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Howdy, folks!

o/

Managed to change my VT font to be the tom-thumb 4x6 font.

At least i can display more characters now.

lol

Though, i've only set it via vidfont, but not in a way where it's set on (re)boot.

It looks cool though.

antranigv you ok?

polyex yes, sorry, been trying to fix this AMDGPU issue...

Tried OCR-ing a screenshot of a failed kernel boot log with 8x8 font and it was very bad

well so did it work?

polyex I was not able to get it to work on Jails. but I think there's a workaround

what's the workaround?

the only workaround i found was not using mac, then setting reserved low port down to 0

but that's a blunt weapon

Has anyone ever got Venus XT [Radeon HD 8870M / R9 M270X/M370X] to work with Xorg?

antranigv so that's 1 limitation in jails i found. i found 1 other wanna know what it is?

polyex possibly could be a simple fix, but still going over the code. MAC is a bit new for me.

polyex what's the other one?

ok well cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net/wireshark/pkg-message#n13 doesn't work. making the rules perm i mean. so i have to put them in /etc/rc.local it's so dirty

Title: pkg-message « wireshark « net - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

how to restart sound sub-system in FreeBSD?

antranigv ok you won't believe this. so i have the devfs unmounts going on my jails and it works, no error window after bsdinstall finishes. but then i comment out the code running mount and grep, and also the sleep 60 command i was using to make the mount output readable, and the busy error came back!

so now i'm trying it with the mount line commented out, but sleep 60 uncommented

Managed to set up some external speakers, and install lynx and openmpt123.

Works pretty darn well, other than the external speakers having stereo support being a bit goofed up.

But lucky, i don't mind that much.

antranigv ok with sleep 60 in, error went away again wtf

Yep, xmp works as well. (And so does every other program that uses libxmp by that extent)

antranigv reduced sleep to 5, error came back. trying 30s now

antranigv 15s causes error, trying 20 now

20 errors, trying 25 now

i have a question that is really pushing the limits of "on topic", however....

as a life long mac user, when i need a computer, I buy a Mac at a place that sells macs.

But if I'm setting up a freeBSD server. what do i pick for hardware?

It needs to be a 1U server, ideally new/newer, but at the same time, I really don't need more power than what you might find in a DDR3 era computer system

so something relatively low end, but reliable and affordable

25 errors trying 29 now

GoSox: i run freebsd on both dell 2u and supermicro servers

but my first several freebsd machines were hand-me-down hardware franken-servers

antranigv 29 seconds worked. running 2 more times to verify

GoSox: Anything 1U is going to be stupid loud

If only looking for a mid-range system. Might as well get a used workstations like the HP Z440, or a NUC

antranigv ok 2nd run of 29s failed. gonna try 30 again

in unattended bsdinstall installerconfig, i service start a jail, config it with jexec, service stop it, jls confirms it's stopped. but zfs umount ... errors: cannot unmount ... pool or dataset is busy. why pls? i unmount the jail's devfs and it kinda works, but only when i umount then 'sleep' for >30s. (29s sometimes worked)

>=30

well, you could always run sync and forcably unmount it

run sync after unmounting devfs?

yeah.

so you're thinking i'm hitting some indeterminism and the sleep is just a bandaid?

you can't run .. fstat or anything to see if anything else has this open?

offtopic: anything left out of #not-##freebsd @freenode around here?

it's a jail's mountpoint

i understand that

rtprio btw i do verify that devfs is gone because i run mount | grep dev

but if zfs-unmount thinks something has it open, then you're best to figure out what that is

you think devfs can be unmounted but have the jail's mountpoint still be busy?

yes, like if you have a process that's cd'd into that directory

so fstat from the jail host obviously, after the service jail stop myjail and unmount of its devfs?

right

how many places are you deploying this installer with the jail

pass FS path or mountpoint to fstat? like fstat /jails/jail/myjail ??

eventually a bunch but for now just local bhyve vm

perhaps read the man page

file path

how does that work? i have a text file open in ~/foo, but fstat ~/foo has no records

i would not rely on ~ expansion

also the parameter is 'fstat -f /usr/home'

btw ok i ran bsdinstall 6 times with 30s sleep. 1 error 5 success

gonna run fstat now

maybe the devfs unmount solution wasn't even a solution, we'll find out

ok, what happened

jbo: I used to use DWM for a long time, but at one point you'll patch it so hard in order to get rid of the Linuxisms, you'll end up with a buggy mess. So I ended up switching to CWM instead, which already works equally well on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Linux.

saper | CrtxReavr: CDE is abandonware, but there is NsCDE which tries to replicate the look and feel of CDE using fvwm.

I was considering running that for the lolz

rtprio so i ls -la the jail path to make sure it's really there. then fstat -f /path/to/jail but none listed

the column headers like user and cmd, but no entries

how do i try the sync idea you had?

oh just run 'sync'?

sync; sync; sync; zfs umount -f

why 3 times?

old habits die hard, perhaps

kevans you ever ran into this issue?

nope

dang

but nothing is mounted inside?

in the jail?

yeah

no nullfs mounts, no devfs mounts, no datasets

devfs i guess. but does it matter when the service jail stop myjail has been confirmed with jls?

yes, because i'm pretty sure jail(8) isn't doing any mounting or unmounting on its own

ah, there are mount.* flags now

i have mount.devfs for jails

you should still confirm manually that the mount isn't there anymore

especially since you're having a problem unmounting

with mount | grep dev on the jail host?

yes, or just grep the mountpoint to see if maybe there's something else

ok so i'll test service jail stop myjail, then i umount /path/to/jail/dev, then zfs snapshot, then mount | grep, then zfs umount /path/to/jail

says pool or dataset is busy

so what am i doing wrong? i unmount the devfs for the jail

oh ill try putting sync before the zfs umount

ok tried sync, still get error

maybe some process is running

in the jail?

in this directory, try to forcibly umount

ok took out sync, trying -f on zfs umount ... now

ok well with -f the error went away

there any other solution than forcing tho?

find this process

the process would be in the jail?

running shell with cwd to mounted dir will also prevent umount

but i don't do that

jls confirms the jail isnt running, but it could still have a process running?

probably not

ps -J 1,2,3,4

maybe jid was higher than 4 ?

so what's keeping pool/dataset busy?

one of the processes on the host or maybe mounted subid

but if you have umounted nested shares then the process is preventing umount

procstat -a pwdx | grep mountpoint

polyex: ^^^

polyex: do you run only FreeBSD or other BSDs too ?

only freebsd

i'll try procstat line

ya procstat outputs nothing matching the mount point

that's good

any other ideas?

there are still plenty of ideas, for example directory was shared via NFS

no

I have to get back to work, thanks for the conversation polyex, have a nice troubleshooting !

ty

why do i use umount on the jail's devfs? should i be using zfs unmount on it?

ah no

ok well i can't figure it out i'm just gonna use zfs unmount -f i guess

remiliascarlet: Linuxisms? I use x11-wm/dwm port with my config.h (124 lines)

remiliascarlet: Depending on the definition of abandonware - The OpenGroup officially released the sources (if you mean the code died as proprietary), last new release is from November 2023 (if you mean nobody cares)

saper: There are patch makers that employ Linuxisms unfortunately.

remiliascarlet: you mean those extra patches from people using dwm, not the dwm itself?

i use XFCE across both FreeBSD UNIX and Slackware GNU/Linux (since 1997 when I started using them, FreeBSD was still called UNIX in official documentation and I also read & post to nntp:comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.* )

i noticed recently in FreeBSD I'm missing some settings in XFCE after this

darwin: slackware has more features than the FreeBSD port?

no

some standard settings are now missing

for example desktop

saper: Yes.

darwin: I am sorry, I don't know what you mean (not using xfce)

remiliascarlet: now I get it. I don't use any, that's probably why I am happy with dwm as it is ...

darwin: I always found Xfce to be lacking as a DE, although seems to be the only DE left that isn't trying so hard to push Wayland onto everybody.

Even MATE is going all on in Wayland, which then sparked an X11-only fork called "OpenMATE".

settings->desktop

changing background, etc.

darwin: what does "pkg info -x xfce" say? see if I can reproduce

libxfce4menu-4.18.6 libxfce4util-4.18.2 xfce-icons-elementary-0.19 xfce4-appfinder-4.18.1_2 xfce4-conf-4.18.3 xfce4-notifyd-0.9.4_1

xfce4-panel-4.18.6 xfce4-power-manager-4.18.4 xfce4-session-4.18.4 xfce4-settings-4.18.5 xfce4-terminal-1.1.3 xfce4-tumbler-4.18.2_2 xfce4-wm-4.18.0_3 xfce4-wm-themes-4.10.0_2

darwin: thx will try

i used ZFS to run it on both. I wrote the instructions for that on the docs.slackware.com site

i'll be back later

darwin: on a fresh install, it works, but of course this is expected

darwin: looks like you might be missing /usr/local/bin/xfdesktop-settings which come via xfce4-desktop package. You might want to "pkg install xfce" again.

one of the big problems with so-called desktop environments is that stderr of the programs started gets usually lost

saper i had to resort to using -f in zfs unmount -f /path/to/jail to get busy error to go away

yep

thanks

kevans: I should have cc'd you on lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-xen/2024-June/000204.html - the other address was bugs in the copy

Title: 13.2-RELEASE-p11 dom0 fails to boot unlike -p10

ended up using SCFB

Somehow AMDGPU is not working

I keep getting "Returned 2" or "returned 22"

i have a weird issue with boot environments.. bectl list nicely shows them, but when i activate a different one, it only seems to load that kernel, but not the / (using 14.1-RELEASE and -STABLE)?

and all datasets are canmount=noauto

saper i had to resort to using -f in zfs unmount -f /path/to/jail to get busy error to go away

antranigv ^

hey about jails, would anyone want an "after" directive that orders a jail after 1 or more others? because depend means DO NOT start unless dependent jail(s) are started. after would mean DO order the startup of a jail after 1 or more others

because i REALLY want that feature

polyex what do you mean?

polyex if you start app0, make sure db0 is up

but if you start db0, make sure app0 is up?

while I love the idea, it's a mess in real-life, what if you're doing changes in app0? you see what I mean?

depend: app0 depends on db0. after: start logprocessor0 after app0, db0. but there's no reason it can't start if they aren't started

depend and after are saying 2 different things that only overlap on the question of startup order

dependency is local to a jail. but after is local to an rc context and not a jail

ah lol, the new BE had a explicit mountfrom= in /boot/loader.conf -.-

should I enable HDD/SSD & RAM power down modes if I'm running FreeBSD (or similar)?

ascreen: Today spent half a day fighting boot environments - I suspect one of my disks (a mirror) was missing gptzfsboot or something like that - temporary boot (activate -t) didn't work at all

polyex: this is actually one of the problems of systemd - it starts "jobs" starting services, but it does not know or care if things are really up

saper "this is"... what's this?

polyex: sorry I misread your "after" directive description

so do you like the idea?

no, depends was enough so far here

so an idea is only good to you if you need and use it?

i would just make those services more robust to tolerate not having a database connection

what services? did you even read? there was 1 service that depended on the db

and anyway you made my point. 'after' directive would be a useful replacement for 'depend' often times

is it normal for there to be a /entropy file in /

does that serve a purpose similar to /dev/random or whatever?

levitating_ i have it

dvl what's your latest smb4.conf? can you share it? the old one is not working with samba419

how do I configure upowerd? my laptop is not boosting

powerd?

read man powerd yet?

polyex yes but I can't find anything about boosting/turboing specifically

this cpu should have a 1400Mhz to 17000Mhz range

but the ability to temporarily boost much higher

set max profile first

mode

-r too, not sure what it does tho

I am not that sure if I am measuring it correctly either

But when I run btop on Linux I can clearly see my cpu being above 1.7ghz basically all the time

And on freebsd it sticks to 1700

I read on the forum setting the frequency to 1 beyond the actual max frequency enables boosting, but sysctl refuses to accept the setting

uh, what frequency?

levitating_: and how are you setting it?

1701

sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=1701

i don't think that will work

I thought it was weird as well but I saw this forum post

Title: Solved - How to run an Intel CPU at full speed? | The FreeBSD Forums

does that sysctl exist on your system?

elliot@phil:~/$ sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq

sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.cpu.0.freq'

yes I can read it

root@r-mint ~# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=1701

dev.cpu.0.freq: 1700 -> 1700