kenrap even better, I added the links to the source! wiki.freebsd.org/BaseUtils

Title: BaseUtils - FreeBSD Wiki

RhodiumToad the FreeBSD wiki, no? I remember seeing your username here and there as editor

I think you're confused

RhodiumToad forums maybe?

I don't use those either

something is wrong with my brain then. It might be the fact that it's 5AM

only wiki I've contributed to, afair, is the postgresql one

RhodiumToad they have a wiki?

of course

I may have an account somewhere on the Great Website of Collective Lies, but I don't recall actually using it

:D

how do i diagnose a server spontainously rebooting? there's nothing in the logs.

I'd look at power issues. I'm not sure how you'd test for that though

antranigv: thanks!

Oh, I just got an idea! You know what you could do is have each name of the command also be a hyperlink to their manpage using man.freebsd.org as the base url.

Title: FreeBSD Manual Pages

Or however you prefer to do it

i cursed myself with a nvidia card a while back for school/cuda are there interesting ports to do GPGPU on nvidia that sort of leverage all that ecosystem nonsense beyond tf/torch?

parv: if and when you master pytorch and ML, please teach me the ways sensei :)

kenrap, Supply me with Money please; will get on that pronto ...

As of now, what kind of minimum & reasonable enough hardware is needed anyway?

On -questions@ list someone tried to use pytorch and/or tensorflow, but that I think they eventually gave up (of trying on FreeBSD)

there a man page for membarrier somewhere?

man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/membarrier.2.html ?

Title: membarrier(2) - Linux manual page

ty!

no problem, just did a lazy web search :)

parv: honnestly at this point it feels like its either under 1k or some ridiculous TPU rig the inbetween is sort of ...

all you need is the nvidia curse cause ROCm the open source amd thing for ML.....

well if youre motivated for many reasons id like it to work but its definitely going against the grain

cedb, Current plan (if & whenver I would get the hardware) would be just use some Linux :-|

and most NNs are super trainable on commodity hardware the LLM and GAN stuff for graphics is super marginal (and theres opensource "pre-warmed" ones or wtv you can use them for teaching or distiling)

hmmm well like i havent tried

Aye

but on principle its just a toolchain to compile code that can run on the HW if your drivers are blobs i dont see why it should be thattt different

id just expect ppl on BSD style stuff to have more of a grumpy sysadmin buzz word vibe yk

parv: if you would like, I could donate you $100 USD to supplement your hardware funds.

hmm are there like "toy boinc" things?

cedb, Besides tensorflow, there are 3D drawing software (Blender & such) that you could try

ahh yes nice good idea ive always wanted to tinker a bit on those kind of gigantic aps that are basically a job

that and some CAD or something

(Oh no! The reality!) kenrap, Thanks for the offer. I have no immediate plans however.

Alrighty, then.

cedb, Besides video games, I hear GPU could be used for number crunching (say password cracking)

i mean i guess but like its not like im gonna get some random hash dump

i mostly want to learn the very very basics of GPGPU cause its basically the reason deeplearning took off, GPUs that go weeee, the rest is pretty boring to me

Title: GPU computing - BOINC

I meant cracking of own passwords to see just how good they are

ya exactly thats what i meant too

uhm boinc+gpu was done already and there cuda on freebsd now, itneresting, good thing i dont have a thousand bookmarks already

someone know how I can use the typical freebsd iso and can get into a live sys where I have an rw /?

I want to use this for restore purposes and need to start sshd

megaTherion so, do you want the livecd to be rw

or you want to mount the other system rw?

in both cases, I recommend you use something like NomadBSD nomadbsd.org

Title: NomadBSD

antranigv: the livecd, I want to start sshd which requires to genereate ssh hostkeys

my case is that I want to ssh into it from another server and push a zfs send stream to it

megaTherion ah yes. it will work properly on NomadBSD

megaTherion for now, try something like `mount -u /` and see if it works

then try `service sshd start`, hopefully it will work

ya have tried that, but since the ISO is mounted directly - has no effect

cd9660 probably doesnt support anything being r/ww

-w

I wonder if you can work in tmp

ya maybe I can try to start sshd and provide the HostKeys differently

a nice solution would be to set the hostkey path into /tmp

the key in sshd_config is HostKey

megaTherion good luck!

thanks :)

antranigv: another way, if I just boot into a fresh installed sys - with a simple auto-zfs layout, can I override zroot with zfs recv? I guess no?

megaTherion wait, what?

antranigv: ya if it's mounted it's not possible

I guess I'll try nomadbsd now

megaTherion fuck, I guess beacuse sshd_config is in... read only mode :D

that too... :D

nomadbsd for the win

it sucks that they simply didn't load the ISO in RAM and then do the / as rw

megaTherion maybe we can change that.

can't wait for mfsbsd to be integrated into the build system.

is the memstick image any different or the same?

o/ I'm wondering if anybody has any good links to outline what kind of netbooting one can do with bhyve. I've got a pxeboot setup for metal on my network but I would like to pxeboot some bhyve instances too while I'm at it :)

rtyler: i found this the other day, 00:26 <meena> youtube.com/watch?v=QK9eSxrs3eg

Title: Bhyve unattended installation with CBSD: PXE and cloud-init - YouTube

will take a look, thanks

meena, I prefer Ansible for a couple of reasons.

CrtxReavr: i'm sure you got good reasons. every time i tried it, i found it inadequate. then again, maybe i was holding it wrong

Well, first of all, it's "agentless" - doesn't require anything to be installed on the target.

Its playbooks are just YAML, so they're an open standard, readable, easy to integrate/build with things you already use.

(Puppet uses some strange, ruby-like syntax and Chef uses actual ruby.)

IT's written in Python, so I can read/change the code.

@CrtxReavr do you run Ansible on a FreeBAS Jail?

There's a huge libary of modues for it.

modules

I've written thousands of thousands of lines of Puppet and Ruby. I mean I've also written thousands of lines of python, but I'm quite comfortable with Puppet / ruby. or was. until last year

rtyler: i looked for this

Also, i generally run Puppet agent less

rtyler: i used ipxe.iso on a uefi system and it works, but i don't think it's ideal. but it was enough to test diskless(8)

i couldn't get bhyve to 'just netboot' without that shim

meena, puppet may have more options now. . .

When I learned it, agentless wasnt' one of them.

In-fact, I knew shops that used ansible to install the puppet agent on targets.

CrtxReavr: one day I'll understand why people don't just use cloud-init for that, but yeah

Its playbooks are just YAML, so they're impossible to read without holding a ruler up to the screen

same is to be said with hiera, i suppose

oh wow qtwebengine really isnt fun is it

rtprio: true. but i usually don't put code in hiera

despite having a pendant for code = data / data = code, i generally put code in Puppet, so that data in hiera can be minimal. example: codeberg.org/pkgbase/puppet-environment

Title: pkgbase/puppet-environment: Configure pkgbase servers and services - puppet-environment - Codeberg.org

although, this line, arguably, could be called code codeberg.org/pkgbase/puppet-environ…nch/production/data/common.yaml#L14

Title: puppet-environment/common.yaml at production - puppet-environment - Codeberg.org

meena: it depends how much module authors abuse hiera and multiline strings, but yes. i find puppet syntax a lot easier to read

ahh yikes

hrm downloading cloud-init is ... an adventure so far.

why?

a ton of python packages and now many rust crates

are you building it yourself? why??

what did i do wrong

uh, why does 'pkg install net/cloud-init' find it yet 'pkg install cloud-init' not find it

seemingly

anyway, the puppet module probably needs updating, and it would be nice if you could do a serverless setup

rtprio: because python packaging conversations

canonical/cloud-init #4503 also, should probably do this for FreeBSD

Title: Set Debian's default locale to be C.UTF-8 by TheRealFalcon · Pull Request #4503 · canonical/cloud-init · GitHub

but where did rust come from

meena: this would not make sense for us, all our locales are always generated

good, less work for me

meena: can you elaborate

rtprio: thanks to the way we package python, it ends up being called pyVER-cloud-init, because, technically, you can build cloud-init with all python versions we have in ports

Even though I have used cloud-init myself I don't know how it has been implemented.

I would have thought it simple enough it would have been a small'ish shell script.

I mean I understand it is pulling data from the cloud provider to provision the system. But it is implemented as a python program locally?

hey sorry for double post (#poudriere) but i need to leave soon and might lose internet, isthere a way to make poudriere bulk prefetch everything in the list of ports im asking it to build?

rwp: i think NetBSD or OpenBSD have a smol shellscript, but it only does the absolute bear minimum

I am kind'a a bare minimum desiring person. So that would be a good fit for me. (And to cedb I have no idea so can't say!)

meena: oh. that makes sense. without realizing it's python / checking the makefile there'd be no obvious way to determine that,

cedb: you can do make fetch-recursive on every port in the list

or better, make PACKAGE_BUILDING=1 DISABLE_CONFLICTS=1 NO_IGNORE=1 TEST_DEPENDS="" fetch-recursive

though note that firefox needs checksum-recursive, rather than just fetch-recursive, since they have distfiles that change content but keep the same name

right yeah i can definitely hack a little script togetehr that reads my list is just felt like poudriere packs so much functionality it wouldnt have been surprising for there to be a switch to do that yk

perhaps i misunderstand what cloudinit even does

cedb: personally I have to do it via fetch-recursive because I don't allow poudriere any network access

ahh yeah that makes sense

Does that give the same or similar result as poudriere -b latest?

umodem0: <Conexant USB Modem, class 2/0, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2> on usbus4 <--did this create a tty port?

it's a "hardware" modem, but there are none that i can see in /dev

it didn't create a ttyU0 or whatever?

oh, it did create ttyU0!

score!

thanks!

i'm setting up ncid

basically umodem sits below ucom (USB comms driver) which attaches as a tty device

ucom creates devices as ttyU*

oh, i understand

umodem will send an AT string to see if it's a modem?

no, umodem recognizes usb devices by device type

a USB device can declare that it has an interface that behaves like a modem

use the dump_all_desc option to usbconfig to see all the info about an attached device

rtprio: yeah, i wish there was an easy mapping between port and package…

pkg can install a package given a port name, but it doesn't understand flavors if you do that