I'm having a bizarre issue that

I'm having a bizarre issue that I am unable to troubleshoot. I'm a 2-decade linux user but I'm pretty new at BSD. I'm installing a Freebsd laptop and was struggling to get the trackpad working on X. Even on the console, if I start moused, the mouse doesn't work and I can't even type at full speed. it misses characters

The mouse *does* work, on a linux live CD, so I'm confident that the trackpad is actually working. There's no kernel messages or errors as far as I can tell.

and this is a Thinkpad T490, a couple of years old, 48G of ram. But if I start moused (or X11), the mouse doesn't move and the keyboard can't keep up with more than one character per second typing.

It's a fresh Freebsd-14-Release installation with installed xorg and drm-kmod metapackages installed. I have loaded the intel video driver as per the handbook. But it actually does this on a fresh installation+moused.

Some random internet forum post looked similar and they had some legacy USB protocol enabled in BIOS. I don't have any legacy USB related toggles. But I'm kind of just stabbing in the dark at what the problem might be.

arch-nemesis: I'd like to see the outcome if you boot FreeBSD 13.3

Yeah, I was just doing that so i coudl try it out without X. It was a shock to me that even that made everything slow.

Okay, I'll give 13.3 a shot.

of course, if you have a different mouse laying around, you might also do that ;)

it's not the age of the system, my main desktop is from 2016

fluent-bit crashed easy but opentelemetry-collector builds and is running fine so i'll just use that

Just to update -- Freebsd-13.3 works fine for me. I'm going to step away for now, and I'm going to troubleshoot the issue further tomorrow. I have a solution, but I want to bone up my troubleshooting skills and try to do some real debugging.

The solution meaning use 13.3 and give up on 14.0 if I can't figure it out. but yeah time to learn some debugging tricks.

Thanks, all.

arch-nemesis 14.1 comes next month

do you regularly reboot your BSD machines? I have two that have now been up for about 170 days

yourfate: that's past recent s.a. iirc

:)

s.a.?

otherwise, no

security advisory

aah

should I read some mailing list that tells me to reboot?

and upgrade

you can subscribe to freebsd-security-announce mailing list, or use the rss feed on the website, but not every SA requires a reboot

I do reboot usually when I do a release upgrade

for 13.x, in last 170d it seems like there's something to reboot about

14 too

depends

yeah, for sure

anyne on thinkpad t480?

It's a common choice. I don't use one personally, but ISTR at least someone here does. Meanwhile, see wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops#T-Z and wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_T480 .

Title: Laptops - FreeBSD Wiki

yes, i saw this page. question is for real end users, who own the model. my question maybe little bit more generic. it seems the model is fine with suspend (S3). what i want is to disable powersaving on ethernet card while laptop in suspend. if possible at all

somehow i hate disconnects during suspend times

so much silence here for a long time

can anyone tell me if it is possible to encrypt two disks and type password only once?

it usually is when questions aren't being asked

i asked several times :)

first time you appeared in my logs since 2023-12-06

wikan: I didn't see your previous question here either.

wikan, sure, set up those disks in mirror;)

hi deimosBSD

i am sorry, i was sleeping

about 2 months ago I asked about IMG file. I wanted to replace setup program with my own script.

still actual question ;)

polarian: we meet again

unfortunately...

jk jk

Small world

such is the world of BSD

open, net or free?

Can't it include all of us all together? :-)

arino: you asking which to use?

because each BSD has their own usecase :P

can u explain those cases?

in short

arino , I honestly don't know and am curious too, I like the 'code correctness' idea of openbsd, and find it interesting when looking at it from a systems design point of view. freebsd seems to have the largest community and commercial support behind it.

although I'll add that openbsd has 10 more users in it than #freebsd at the moment lol

I'd love to know what netbsd is about in 2024, supporting ancient architectures?

xgpt, same as it's always been. . . keeping jurassic hardware alive.

"You know your hardware sucks when not even the NetBSD people want it."

right now i am fighting with dell's bios using linux and freebsd, searching for the way to disable bios control of my fan.

i like netbsd, it will be a choice for nuclear winter after all

you can find something in junkyard, kind of fridge and use it with dvd player and 19 century typewriter to revive

CrtxReavr , I just don't understand why anyone would use it on modern hardware

does it have particularly strong ARM support in 2024?

that might be a reason, which BSD has the strongest apple silicon M1/M2/M3 support?

For me I will always have a soft spot in my heart for NetBSD and it will always be there for me. To me it is the most pure form of the system.

xgpt: its minimalistic

arino , isn't openbsd also minimal?

But at the time I needed to set up storage arrays FreeBSD had rock solid ZFS working and NetBSD did not. FreeBSD is the better storage array management system. And other things too!

xgpt: i need to dive into kernel to compare, can't say anything

OpenBSD has the best implementation of pf and as such an OpenBSD as a router is the sweet spot for it. But honestly I am not really attracted to other parts of it. Sorry OpenBSD folks...

I mean, I think they'll sleep fine without your approval ;)

rwp: what means pure?

arino, I mean it most embodies the Unix Philosophy of the vision of the system.

It just feels to me like the most perfect and simple and pure form of the Unix system so far. This is purely a subjective measure and there are definitely corners which are completely broken on all of the systems.

Are people running pkg base without issue?

FreeBSD feels to me like the most practical system having arrived there through a pragmatic sense of compromise.

as i am constantly moving i use laptops and my journey starts from freebsd cause it has biggest pool of supported hardware i think

it also has all interpreters i use to calculate stats and real estate data

but honestly it looks like freebsd wants to be a linux last years

i feel it much more comfortable not to enable linux compatibility features during installation

xgpt, knowing some NetBSD guys. . . they are generally a) BSD fans and b) have a broad collection of hardware and c) like to have he same OS on everything and d) don't mind tinkering to make things work.

they have amazing installation program =)

CrtxReavr , I think B and C are honestly valid points

I'm not a fan of D)

which is why I use linux far more often than I'd like

arino, It has been a year since I last tried to run FreeBSD on a laptop. But at the time and I think still WiFi was/is in a pretty sad state.

(If anyone disagrees and can point me to documentation that targets FreeBSD configuration on laptops I would love it.) I run Devuan on my laptop. But FreeBSD on my desktop.

I have a collection of systems all different and therefore no need to run *everything* on one underpowered laptop as I see some people try to do.

It always makes me worry when I see a newcomer trying to set up FreeBSD to do *everything* on a laptop as I think that will snag on problems in FreeBSD very quickly and turn them off to it long term.

FreeBSD is truly excellent for storage arrays and truly excellent for hosting jail containers for example. Outstanding at it.

rwp: certain devices works ok, but most of them...

xgpt, risking getting banned again. .. when I have the choice, I use FreeB

SD

o_O

CrtxReavr , why are you maybe getting banned?

Because I generally find it requires far less tinkering than linux.

xgpt, it's happened before. . . sure to happen again.

...

Whoops. . . too many active irssi windows. . . didnt' realize which channel I was in.

Thought this was #linux.

lolol

I was like...we're talking about the same thing, if you're getting banned I'm getting banned and I don't think I'm being rude...

By the conversations it is sometimes hard to tell. But as the /topic says, respect each other, be civilized, have fun.

Actually, there used to be a certain op on this channel would would just idle. . . unless you got "offtopic," then he'd tell you to stop, and would ban you questioned it. . . it was literally the only things he'd ever say on the channel.

eh, I feel like arguing about nuances between variants of a thing is healthy yak-shaving. nobody is attacking each other personally. people are stating they prefer one thing and not another, but not adding attacks or denigrating other ways of doing something. I get annoyed when people yell at off topic chat when there's literally nothing else

happening

if someone else jumped in right now asking support questions, everyone should either move to an #*-offtopic channel or stop yak-shaving

so say we all

but if there's nothing else going on...idk...what's the harm?

I think too many people forget that IRC is supposed to be fun.

Have zero problem with "offtopic" chat, unless the channel starts scrolling so fast, that a purposeful convo becomes hard to track.

(Which is bloody rare in this channel.)

And I *REALLY* don't need to fill by channel list with -offtopic channels.

s/by/my

ops will be replaced by ai

And then the real abuse will begin.

nope

then the real exodus from IRC will begin :P

or...rather...the real retreat from AI monitored discord/slack/etc. BACK to IRC will begin! lol

I always put known slack & discord relay bots on ignore.

If you want to talk on IRC, talk on IRC.

how about matrix?

I don't mind relay bots as long as they are helpful

like...bridge bots to connect two channels

I just think they cause confusion.

depends on implementation / level of traffic

I don't think they should be transparent

I don't think they should clutter a userlist

See. . . you're making up a list of rules, when you could just ignore them. >=]

I foresee the need for something more than simply "registered nicks". This channel is restricted to registered nicks only with unregistered nicks diverted to #freebsd-irc. I foresee that we will need a verified "I am not a robot" restriction somehow. But I fear it will be impossible to accomplish as robots become more accomplished at passing as human. They already complete captchas better than humans.

I didn't even know there was a freebsd-irc overflow

there is a solution google uses - 2fa with auth application on mobile

you can combine numeric code with voice / face / fingerprint identification

unfortunately all stack must be re-invented from scratch cause its proprietary