if you don't set anything you should get UTC.

it's not the same

i tested it

not the same as what?

because /etc/localtime isn't there until running tzsetup UTC

having no /etc/localtime should have the exact same effect as having one that specifies UTC

if you like having the file there (I personally don't) then yes, do tzsetup UTC

i like consistency though

isn't that good?

consistency with what?

so no matter the tz, there's always a file at /etc/localtime with the value

Anyone do any updates recently and broke wifi?

./quit

./quit

hrw: backported to stable/13; I wouldn't anticipate an EN to 13.2, but it can be tested with the stable/13 snapshots that will come out in a couple days

(re: xhci)

kevans: hey!

what's the point of /etc/hostid? seems like a good way to make freebsd users trackable or something

angry_vincent: o/

polyex: I want to say it's primarily used in NFS stuff somehow, but we'll also use it to, e.g., generate a stable MAC address for NICs that don't provide one

I think zfs also uses it in some fashion

kevans: i remember there was an attempt of backporting synth from dragonfly to freebsd and that changes are minimal. is there any specific steps documented about what is needed. it is stated ( by dragonfly ) that it should work on both systems.

angry_vincent: not documented anywhere, no

it mostly just works, but some config changes are needed (naturally) that I haven't taken the time to nail down yet

how to work with it ( to chase the configs changes ). clone synth repository, compile or whatever are the steps?

what does it do to set the supersede-domain value for dhclient?

angry_vincent: there's some patching required, but I don't have the patch offhand at this machine

:(

polyex: it makes dhclient use your local domain name or whichever domain name you want instead of the one upstream assigns to you

why would that be good?

because you may not control upstream and you may want a different domain name (presumably this is search domain?) to be used

oh search

well, maybe, I guess. there's domain-name and domain-search

damn

weird thing is in a scripted bsdinstall, files that are overlayed on the FS as a custom distribution.txz all have their user/group set to the 1 new user i create in the bsdinstall script. why is that? any way to fix that without a chmod statement for evvvery file?

ah got it. i just needed to specify --uid and --gid in the tar command

--uid 0 i mean

why isn't bash saving its history to $HISTFILE?

kevans: thanks!

thanks secteam & others, for all the work prepping those patches again to keep us safe :-)

RhodiumToad: I have seen a few apps/tools that *demand* /etc/localtime. It's annoying.

I forget the names though

in scripted bsdinstall, i have a bunch of config files in a distribution.txz. so that it gets extracted without my user:group on the files, i tar the distribution with --uid 0 --gid 0. that works for root files, but then some dirs and files that go into /home/user are owned by root:wheel not user:user. any solution?

Is that a trick question? Update the user:group post extraction?

chown -R user:group $HOME

will that cascade to all files within it?

With "-R", ye

Title: chown

and that's safe to do? like there's no files or dirs in a normal $HOME that have a different owner:group than the user of the $HOME?

:shrug:

hello, I upgraded from 13.2 to 14-beta1 a few weeks ago, and got this freebsd-update bug thing

can i repair it afterwards?

will upgrade to beta4 just fix it when its out?

parv ok it worked

FreeBSD 13-daily are on download.freebsd.org/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/13.2 or is it other place?

Title: Index of /snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/

daily?

like latest dev?

latest dev takes place on -CURRENT not any prior release

even 14 is behind -CURRENT now

polyex: no, I mean 'past 13.2, not yet 13.3' builds from FreeBSD-13 branch

ah

ya i wanna know too

polyex: 13.2 does not boot on my system, kevans helped to identify and backport fix for it. I have a ticket 'check freebsd 13.3' to remember about it and just wanted to add url to check there

did anyone here play with the Zig language? any thoughts?

i added an automount entry in my fstab to mount a linux ext4 hard drive. and it got mounted ok, but the user:group is under 1000:1000. i tried adding uid=1001,gid=1001 in my fstab entry but that apparently only works for ntfs filesystem. is there a way i can setup fstab to automount an ext4 drive so that i as the user can have read and write access? the rw option doesn't seem to work :(

Rue: change the users uid and guid?

cdrmack: we've got people in here who are very interested and following it

@meena, thanks

SKull: you mean by adding uid=1001,gid=1001 to the fstab entry? i tried. or do you mean by chown the folder? but then when it gets automounted again in the future it will just get changed back to 1000:1000 again though right?

Rue: i'm no expert. but i'd just give the BSD user the 1001 uid and gid

👍

meena: i'm really no expert, so i'm not sure if that thumbs up is sarcastic ^^

make UIDs same works, yes.

there is an emoji? shiet, I might need to re-configure my HexChat since I see only an empty msg

cdrmack: unicode :]

jails are not implemented on top of capsicum, right?

jbo: no

I'm trying to better understand the difference between a jail and a capsicum sandbox.

(from a system perspective, not implementation/use)

is it possible to have more than one rcvar (of sorts…) in a single script?

cdrmack: welcome to 2023. We've had Unicode for about 30 years, tho it's only really been actively used for about 20. Unicode is cool, it means you can decode more than just ASCII without it conflicting. But Unicode is also hard, because not all scripts' gylphs are made up of a single thing, and not all scripts are written in the same direction,

but too much software assumes that.

Mixing left-to-right, an right-to-left makes a lot of software cry. And so does just plain trying to display Perso-Arabic script.

so just writing "Hello / سلام" can probably make your computer explode, because programmers are ignorant and mostly just paid to build garbage under pressure.

I'm on a pretty fresh system, what font do you use?

jbo: they are separate systems. every process belongs to a jail ("unjailed" processes belong to prison0). you can think of them as a more restrictive chroot. capsicum on the other hand gives the software you're writing control of how sandboxing is done. once you enter capability mode, you can only use file descriptors that you have (they are treated as capabilities) or derived from the ones you have

(e.g. if you have a fd to directory you can openat() on that fd to get new ones). based on the permission list that the software specifies, there will be limitations on what system calls will be allowed for that process. jails are more of a sysadmin tool whereas capsicum is more of a software developer tool

dstolfa, alright, that is pretty much how I understood it too. thanks.

what's the max CPU that bhyve can support

?

antranigv, it used to be 16. AFAIK now it's "unlimited" (1024)

jbo thanks

antranigv, cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=c76e4b89

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

antranigv, cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=f1d450dd

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

antranigv, I have a bhyve VM with 32 CPUs running just fine.

I'm gonna need one with 240

so, figers crossed

don't rely on what I told you tho.

antranigv, and I think you'll actually need to provide 240 CPU cores to bhyve for that to work.

yeah, I have 512

excellent.

I hope someone else is paying for that :D

they are :))

stupid Linux can't handle megaraid_sas properly

I used it for weeks on FreeBSD without issues

no it craps on Linux

so I think I'll go back to FreeBSD on the host, but run Linux inside a VM

yeah that's what we're doing everywhere too.

and then porting stuff so nowdays there's literally only one Linux VM :D

and most stuff runs just in jails instead

I cannot believe that Linux "won"

I like to think of that as a good thing. If BSD would have won similar issues would arise here.

anything that becomes mainstream is practically doomed from an idealist point of view.

hrw: yeah, that looks right

snapshot builds are weekly starting on thursday around midnight UTC, generally available by late Thursday / early Friday IIRC

thanks kevans

Justin Bieber and Mariah Carey f u c k in their minecraft world! Sample and link: Meanwhile, Justin was smoking his bong, watching the two women and getting more aroused by the minute. As Justin Bieber got high on weed, his eyes couldn't help but fixate on Mariah's nether regions. The smoke had given him the munchies, and he craved a snack. Without any shame, he dove his face into Mariah's vagina,

devouring the feces that lay within. justpaste.it/MariahCareyMinecraftALHotPocket

Title: Justin Bieber and Mariah Carey in Their Steamy Hot Minecraft World - JustPaste.it

classy

hmm.

Biledramer is really bad at posting bait. No one heard of Justin Bieber or Mariah Carey in years.

hell, even minecraft isn't that popular anymore.

SKull: That's pretty true. Personally, I'm still trying to figure out how the feces got to where it was mentioned.

ek: maybe Biledramer just doesn't know the first thing about the female anatomy. Or Mariah Carey is really unsanitary.

SKull: It could very easily be both.

SKull: she did enter the bathroom where an old lady was already using it

in the Heartbreaker video

signalblue, SKull, ek: for chitchat you might want to #freebsd-social. this channel tries to stay in topic

So, is there a way to disable the beep noise when searching for a string in firefox where no results are found? I just plugged in speakers and it's stupidly loud compared to the rest of the system audio.

BillyJoeBob: check about:config

Garfield Has Sex with Nermal in Minecraft - Garfield lures Nermal into a Minecraft world and gangbangs him with Steve, the Ender Dragon, and Creeper. justpaste.it/Garfield_Sex_Nermal_Minecraft

Title: Garfield Has Sex with Nermal in Minecraft - JustPaste.it

sometimes i wish IRC would let you delete history

I connected an external monitor to my laptop and adjusted X11 using xrandr so the monitor is at a higher resolution than the built in screen and it's now the primary output. however when I switch back to a VT there is a fair amount of framebuffer space to the right and at the bottom that does not show on the external monitor. also the mode is wrong in that there are black bars on the left and right. is

there a way to fix this? I'm using i915kms.ko

when i'm running bhyve for the first time to install the OS on a vm guest, the initial boot screen is there for 10 seconds. any way to disable it? AFTER the OS is installed it's not a prob because i set autoboot_delay="-1" in /boot/loader.conf. it's the first boot i can't figure out how to change. is the only option to change the file in the

installer iso that bhyve boots with?

maybe you could mount the .iso, copy the files to a writable location, change /boot/loader.conf in there and then make a new .iso

well ya that was the last sentence i said

was just hoping there was a way without modifying the iso

polyex: is there a reason you haven't made your own VM images yet?

made my own vm image?

do you mean .iso installer image?

no, i mean, you do an install, then take snapshot of that, and use it for the next VM

hrmmmm… that would require something like cloud-init tho, to modify hostname settings, and whatnot

well i'm getting there. first i gotta get scripted bsdinstall done. THEN i can use it to install a new vm, THEN i can get into snapshotting and cloning

hmm

why's cloud init required?

to modify hostname ... when?

at first boot of a cloned vm, presumably

ok well all that stuff is next step

it, or something like it, is useful to make some settings you're gonna make on every machine (albeit differently)

k i'll check it out next

ty

but so for my question, is the only way to do it to modify /boot/loader.conf in the installer .iso then repack it?

like no way to force bhyve to do it when it starts the vm installer?

Hostname, SSH Keys, growfs, Bikeshed growfs: reviews.freebsd.org/D27161 , configure network, DNS, ntp, setup sudo, install packages, configure configuration Management, phone home and tell ET everything is going to be okay

Title: ⚙ D27161 growfs: make exit codes more consistent

polyex: We have some provisions for that. freshports.org/search.php?query=fir…t=1&casesensitivity=caseinsensitive

for my question or for the cloud-init thing you're talking about?

we can also do growfs (in fact, i use our growfs service in cloud-init)

ah, misunderstood your question.

So, basically, you'd have to send a key (enter) to the boot screen

I don't know if we have any tool for doing that

send a key to the boot screen for what?

to shorten the default countdown of ten to one (or zero) on the first boot

oh, actual keyboard key. ya i do that now manually

i guess the answer is no it's not possible without modifying the loader file in the installer iso, ok

ty

wait

ya?

So you have a console open? your machine has a console of some sort?

you're not doing completely unattended installs?

no i'm watching it run in a bhyve guest vm through vnc

it starts, completes, reboots, all automated except my manual key press to skip the 10 second wait lol

yeah, so, I'm thinking, if you could connect to the serial console instead of vnc with something like man.freebsd.org/expect(1)

Title: expect(1)

that one is very old school. maybe the days there's better things at hand

if i won't ever use a mouse with this server can i block ums0 from loading or would that block usb keyboards too? can i make bhyve start vm with usb keyboard but NO mouse?

or just make bhyve start up with no mouse device

so then maybe the OS won't auto load its driver?

It has actually been stupid easy to work with raw disk images from a Windows system on FreeBSD! I've been in the process of dding a hard drive to a raw image, then shrinking the NTFS filesystem, shrinking the partition. I've made sure Windows still boots in VirtualBox. Now I'm copying the necessary partitions/mbr to a smaller raw disk image (from a terrabyte to 128gb) to eventually be converted to a

VirtualBox image.