05:53:43 hello all 05:53:45 "smtpd[46987]: rspamd: failed to receive a response from daemon. err: 'Post "http://localhost:11333/checkv2": dial tcp [::1]:11333: i/o timeout'" 05:53:49 how to fix that? 06:39:56 solved.. my firewall problem 08:20:48 after i type sudo make release disc1 in ./release of the git repo, it runs but where's the disc1 iso get put? 08:22:48 nvm 08:40:48 any regressions in 14.1? 08:45:11 if i clone the git repo of freebsd, where's let's say the default "/etc/pw.conf" file at? or adduser.conf? 09:01:48 polyex: there's no default files for these, but users can add their own if required 09:02:06 what is a file that's in /etc by default on 14.1? 09:02:58 sysctl.conf for example, login.conf 09:03:38 you're probably looking for share/skel/* stuff in general 09:04:57 those are the user related ones 09:06:04 polyex: if you're looking where the root-related ones are, they live adjacent to the related binary in the src tree 09:06:19 e.g. pf.os is in sbin/pfctl/pf.os 09:06:30 and sysctl.conf is in sbin/sysctl/sysctl.conf 09:06:55 ty 09:06:55 I'm a huge fan of `fd-find` in ports for very fast dumps 09:07:07 s/dump/searches/ 09:07:19 I'm doing a DB restore atm and dump is top of my mind 09:19:03 how's 14.1 running in production? 09:25:45 fine for me 09:26:12 switched most stuff over during BETA stage 09:26:50 working well on a 2009 laptop I use for testing programs and running VMs 09:31:38 retro computing, nice 09:32:43 poverty computing more like 09:33:13 true 09:33:57 accessing the msys2 commandline of a windows install inside a VM running on top of FreeBSD is faster and more responsive than a bare metal Windows install, strangely 11:40:35 zwr: you have EPT on your 2009 laptop? 15:39:38 anyone know the current state of play regarding Steam on Freebsd with Nvidia cards.. the articles i've found are two or three years old. I'm looking at switching because the community seems better but games are important to me 16:44:35 what's the reason that sockstat exited on signal 11 ? 16:46:19 message in /var/log/messages: kernel: pid 32665 (sockstat), jid 0, uid 1001: exited on signal 11 , what happened to sockstat ? 17:07:55 occ: to paraphrase Putin on the Larry Kings TV show, "it crashed" 20:57:53 hmm any cool use ideas for a 2nd raspberry pi 4? I have one here acting as a sort-of nas 20:58:13 and I got another one for free 20:58:55 mine is 4gbs of ram, the new one only 2 20:59:02 zfs user encryption is to simply encrypt the users home directory ON TOP of the FDE on the root disk right? 21:18:06 yourfate: home automation system. I have one running home assistant 21:18:22 hmm I could install that on the one I already have too 21:18:33 but my home automation right now is all apple homekit 21:21:32 oooh I might have a use-case for home assistant: my Miele appliances, I could bridge them into homekit as well 21:21:57 Miele makes stuff other than vacuums? Or are you automating your vacuum 21:22:12 Miele was / is originally famous for washing machines 21:22:22 I have a Miele Washer and a Dryer 21:24:37 tho, tbh, the only smart feature I use is the notification when they are done, and that works as-is 21:25:58 piamiga4 only the amiga makes it possible! 21:26:04 game on! 21:31:26 :D 21:31:57 tho I have to say, I'm not too keen on retro games 21:32:12 I never had those consoles, so I dn't feel nostalgia for them 21:32:23 I find I can only enjoy old games if I played them back-in-the-day 21:32:46 otherwise they just feel dated 21:34:56 https://imgur.com/kFcN3sD 21:35:18 bah.. ffmpeg/geekgadgets..my amiga is almost as good as unix boxen 21:36:01 https://imgur.com/H2OQ1Qx ffmpeg sounthpark season24 amiga right off the net 21:37:30 x11,gnu what cant my amiga do, besides the browser foo...amissl/amissh 21:40:27 Alien Fish Finger, Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters, Enemy: Tempest of Violence, It came from the desert, Damage: The Sadistic Butchering of Humanity..some games... 21:40:47 check the youtube gameplay videos.. 22:09:37 gptboot_enable="YES" good for anything if i only got uefi and zfs root? no bios, no ufs 22:24:33 polyex: no, you don't use gptboot. uefi zfs boot goes uefi firmware -> loader.efi -> kernel 22:24:59 tyvm 22:28:56 anyone know when 15.0-R comes? 22:29:07 2025 at the earliest 22:30:12 ok ty 22:30:21 14.2 first then? 22:31:26 almost certainly 22:33:08 i would expect 14.2 around april-may 2025 and 15.0-R later in the year (just based on previous release timing, obviously there are no firm dates for that yet) 22:36:53 15.0 is pretty stable today though, if you're looking for a feature that's not been backported 22:37:48 Mr lw! 22:38:11 you did that on purpose 22:38:22 me? nah 22:39:05 10 points for gryffindor if you can tell me how tf I can run MagicTheGathering Arena through wine -__- 22:40:45 lw only if mac_portacl is vnet respecting 22:40:52 that's the #1 feature i want 22:41:06 jbo: uh probably type "wine theexecutable.exe", let me know how that goes, if it helps don't forget to like and subscribe 22:41:23 lw, that's what I did - didn't work, so unsubscribed immediately 22:41:30 also stomped on the ground 22:41:38 jbo: [This post is only visible to subscribers.] 22:41:39 some cr*p about 32-bit stuff 22:41:48 oh yeah 32-bit wine is still a massive pain 22:41:54 :< 22:42:31 was I baited by the "Gold" label here? https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=37229 22:42:32 Title: WineHQ - Magic: The Gathering Arena Current 22:43:06 did you do the pkg.sh thing to install 32-bit wine? the basic problem is the 32-bit wine can only run 32-bit apps and 64-bit wine can only run 64-bit apps, freebsd doesn't supported the new "merged" WoW64 thing 22:43:38 the proton maintainer hangs out on the freebsd discord if you wanted advice from someone who actually know what they're doing 22:43:39 I didn't. don't wanna risk the factorio fix I need every now and then. 22:44:13 I'm still dealing with 100 mbps ethernet on my threadripper box that cost more than my car - so I'm pretty low maintenance I'd say 22:44:21 ah it shouldn't break anything, it just installs the 32-bit wine packages in ~/.local or something 22:44:42 did you email the driver maintainer like i said? 22:44:45 no :p 22:44:50 so I also need a separate port for wine32? 22:44:59 it's the same port but it's built for FreeBSD/i386 22:45:05 wait what... 22:45:11 if you built it on i386 you get 32-bit wine, if you build it on amd64 you get 64-bit wine 22:45:19 wait... 22:45:21 so to run 32-bit app you have to install the package from freebsd/i386 package repository 22:45:27 c'mon. 22:45:35 I need to setup a freebsd/i386 repo just for that then? 22:45:38 that's a lot of electricity. 22:45:59 yes, but no, the script does it all for you. unless you're building from poudriere in which case yes, you need to start building wine(-devel) for i386 too 22:46:36 yes @ poudriere. so I need to setup an i386 jail and all that non-sense? 22:46:46 yup, good luck 22:47:24 starting to wonder whether I start to understand why you're so hard on vodka all the time... jesus... 22:50:22 i'm not always on the vodka, i had run yesterday 22:50:29 i ran out though so yes today it's vodka again 22:50:34 run? rum 22:50:43 whiskey > rum > vodka 22:50:47 i didn't have a run, i would never do that 22:50:52 jbo: bourbon or scotch? 22:50:58 scotch > burbon 22:51:10 please don't give bad advice in this channel 22:51:19 systemd > everything 22:51:25 yes that's true 22:51:35 you know how "greather-than" works, right? 22:51:39 i'm glad we're finally getting systemd for 15.0, it's been a long time coming 22:51:40 also, got any ports PRs I can handle? 22:51:49 i think launchd was better than systemd 22:51:51 yeah, I'll skip 14 entirely just to get systemd faster 22:51:53 no but i could create some if you want 22:51:57 aren't you like... really busy though? 22:52:05 polyex: wait you're being sarcastic right? 22:52:07 rc rewrite to run on launchd would be nice 22:52:09 lw, I have like two hours tonight. first time I can do stuff in a month :< 22:52:25 i've used launchd on macOS and it's fricking awful, by far the worst init system of *any* OS 22:52:26 no maybe i'm wrong but i remember launchd being good 22:52:31 ah 22:52:47 i thought it was supposed to be nice for only activating resources on demand 22:52:52 i mean, if you like it that's fine i'm just extremely surprised 22:52:52 and handling dep trees 22:53:08 lw, you're surprised that I "care for you" o.O 22:53:12 oh yeah it can do that but the command syntax to actually make it do that is terrible, even compared to like systemd socket activation 22:53:38 lw, how come that someone of your origin things that burbon is nicer than scotch? don't start a war with the islanders 22:53:47 what do you think a next gen rc design would be like? something to leapfrog systemd 22:53:57 jbo: i'm still bitter about Stirling Bridge 22:54:12 polyex, honestly, my opinion is that things would generally be better if people are not constantly looking for the "next gen thing" 22:54:22 polyex: it would be based on Solaris SMF (like systemd but better), but with a nicer config file syntax, and it would use null jails (which don't exist yet) for process tracking 22:54:23 either something works for what it was intended for or it doesn't. 22:54:46 polyex: basically like systemd but done the unix/freebsd way, using existing functionality 22:55:03 what's null jail? 22:55:46 a jail with no restrictions 22:56:07 but the processes still exist inside the jail context so you can track them (like solaris contracts or linux cgroups) 22:56:07 so what's that buy you for "process tracking"? 22:56:18 track how 22:56:28 but also, because a null jail is a jail, you can add jail restrictions if you want - like the new 'service jails' in 15.0 22:56:36 polyex: like knowing if any processes of the service are still running 22:56:39 is the nicer config file syntax ucl or? 22:56:53 I'd imagine also to track which process/jail spawned a particular process 22:57:01 also resource management 22:57:10 i'm not hugely fond of UCL but yeah it'd probably be UCL 22:57:19 yeah, jail rctls applied to services 22:57:44 so basically the groundwork for a next gen rc is already coming together 22:57:45 basically if you put every service in a null jail it opens up a lot of interesting and useful functionality 22:57:50 ya 22:57:53 that sounds really cool 22:58:05 yes, except null jails don't exist yet, but that's a SMOP 22:59:02 jbo: if you want something useful to do you can probably decide to close this one https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275959 i only didn't do it myself in case someone else wants to take it over 22:59:05 can jails have capability profiles applied so that whatever runs in the jail has to be allowed to do anything it tries to do? 22:59:05 Title: 275959 – [NEW PORT] audio/sublime-music: GTK3 desktop client for Subsonic-compatible music streaming servers 22:59:46 polyex: like capsicum profiles? nafaik, but there is (?) some working being done (? not sure) on a sort of generic 'capsicumizer' wrapper. that would be orthoganal to jails though 23:00:08 lw, I saw that one - I think you should just close it yourself - harm. Closing other people's PRs without a proper reason is a bit... mood. 23:00:14 ya that 23:00:16 ok cool 23:00:23 and what makes solaris smf so good? 23:00:31 it's not systemd but what else 23:00:32 it's like systemd but without being systemd 23:00:42 ya how its design differ to be better? 23:00:46 it gives you all the useful stuff like tracking services as a unit and a centralised management system 23:00:56 it's not really, they just didn't replace the entire OS with SMF like systemd did 23:01:00 systemd is basically it's own OS by now. 23:01:07 attack vectors over 9000 23:01:13 i prefer SMF to systemd because it just does one thing really well 23:01:22 ya we'd need our rcng to be really focused and minimal 23:01:27 ya 23:01:36 systemd is like: "oh, here's a custom DNS implementation to query something before the OS is even up and running" 23:01:37 but it does use XML for config which is not very fun 23:01:44 so that's why i said a better config file format 23:01:53 ya ucl isn't perfect but it's pretty good 23:02:09 i think ucl with json schemas 23:02:13 pretty practical solution 23:02:28 really need the ability to validate a config before deploying it 23:03:39 lw, btw did I ever tell you that I "fixed" the thermal issues of my threadripper? it's now idling at around 55C and under full sustained load (+1h) it maxes at around 80C 23:03:53 81C if I'm being honest 23:04:01 i didn't know you had a thermal issue, wasn't it just that freebsd wasn't reporting the temps? 23:05:00 nah that was before. but I also used crappy ass thermal paste becasue I had nothing on stock. got some new thermalpaste, all good now. 23:05:05 ah 23:05:14 600W continious yay 23:05:15 i wish i could get my 5800X3D above 60C :-( 23:05:24 have you tried yelling at it? 23:05:30 that only works on hard disks 23:05:46 hah - love that you got that "reference" 23:06:02 amd support really come along on freebsd 23:06:06 jbo: oh did i ever tell you about the new router i bought on Ali Express? it has an 8-core Atom and 9 ethernet ports, works really well with freebsd 23:06:09 few years back it was ROUGH 23:06:24 lw, you did not. you never respond to my messages - remember? 23:06:33 lw, 8 cores, 9 ethernet ports, 10 malwares? 23:06:38 oh i'm sorry you literally vanished for like 3 months, my bad 23:06:56 zero malwares discovered so far although i'm still a bit suspicious of this Intel ME crap or whatever it's called now 23:07:04 vPro? 23:07:09 ah no, still ME afaik 23:07:10 maybe 23:07:16 dunno - apparently I'm an AMD person nowdays 23:07:50 lw, how much routing do you have to get done at home tho?! 23:08:13 at $work I got 5x supermicro E3-800D. was definitely overkill -__- 23:08:31 oh here it is: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006250289547.html 23:08:41 jbo: a lot since i use routing for all our servers instead of switching 23:09:08 it can saturate 10Gbps with 9k MTU which i'm pretty happy with 23:09:18 lw, > 9 ethernet ports 23:09:23 also: 1 is console -___- 23:09:26 no, exactly 9 23:09:35 oh, I'm an idiot 23:09:36 yes, the other rj-45 port is a serial console 23:09:37 apologies. 23:09:55 does it run systemd? 23:10:04 no it runs freebsd 23:10:17 you should run systemd. 23:10:25 downvote 23:10:26 although it came pre-installed with Windows, i really wonder why anyone would want a Windows system with so many network ports 23:10:35 ISS 23:10:42 IIS* 23:10:46 i don't think the ISS runs Windows 23:10:48 oh 23:10:59 you know you can run multiple websites on a single ethernet port right? 23:11:03 even with IIS 23:11:16 nah, we have one ethernet port and one CPU socket per website at $work 23:11:26 better safe than sorry 23:11:55 so many interfaces https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/netstat.txt 23:12:14 jbo: that's actually not a terrible idea if you want to bind one core + one network port + one app thread i guess 23:13:00 netlink seems to be getting more prominent in base 23:13:15 lw, did you read about VSCode malewarez? 23:13:19 "surprise" 23:13:20 jbo: no? 23:13:27 "surprise" indeed 23:13:28 polyex: yeah netlink is actually pretty neat 23:13:37 lw, random link: https://www.scmagazine.com/news/vscode-extensions-with-malicious-code-installed-229m-times 23:13:39 Title: VSCode extensions with malicious code installed 229M times | SC Media 23:13:48 oh not vs code but vs code extensions 23:13:49 lmao 23:13:52 get fucked 23:13:59 surprise! installing random software from some website might be a bad idea 23:14:05 yap 23:14:08 npm all the shiet 23:14:50 oh it's not even that it's just typo squatting 23:15:35 as with any script-kiddie malware campain targetting languages with "packaging infrastructure" 23:16:51 i should do a research project where i try to get malware committed to ports 23:17:11 would probably fail since 2 years later no committer would have looked at the patch 23:17:21 salty 23:17:26 * jbo throws some caramel at lw 23:18:45 is it salty if it's true 23:19:41 well salt seems to be both salty and true 23:23:54 lw, close #275959 already 23:24:19 jbo: you inspired me to get fancy and make a cocktail. i think i did it right: 9 parts vodka, 1 part tomato juice, 3 parts Henderson's Relish, 4 parts tabasco sauce. so 17 parts? pretty sure that's right 23:24:34 ugh fine 23:24:37 lw, pic or didn't happen 23:24:49 I could go for a moscow mule 23:25:24 ok hang on while i grab my phone and take a photo then run photosync then run mobius sync then run syncthing on my desktop then upload it then link it 23:25:34 lw, Resolution --> Fixed seriously? :D 23:25:47 jbo: non-committers can't select a resolution 23:25:47 lw, I'm known to be patient. feel free to pm 23:25:53 lw, wut? had no idea. 23:25:53 the only options are open and closed 23:26:00 fun 23:31:10 jbo: https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/IMG_0884.JPG it's sideways because i had to remove the exif data and apparently that's where the orientation is stored 23:31:33 but you can imagine i live on a space station and rotating drinks sideways doesn't make them fall out 23:31:34 lw, I approve 23:32:10 why do I see what looks like an ubuntu wallpaper? 23:32:19 do you want to loose your commit bit? 23:32:24 jbo: because i gave up on wine and runs games on linux now 23:32:36 hah - so it's actually an ubuntu wallpaper? :D 23:32:38 it's terrible 23:32:46 yeah it's the default wallpaper bc i'm too lazy to customise it 23:33:18 are you ready for the fct extension? 23:33:27 I plan to take some vacation (not that that will ever happen...) 23:33:31 is that short for fucked? 23:33:40 it's short for factorio .__. 23:33:46 oh the DLC 23:33:51 "extension" 23:33:54 DLC 23:33:58 "extension" 23:34:19 this is like talking to an LLM 23:34:56 dunno - did you learn how to paste yet? 23:35:18 it has been a while, you know 23:35:41 jbo: oh did i mention that i set up a local LLM here for my housemates? it's going pretty well, let me PASTE the link for you: https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/Screenshot.from.2024-06-08.at.02_04_56.803628621.png 23:36:12 no paste failure - I'm impressed! 23:36:31 > "jerk off to DNS technical manuals" 23:36:31 wtf 23:37:16 wait what 23:37:18 wtf am I reading 23:38:04 > [...] DNS. It connects my endless hatred for everyone to actual IP addresses [...] 23:38:07 I should be an LLM. 23:38:09 i wrote the UI myself, i'm pretty happy with it. (i still hate HTML) 23:38:09 I might be an LLM. 23:38:52 jbo: it knows about FreeBSD too https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/Screenshot.from.2024-06-08.at.01_52_46.044745950.png 23:40:36 s/FreeBSD/Linux