:35:50 i wonder wtf changed in inetd from 13.2 to .3 23:36:01 src shows nothing 23:46:32 nevermind 23:51:05 thank you thumbs 23:52:11 also I don't know why I am using the other 40 gb 23:52:34 so 11gb is for mysql