hi! there is this pkg, pulseeffects (that enhances audio output) that doesnt build/exist in current. Is there some place i can find it ? i would be ok if i could create a bhyve vm with that old port just for listening music

i mean find the old pkg

hernan: is it no longer in ports?

looks like it's not a package because it's broken: freshports.org/audio/pulseeffects

Title: FreshPorts -- audio/pulseeffects: Audio effects for Pulseaudio applications

pulseaudio is crap

how do i find the CD/DVD device?

That feels like a noob question, but, hey 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not seeing anything in dmesg, but camcontrol devlist shows it

Apparently there is a cd(4) driver and it should show up as /dev/cd[0-9][a-h]

showed it… when it was SATA, doesn't show it for SCSI…

ah

let's switch back and try again

external CD/DVD device?

kenrap: it's a VM

Ah

i just noticed that cd(4) references the soon to be deprecated bsdlabel(8)

meena: doesn't devlist tell you the device name?

lw: nope, just the bus: <QEMU QEMU DVD-ROM 2.5+> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0)

you do have cd(4) in the kernel, right?

(it is in generic)

good question

it is generic, but it's generic-mmccam

let's reboot into GENERIC

it should work in GENERIC-MMCCAM, and if it doesn't i should file a bug

SCSI CD drives are pretty unusual, i wonder if this code has even been tested recently

hi! can I run a single test using kyua?

actually, I'm trying to debug erros I get in kyua's own test suite

apteryx: kyua debug ...

works in GENERIC

i don't see anything in GENERIC-MMCCAM that would stop it working

must be something 'options MMCCAM' does i guess?

what ever it does, it shouldn't have any affect on cd(4)

wait a minute

i just remembered that GENERIC-MMCCAM is based on MINIMAL on amd64

oh, i was looking at the arm64 one

why isn't it called MINIMAL-MMCCAM then?

re kyua test suite errors, this is what I see: bsd.to/Yrx6

Title: dpaste/Yrx6 (Plain Text)

or why doesn't it just include GENERIC if it's called that?

quickly bat-programmers, to the bug report form!

Title: Mmccam vs minimal by igalic · Pull Request #798 · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub

ah you already did

i should add `device cd` here: freebsd/freebsd-src #962

Title: amd64 & i386: enable VIMAGE in MINIMAL by igalic · Pull Request #962 · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub

oh that PR is like a year old

good grief what

oh, right. wow.

well, a year old if your years have 8 months

look, in most places that don't celebrate Halloween, once you're past August, they start putting christmas stuff in the supermarkets so you know it's just going downhill from there

anyway, once you actually boot the kernel with `device cd` in it, `camcontrol eject cd0` doesn't actually eject this (virtual) cd

rtprio: but is the old pkg available for download somewhere ?

hernan: probably not

you might be able to turn back the clock and see which older version builds, or you could try to get it to compile yourself

where is the kyua database schema supposed to be installed?

I try running single tests of the kyua test suite like so: integration/cmd_report_test filter__ok

thanks meena

and I get: kyua: E: Cannot read database schema '/gnu/store/jay961fw6xir7hbpmf7hamw1gainj72l-kyua-0.13/share/kyua/store/schema_v3.sql'.

lw: aaah, that also explains why camcontrol devlist didn't show the device when it was on scsi

Doesn't sound like it on SCSI.

Sounds like it was on "SCSI" - AKA SATA.

mate mate-desktop-environment doesnt work i dunno ^^ seems it crashes when sddm starts it

if I make a change to /etc/periodic.conf, or even add one, what do I restart? If at all needed

weust: nothing to restart, periodic.conf is run by periodic(8) which is a shell script started from cron

s/run by/read by/

That was a thought I had

thanks

does anyone know off hand how std::chrono;:steady_clock is implemented on freebsd?

lw: look at the various definitions of __libcpp_steady_clock_now() in /usr/src/contrib/llvm-project/libcxx/src/chrono.cpp

babz: thanks. clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) apparently

hey kids

can someone who has a real CD ROM / DVD drive test if `camcontrol eject cd0` actually ejects anything?

meena: does it have to be a SCSI CD ROM?

# camcontrol eject cd0

Unit stopped successfully, Media ejected

asked person near this system if the drive actually ejected, waiting for reply

hahaha

meena: answer: yes it did physically eject the drive tray

<TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653B SI01> at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass8,cd0)

this is a SATA device

then if that doesn't work on a VM, what's the bug? in cam? in the buses? or in qemu? or somewhere else?

what do you expect ejecting qemu cd-rom to actually do?

to disassociate the loaded ISO, so that a reboot won't pick it up

hmm

does that usually work in other OS? i don't think i've ever tried this

yup, i remember I had to re-select the iso for the virtual optical device to reboot from say the fedora installer

because it ejects it before rebooting, and it does work in some hypervisors

Motivation is this cloud-init pr, canonical/cloud-init #4769

Title: feat: prefer udev's cdrom_id -e to eject by catmsred · Pull Request #4769 · canonical/cloud-init · GitHub

meena: maybe GENERIC-MMCCAM doesn't include ejecting support, gotta save those bytes somehow

(this comment is like 50% serious, i don't i ever saw a kernel option for 'ejecting support' though)

lw: I've been running GENERIC, like some rube, for half a day now

meena: aaaah cloud-init i am running away. bad memories of CoreOS

is CoreOS still a thing?

idk it was back when i was laughing at the pathetic state of Kubernetes security

i hated that so much i just stopped turning up at work until they fired me so no idea what's going on nowadays

Kubernetes sounds like a pretty good reason to walk out of a job (and into the sea)

I have this weird feeling that a serious number of companies that use Kubernetes don't understand what it is, what it does, and how to use properly, but that sure as heck won't stop them from using more of it. kinda like violence

meena: so here's my favourite Kubernetes story. they have (had?) an admin panel that let you manage the cluster over the network. the 'getting started' setup instructions told you to install this. installing this meant that anyone who could make a network connection to any cluster node could gain unauthenticated root access to the entire cluster.

i reported this and was told it's not an issue because 'you should be running a firewall'

i later chatted to a google employee who was like, the one person responsible for kubernetes security and he told me he spent most of his time trying to get shit like this fixed, and the developers just *did not care*

this experience has convinced me to never, ever deploy kubernetes or use any service based on it

lol. if you don't start with X from the start, it's really gonna be hard to squeeze it in, once your product is out

X could be usability, speed, security, or any number of things that are hard to bolt on

Accessibility.

brrrr, yeah

yeah, doubly glad i'm not running gitlab anymore

ugh we run gitlab internally and i fucking hate it

it needs like 8GB RAM for two concurrent users

but also it exceeded the memory of the vm

plus it only runs on linux which is hilarious given it's written in ruby, what could it possible be doing that only supports linux

(there is a freebsd port but it's perennially outdated)

the canonical deployment only supports Linux

Omnibus.

you dont understand

the thing is, you're supposed to run gitlab *in* kubernetes

i might try to replace it with sr.ht, although i've heard that's also a massive pita to install

babz: hilariously i actually tried this and it was terrible, the two are like completely incompatible

although that was years ago, they might have improved it by now

is the kubernetes in the room with us right now?

kevans: Kubernetes is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work… when you go to church… when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

etc

the kubernetes is coming from inside the server

meena: do you IRC with a proportional font?

lw: yes

ah

… looks really weird in monospace

haha, it looks really weird not in monospace

Atkinson Hyperlegible on the desktop, and who knows what on the phone

are there GUI IRC clients now then?

I use TheLounge

So i can use the same thing on my laptop and on my phone without a handstand

quassel

babz: yes, but, I also wanted so my chat things to be in one window, and that meant it needed to support a Web client. and the Web clients for was Quassel aren't great

i sometimes wonder about how often things crash on my desktop le-fay.org/tmp/30d/EHDF6B.txt

maybe this is just application bugs

shotman seems to be the worst, what do people use for screenshotting on Wayland?

lw: OpenBSD developer Stefan whatshisface did a good talk on building an accessible laptop for a friend who had lots of special needs, and he did a tangent on that

on what, applications crashing?

how annoying it is that there's so many crashes recorded that no one ever looks at

ah yeah

the thing is i've used Firefox, Handbrake, etc. on macOS and Windows and they never, ever crashed

so i don't know why they're so much less stable on freebsd

Title: Installing an accessible OpenBSD laptop

lw: because FreeBSD isn't an active target they actually develop and test on

it's just GTK though isn't it, what could be different from linux

meena: this is why i hate GUIs though, they're too complicated

computers were not meant to have graphical interfaces

i've worked on ircd that hosts 150k+ concurrent users and that's far, far easier than writing a GUI app, that isn't right

yeah, GUI means "a lot of ifs"

I know how to create a new tmux session, but I also want to create it with a specific command then not be attached to it. e.g. tmux new-session BLAH <=== but I want to come back to the command line and not be in that session.

dvl: new-session takes a -d to remain detached

cheers

Just what I need. thanks

FYI, I'm doing another of these, but with Band of Brothers. dan.langille.org/2024/01/14/clearing-out-multiple-drives-concurrently

Title: Clearing-out multiple drives concurrently – while Watching Fargo Season 5 – Dan Langille's Other Diary