hello all

"smtpd[46987]: rspamd: failed to receive a response from daemon. err: 'Post "localhost:11333/checkv2": dial tcp [::1]:11333: i/o timeout'"

how to fix that?

solved.. my firewall problem

after i type sudo make release disc1 in ./release of the git repo, it runs but where's the disc1 iso get put?

nvm

any regressions in 14.1?

if i clone the git repo of freebsd, where's let's say the default "/etc/pw.conf" file at? or adduser.conf?

polyex: there's no default files for these, but users can add their own if required

what is a file that's in /etc by default on 14.1?

sysctl.conf for example, login.conf

you're probably looking for share/skel/* stuff in general

those are the user related ones

polyex: if you're looking where the root-related ones are, they live adjacent to the related binary in the src tree

e.g. pf.os is in sbin/pfctl/pf.os

and sysctl.conf is in sbin/sysctl/sysctl.conf

ty

I'm a huge fan of `fd-find` in ports for very fast dumps

s/dump/searches/

I'm doing a DB restore atm and dump is top of my mind

how's 14.1 running in production?

fine for me

switched most stuff over during BETA stage

working well on a 2009 laptop I use for testing programs and running VMs

retro computing, nice

poverty computing more like

true

accessing the msys2 commandline of a windows install inside a VM running on top of FreeBSD is faster and more responsive than a bare metal Windows install, strangely

zwr: you have EPT on your 2009 laptop?

anyone know the current state of play regarding Steam on Freebsd with Nvidia cards.. the articles i've found are two or three years old. I'm looking at switching because the community seems better but games are important to me

what's the reason that sockstat exited on signal 11 ?

message in /var/log/messages: kernel: pid 32665 (sockstat), jid 0, uid 1001: exited on signal 11 , what happened to sockstat ?

occ: to paraphrase Putin on the Larry Kings TV show, "it crashed"

hmm any cool use ideas for a 2nd raspberry pi 4? I have one here acting as a sort-of nas

and I got another one for free

mine is 4gbs of ram, the new one only 2

zfs user encryption is to simply encrypt the users home directory ON TOP of the FDE on the root disk right?

yourfate: home automation system. I have one running home assistant

hmm I could install that on the one I already have too

but my home automation right now is all apple homekit

oooh I might have a use-case for home assistant: my Miele appliances, I could bridge them into homekit as well

Miele makes stuff other than vacuums? Or are you automating your vacuum

Miele was / is originally famous for washing machines

I have a Miele Washer and a Dryer

tho, tbh, the only smart feature I use is the notification when they are done, and that works as-is

piamiga4 only the amiga makes it possible!

game on!

:D

tho I have to say, I'm not too keen on retro games

I never had those consoles, so I dn't feel nostalgia for them

I find I can only enjoy old games if I played them back-in-the-day

otherwise they just feel dated

bah.. ffmpeg/geekgadgets..my amiga is almost as good as unix boxen

imgur.com/H2OQ1Qx ffmpeg sounthpark season24 amiga right off the net

x11,gnu what cant my amiga do, besides the browser foo...amissl/amissh

Alien Fish Finger, Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters, Enemy: Tempest of Violence, It came from the desert, Damage: The Sadistic Butchering of Humanity..some games...

check the youtube gameplay videos..

gptboot_enable="YES" good for anything if i only got uefi and zfs root? no bios, no ufs

polyex: no, you don't use gptboot. uefi zfs boot goes uefi firmware -> loader.efi -> kernel

tyvm

anyone know when 15.0-R comes?

2025 at the earliest

ok ty

14.2 first then?

almost certainly

i would expect 14.2 around april-may 2025 and 15.0-R later in the year (just based on previous release timing, obviously there are no firm dates for that yet)

15.0 is pretty stable today though, if you're looking for a feature that's not been backported

Mr lw!

you did that on purpose

me? nah

10 points for gryffindor if you can tell me how tf I can run MagicTheGathering Arena through wine -__-

lw only if mac_portacl is vnet respecting

that's the #1 feature i want

jbo: uh probably type "wine theexecutable.exe", let me know how that goes, if it helps don't forget to like and subscribe

lw, that's what I did - didn't work, so unsubscribed immediately

also stomped on the ground

jbo: [This post is only visible to subscribers.]

some cr*p about 32-bit stuff

oh yeah 32-bit wine is still a massive pain

:<

was I baited by the "Gold" label here? appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=37229

Title: WineHQ - Magic: The Gathering Arena Current

did you do the pkg.sh thing to install 32-bit wine? the basic problem is the 32-bit wine can only run 32-bit apps and 64-bit wine can only run 64-bit apps, freebsd doesn't supported the new "merged" WoW64 thing

the proton maintainer hangs out on the freebsd discord if you wanted advice from someone who actually know what they're doing

I didn't. don't wanna risk the factorio fix I need every now and then.

I'm still dealing with 100 mbps ethernet on my threadripper box that cost more than my car - so I'm pretty low maintenance I'd say

ah it shouldn't break anything, it just installs the 32-bit wine packages in ~/.local or something

did you email the driver maintainer like i said?

no :p

so I also need a separate port for wine32?

it's the same port but it's built for FreeBSD/i386

wait what...

if you built it on i386 you get 32-bit wine, if you build it on amd64 you get 64-bit wine

wait...

so to run 32-bit app you have to install the package from freebsd/i386 package repository

c'mon.

I need to setup a freebsd/i386 repo just for that then?

that's a lot of electricity.

yes, but no, the script does it all for you. unless you're building from poudriere in which case yes, you need to start building wine(-devel) for i386 too

yes @ poudriere. so I need to setup an i386 jail and all that non-sense?

yup, good luck

starting to wonder whether I start to understand why you're so hard on vodka all the time... jesus...

i'm not always on the vodka, i had run yesterday

i ran out though so yes today it's vodka again

run? rum

whiskey > rum > vodka

i didn't have a run, i would never do that

jbo: bourbon or scotch?

scotch > burbon

please don't give bad advice in this channel

systemd > everything

yes that's true

you know how "greather-than" works, right?

i'm glad we're finally getting systemd for 15.0, it's been a long time coming

also, got any ports PRs I can handle?

i think launchd was better than systemd

yeah, I'll skip 14 entirely just to get systemd faster

no but i could create some if you want

aren't you like... really busy though?

polyex: wait you're being sarcastic right?

rc rewrite to run on launchd would be nice

lw, I have like two hours tonight. first time I can do stuff in a month :<

i've used launchd on macOS and it's fricking awful, by far the worst init system of *any* OS

no maybe i'm wrong but i remember launchd being good

ah

i thought it was supposed to be nice for only activating resources on demand

i mean, if you like it that's fine i'm just extremely surprised

and handling dep trees

lw, you're surprised that I "care for you" o.O

oh yeah it can do that but the command syntax to actually make it do that is terrible, even compared to like systemd socket activation

lw, how come that someone of your origin things that burbon is nicer than scotch? don't start a war with the islanders

what do you think a next gen rc design would be like? something to leapfrog systemd

jbo: i'm still bitter about Stirling Bridge

polyex, honestly, my opinion is that things would generally be better if people are not constantly looking for the "next gen thing"

polyex: it would be based on Solaris SMF (like systemd but better), but with a nicer config file syntax, and it would use null jails (which don't exist yet) for process tracking

either something works for what it was intended for or it doesn't.

polyex: basically like systemd but done the unix/freebsd way, using existing functionality

what's null jail?

a jail with no restrictions

but the processes still exist inside the jail context so you can track them (like solaris contracts or linux cgroups)

so what's that buy you for "process tracking"?

track how

but also, because a null jail is a jail, you can add jail restrictions if you want - like the new 'service jails' in 15.0

polyex: like knowing if any processes of the service are still running

is the nicer config file syntax ucl or?

I'd imagine also to track which process/jail spawned a particular process

also resource management

i'm not hugely fond of UCL but yeah it'd probably be UCL

yeah, jail rctls applied to services

so basically the groundwork for a next gen rc is already coming together

basically if you put every service in a null jail it opens up a lot of interesting and useful functionality

ya

that sounds really cool

yes, except null jails don't exist yet, but that's a SMOP

jbo: if you want something useful to do you can probably decide to close this one bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275959 i only didn't do it myself in case someone else wants to take it over

can jails have capability profiles applied so that whatever runs in the jail has to be allowed to do anything it tries to do?

Title: 275959 – [NEW PORT] audio/sublime-music: GTK3 desktop client for Subsonic-compatible music streaming servers

polyex: like capsicum profiles? nafaik, but there is (?) some working being done (? not sure) on a sort of generic 'capsicumizer' wrapper. that would be orthoganal to jails though

lw, I saw that one - I think you should just close it yourself - harm. Closing other people's PRs without a proper reason is a bit... mood.

ya that

ok cool

and what makes solaris smf so good?

it's not systemd but what else

it's like systemd but without being systemd

ya how its design differ to be better?

it gives you all the useful stuff like tracking services as a unit and a centralised management system

it's not really, they just didn't replace the entire OS with SMF like systemd did

systemd is basically it's own OS by now.

attack vectors over 9000

i prefer SMF to systemd because it just does one thing really well

ya we'd need our rcng to be really focused and minimal

ya

systemd is like: "oh, here's a custom DNS implementation to query something before the OS is even up and running"

but it does use XML for config which is not very fun

so that's why i said a better config file format

ya ucl isn't perfect but it's pretty good

i think ucl with json schemas

pretty practical solution

really need the ability to validate a config before deploying it

lw, btw did I ever tell you that I "fixed" the thermal issues of my threadripper? it's now idling at around 55C and under full sustained load (+1h) it maxes at around 80C

81C if I'm being honest

i didn't know you had a thermal issue, wasn't it just that freebsd wasn't reporting the temps?

nah that was before. but I also used crappy ass thermal paste becasue I had nothing on stock. got some new thermalpaste, all good now.

ah

600W continious yay

i wish i could get my 5800X3D above 60C :-(

have you tried yelling at it?

that only works on hard disks

hah - love that you got that "reference"

amd support really come along on freebsd

jbo: oh did i ever tell you about the new router i bought on Ali Express? it has an 8-core Atom and 9 ethernet ports, works really well with freebsd

few years back it was ROUGH

lw, you did not. you never respond to my messages - remember?

lw, 8 cores, 9 ethernet ports, 10 malwares?

oh i'm sorry you literally vanished for like 3 months, my bad

zero malwares discovered so far although i'm still a bit suspicious of this Intel ME crap or whatever it's called now

vPro?

ah no, still ME afaik

maybe

dunno - apparently I'm an AMD person nowdays

lw, how much routing do you have to get done at home tho?!

at $work I got 5x supermicro E3-800D. was definitely overkill -__-

oh here it is: aliexpress.com/item/1005006250289547.html

jbo: a lot since i use routing for all our servers instead of switching

it can saturate 10Gbps with 9k MTU which i'm pretty happy with

lw, > 9 ethernet ports

also: 1 is console -___-

no, exactly 9

oh, I'm an idiot

yes, the other rj-45 port is a serial console

apologies.

does it run systemd?

no it runs freebsd

you should run systemd.

downvote

although it came pre-installed with Windows, i really wonder why anyone would want a Windows system with so many network ports

ISS

IIS*

i don't think the ISS runs Windows

oh

you know you can run multiple websites on a single ethernet port right?

even with IIS

nah, we have one ethernet port and one CPU socket per website at $work

better safe than sorry

so many interfaces le-fay.org/tmp/30d/netstat.txt

jbo: that's actually not a terrible idea if you want to bind one core + one network port + one app thread i guess

netlink seems to be getting more prominent in base

lw, did you read about VSCode malewarez?

"surprise"

jbo: no?

"surprise" indeed

polyex: yeah netlink is actually pretty neat

lw, random link: scmagazine.com/news/vscode-extensio…malicious-code-installed-229m-times

Title: VSCode extensions with malicious code installed 229M times | SC Media

oh not vs code but vs code extensions

lmao

get fucked

surprise! installing random software from some website might be a bad idea

yap

npm all the shiet

oh it's not even that it's just typo squatting

as with any script-kiddie malware campain targetting languages with "packaging infrastructure"

i should do a research project where i try to get malware committed to ports

would probably fail since 2 years later no committer would have looked at the patch

salty

is it salty if it's true

well salt seems to be both salty and true

lw, close #275959 already

jbo: you inspired me to get fancy and make a cocktail. i think i did it right: 9 parts vodka, 1 part tomato juice, 3 parts Henderson's Relish, 4 parts tabasco sauce. so 17 parts? pretty sure that's right

ugh fine

lw, pic or didn't happen

I could go for a moscow mule

ok hang on while i grab my phone and take a photo then run photosync then run mobius sync then run syncthing on my desktop then upload it then link it

lw, Resolution --> Fixed seriously? :D

jbo: non-committers can't select a resolution

lw, I'm known to be patient. feel free to pm

lw, wut? had no idea.

the only options are open and closed

fun

jbo: le-fay.org/tmp/30d/IMG_0884.JPG it's sideways because i had to remove the exif data and apparently that's where the orientation is stored

but you can imagine i live on a space station and rotating drinks sideways doesn't make them fall out

lw, I approve

why do I see what looks like an ubuntu wallpaper?

do you want to loose your commit bit?

jbo: because i gave up on wine and runs games on linux now

hah - so it's actually an ubuntu wallpaper? :D

it's terrible

yeah it's the default wallpaper bc i'm too lazy to customise it

are you ready for the fct extension?

I plan to take some vacation (not that that will ever happen...)

is that short for fucked?

it's short for factorio .__.

oh the DLC

"extension"

DLC

"extension"

this is like talking to an LLM

dunno - did you learn how to paste yet?

it has been a while, you know

jbo: oh did i mention that i set up a local LLM here for my housemates? it's going pretty well, let me PASTE the link for you: le-fay.org/tmp/30d/Screenshot.from.…024-06-08.at.02_04_56.803628621.png

no paste failure - I'm impressed!

> "jerk off to DNS technical manuals"

wtf

wait what

wtf am I reading

> [...] DNS. It connects my endless hatred for everyone to actual IP addresses [...]

I should be an LLM.

i wrote the UI myself, i'm pretty happy with it. (i still hate HTML)

I might be an LLM.

jbo: it knows about FreeBSD too le-fay.org/tmp/30d/Screenshot.from.…024-06-08.at.01_52_46.044745950.png

s/FreeBSD/Linux