00:03:06 * RhodiumToad is pretty active on what wiki?
00:51:14 <antranigv> kenrap even better, I added the links to the source! https://wiki.freebsd.org/BaseUtils
00:51:15 <VimDiesel> Title: BaseUtils - FreeBSD Wiki
00:52:01 <antranigv> RhodiumToad the FreeBSD wiki, no? I remember seeing your username here and there as editor
00:53:17 <RhodiumToad> I think you're confused
00:53:33 * RhodiumToad has never contributed to it, doesn't even have an account
00:53:45 <antranigv> RhodiumToad forums maybe?
00:53:53 <RhodiumToad> I don't use those either
00:54:09 <antranigv> something is wrong with my brain then. It might be the fact that it's 5AM
00:54:36 <RhodiumToad> only wiki I've contributed to, afair, is the postgresql one
00:55:36 <antranigv> RhodiumToad they have a wiki?
00:55:47 <RhodiumToad> of course
01:00:50 <RhodiumToad> I may have an account somewhere on the Great Website of Collective Lies, but I don't recall actually using it
01:01:09 <antranigv> :D
01:31:25 <rtprio> how do i diagnose a server spontainously rebooting? there's nothing in the logs.
01:35:49 <rsjw> I'd look at power issues. I'm not sure how you'd test for that though
02:38:41 <kenrap> antranigv: thanks!
02:42:35 <kenrap> Oh, I just got an idea! You know what you could do is have each name of the command also be a hyperlink to their manpage using https://man.freebsd.org as the base url.
02:42:36 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Manual Pages
02:43:53 <kenrap> Or however you prefer to do it
05:18:57 <cedb> i cursed myself with a nvidia card a while back for school/cuda are there interesting ports to do GPGPU on nvidia that sort of leverage all that ecosystem nonsense beyond tf/torch?
05:21:39 * parv has been thinking of taking on the curse for the privilege to touching "pytorch" & trying machine learning ...
05:24:02 <kenrap> parv: if and when you master pytorch and ML, please teach me the ways sensei :)
05:24:50 <parv> kenrap, Supply me with Money please; will get on that pronto ...
05:26:07 <parv> As of now, what kind of minimum & reasonable enough hardware is needed anyway?
05:27:44 <parv> On -questions@ list someone tried to use pytorch and/or tensorflow, but that I think they eventually gave up (of trying on FreeBSD)
05:34:29 <polyex> there a man page for membarrier somewhere?
05:35:34 <kenrap> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/membarrier.2.html  ?
05:35:35 <VimDiesel> Title: membarrier(2) - Linux manual page
05:38:26 <polyex> ty!
05:39:57 <kenrap> no problem, just did a lazy web search :)
05:41:19 <cedb> parv: honnestly at this point it feels like its either under 1k or some ridiculous TPU rig the inbetween is sort of ...
05:42:04 <cedb> all you need is the nvidia curse cause ROCm the open source amd thing for ML.....
05:42:28 <cedb> well if youre motivated for many reasons id like it to work but its definitely going against the grain
05:43:45 <parv> cedb, Current plan (if & whenver I would get the hardware) would be just use some Linux :-|
05:43:45 <cedb> and most NNs are super trainable on commodity hardware the LLM and GAN stuff for graphics is super marginal (and theres opensource "pre-warmed"  ones or wtv you can use them for teaching or distiling)
05:43:57 <cedb> hmmm well like i havent tried
05:44:11 <parv> Aye
05:44:41 <cedb> but on principle its just a toolchain to compile code that can run on the HW if your drivers are blobs i dont see why it should be thattt different
05:45:17 <cedb> id just expect ppl on BSD style stuff to have more of a grumpy sysadmin buzz word vibe yk
05:45:26 <kenrap> parv: if you would like, I could donate you $100 USD to supplement your hardware funds.
05:46:18 <cedb> hmm are there like "toy boinc" things?
05:46:21 <parv> cedb, Besides tensorflow, there are 3D drawing software (Blender & such) that you could try
05:47:05 <cedb> ahh yes nice good idea ive always wanted to tinker a bit on those kind of gigantic aps that are basically a job
05:47:13 <cedb> that and some CAD or something
05:47:41 <parv> (Oh no! The reality!) kenrap, Thanks for the offer. I have no immediate plans however.
05:48:21 <kenrap> Alrighty, then.
05:50:02 <parv> cedb, Besides video games, I hear GPU could be used for number crunching (say password cracking)
05:50:44 <cedb> i mean i guess but like its not like im gonna get some random hash dump
05:51:24 <cedb> i mostly want to learn the very very basics of GPGPU cause its basically the reason deeplearning took off, GPUs that go weeee, the rest is pretty boring to me
05:52:52 <cedb> https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing
05:52:53 <VimDiesel> Title: GPU computing - BOINC
05:53:33 <parv> I meant cracking of own passwords to see just how good they are
05:53:47 <cedb> ya exactly thats what i meant too
05:54:40 <cedb> uhm boinc+gpu was done already and there cuda on freebsd now, itneresting, good thing i dont have a thousand bookmarks already
10:02:36 <megaTherion> someone know how I can use the typical freebsd iso and can get into a live sys where I have an rw /?
10:02:46 <megaTherion> I want to use this for restore purposes and need to start sshd
10:12:14 <antranigv> megaTherion so, do you want the livecd to be rw
10:12:24 <antranigv> or you want to mount the other system rw?
10:12:44 <antranigv> in both cases, I recommend you use something like NomadBSD https://nomadbsd.org
10:12:45 <VimDiesel> Title: NomadBSD
10:13:59 <megaTherion> antranigv: the livecd, I want to start sshd which requires to genereate ssh hostkeys
10:14:15 <megaTherion> my case is that I want to ssh into it from another server and push a zfs send stream to it
10:16:00 <antranigv> megaTherion ah yes. it will work properly on NomadBSD
10:16:13 <antranigv> megaTherion for now, try something like `mount -u /` and see if it works
10:16:29 <antranigv> then try `service sshd start`, hopefully it will work
10:16:32 <megaTherion> ya have tried that, but since the ISO is mounted directly - has no effect
10:16:44 <megaTherion> cd9660 probably doesnt support anything being r/ww
10:16:45 <megaTherion> -w
10:16:47 <antranigv> I wonder if you can work in tmp
10:17:05 <megaTherion> ya maybe I can try to start sshd and provide the HostKeys differently
10:17:17 <antranigv> a nice solution would be to set the hostkey path into /tmp
10:17:36 <antranigv> the key in sshd_config is HostKey
10:17:51 <antranigv> megaTherion good luck!
10:17:54 <megaTherion> thanks :)
10:46:22 <megaTherion> antranigv: another way, if I just boot into a fresh installed sys - with a simple auto-zfs layout, can I override zroot with zfs recv? I guess no?
11:13:30 <antranigv> megaTherion wait, what?
11:29:26 <megaTherion> antranigv: ya if it's mounted it's not possible
11:29:32 <megaTherion> I guess I'll try nomadbsd now
11:29:53 <antranigv> megaTherion fuck, I guess beacuse sshd_config is in... read only mode :D
11:29:59 <megaTherion> that too... :D
11:30:10 <antranigv> nomadbsd for the win
11:30:24 <megaTherion> it sucks that they simply didn't load the ISO in RAM and then do the / as rw
11:32:36 <antranigv> megaTherion maybe we can change that.
11:32:41 <debdrup> can't wait for mfsbsd to be integrated into the build system.
11:34:17 <megaTherion> is the memstick image any different or the same?
14:31:54 <rtyler> o/ I'm wondering if anybody has any good links to outline what kind of netbooting one can do with bhyve. I've got a pxeboot setup for metal on my network but I would like to pxeboot some bhyve instances too while I'm at it :)
15:13:17 <meena> rtyler: i found this the other day, 00:26 <meena> https://youtube.com/watch?v=QK9eSxrs3eg
15:13:18 <VimDiesel> Title: Bhyve unattended installation with CBSD: PXE and cloud-init - YouTube
15:23:48 <rtyler> will take a look, thanks
18:19:53 <CrtxReavr> meena, I prefer Ansible for a couple of reasons.
18:25:41 <meena> CrtxReavr: i'm sure you got good reasons. every time i tried it, i found it inadequate. then again, maybe i was holding it wrong
18:27:00 <CrtxReavr> Well, first of all, it's "agentless" - doesn't require anything to be installed on the target.
18:27:55 <CrtxReavr> Its playbooks are just YAML, so they're an open standard, readable, easy to integrate/build with things you already use.
18:28:43 <CrtxReavr> (Puppet uses some strange, ruby-like syntax and Chef uses actual ruby.)
18:29:01 <CrtxReavr> IT's written in Python, so I can read/change the code.
18:29:07 <colectora> @CrtxReavr do you run Ansible on a FreeBAS Jail?
18:29:17 <CrtxReavr> There's a huge libary of modues for it.
18:29:28 <CrtxReavr> modules
18:31:39 <meena> I've written thousands of thousands of lines of Puppet and Ruby. I mean I've also written thousands of lines of python, but I'm quite comfortable with Puppet / ruby. or was. until last year
18:31:44 <rtprio> rtyler: i looked for this
18:32:00 <meena> Also, i generally run Puppet agent less
18:32:42 <rtprio> rtyler: i used ipxe.iso on a uefi system and it works, but i don't think it's ideal. but it was enough to test diskless(8)
18:33:05 <rtprio> i couldn't get bhyve to 'just netboot' without that shim
18:37:49 <CrtxReavr> meena, puppet may have more options now. . .
18:38:02 <CrtxReavr> When I learned it, agentless wasnt' one of them.
18:38:23 <CrtxReavr> In-fact, I knew shops that used ansible to install the puppet agent on targets.
18:40:07 <meena> CrtxReavr: one day I'll understand why people don't just use cloud-init for that, but yeah
18:44:06 <rtprio> Its playbooks are just YAML, so they're impossible to read without holding a ruler up to the screen
18:44:18 <rtprio> same is to be said with hiera, i suppose
18:45:44 <cedb> oh wow qtwebengine really isnt fun is it
18:49:19 <meena> rtprio: true. but i usually don't put code in hiera
18:51:09 <meena> despite having a pendant for code = data / data = code, i generally put code in Puppet, so that data in hiera can be minimal. example: https://codeberg.org/pkgbase/puppet-environment
18:51:10 <VimDiesel> Title: pkgbase/puppet-environment: Configure pkgbase servers and services - puppet-environment - Codeberg.org
18:54:00 <meena> although, this line, arguably, could be called code https://codeberg.org/pkgbase/puppet-environment/src/branch/production/data/common.yaml#L14
18:54:01 <VimDiesel> Title: puppet-environment/common.yaml at production - puppet-environment - Codeberg.org
18:55:16 <rtprio> meena: it depends how much module authors abuse hiera and multiline strings, but yes. i find puppet syntax a lot easier to read
18:55:41 <rtprio> ahh yikes
18:58:48 <rtprio> hrm downloading cloud-init is ... an adventure so far.
18:59:01 <meena> why?
19:00:16 <rtprio> a ton of python packages and now many rust crates
19:00:36 <meena> are you building it yourself? why??
19:00:41 <meena> what did i do wrong
19:02:16 <rtprio> uh, why does 'pkg install net/cloud-init' find it yet 'pkg install cloud-init' not find it
19:02:19 <rtprio> seemingly
19:02:27 <meena> anyway, the puppet module probably needs updating, and it would be nice if you could do a serverless setup
19:02:52 <meena> rtprio: because python packaging conversations
19:05:48 <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/4503 also, should probably do this for FreeBSD
19:05:51 <VimDiesel> Title: Set Debian's default locale to be C.UTF-8 by TheRealFalcon · Pull Request #4503 · canonical/cloud-init · GitHub
19:06:07 <rtprio> but where did rust come from
19:07:58 <bapt> meena: this would not make sense for us, all our locales are always generated
19:11:04 <meena> good, less work for me
19:22:19 <rtprio> meena: can you elaborate
19:45:04 <meena> rtprio: thanks to the way we package python, it ends up being called pyVER-cloud-init, because, technically, you can build cloud-init with all python versions we have in ports
19:47:29 <rwp> Even though I have used cloud-init myself I don't know how it has been implemented.
19:47:32 <rwp> I would have thought it simple enough it would have been a small'ish shell script.
19:47:36 <rwp> I mean I understand it is pulling data from the cloud provider to provision the system.  But it is implemented as a python program locally?
19:49:13 <cedb> hey sorry for double post (#poudriere) but i need to leave soon and might lose internet, isthere a way to make poudriere bulk prefetch everything in the list of ports im asking it to build?
19:50:20 <meena> rwp: i think NetBSD or OpenBSD have a smol shellscript, but it only does the absolute bear minimum
19:51:13 <rwp> I am kind'a a bare minimum desiring person.  So that would be a good fit for me.  (And to cedb I have no idea so can't say!)
20:26:13 <rtprio> meena: oh. that makes sense. without realizing it's python / checking the makefile there'd be no obvious way to determine that,
20:28:46 <RhodiumToad> cedb: you can do  make fetch-recursive  on every port in the list
20:29:41 <RhodiumToad> or better,  make PACKAGE_BUILDING=1 DISABLE_CONFLICTS=1 NO_IGNORE=1 TEST_DEPENDS="" fetch-recursive
20:30:41 <RhodiumToad> though note that firefox needs checksum-recursive, rather than just fetch-recursive, since they have distfiles that change content but keep the same name
20:31:36 <cedb> right yeah i can definitely hack a little script togetehr that reads my list is just felt like poudriere packs so much functionality it wouldnt have been surprising for there to be a switch to do that yk
20:32:26 <rtprio>  perhaps i misunderstand what cloudinit even does
20:35:33 <RhodiumToad> cedb: personally I have to do it via fetch-recursive because I don't allow poudriere any network access
20:35:47 <cedb> ahh yeah that makes sense
20:37:13 <vkarlsen> Does that give the same or similar result as poudriere -b latest?
20:58:43 <CCFL_Man> umodem0: <Conexant USB Modem, class 2/0, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2> on usbus4 <--did this create a tty port?
20:59:04 <CCFL_Man> it's a "hardware" modem, but there are none that i can see in /dev
21:00:37 <RhodiumToad> it didn't create a ttyU0 or whatever?
21:02:23 <CCFL_Man> oh, it did create ttyU0!
21:02:29 <CCFL_Man> score!
21:03:03 <CCFL_Man> thanks!
21:03:10 <CCFL_Man> i'm setting up ncid
21:05:57 <RhodiumToad> basically umodem sits below ucom (USB comms driver) which attaches as a tty device
21:06:16 <RhodiumToad> ucom creates devices as ttyU*
21:07:05 <CCFL_Man> oh, i understand
21:08:36 <CCFL_Man> umodem will send an AT string to see if it's a modem?
21:09:19 <RhodiumToad> no, umodem recognizes usb devices by device type
21:09:47 <RhodiumToad> a USB device can declare that it has an interface that behaves like a modem
21:10:30 <RhodiumToad> use the dump_all_desc option to usbconfig to see all the info about an attached device
21:52:41 <meena> rtprio: yeah, i wish there was an easy mapping between port and package…
21:55:34 <RhodiumToad> pkg can install a package given a port name, but it doesn't understand flavors if you do that