potentially dumb question incoming:

what is the difference, between /usr/ports/sysutils/sysrc

and sysrc(8) built in?

qmr: what model, out of interest? and what vendor/device id?

DrKK: the port is obsolete

i.e. the port was created before the command was added to base

oh I see

sysrc has been in base since like George Bush Sr was President, no?

I must be misremembering

certainly since 2015 when I started using FreeBSD in earnest?

I am surprised there was a port.

sysrc was imported to base from ports in 2012

see commit 2a357efa9c

yeah.

thanks.

RhodiumToad: the usb3 reader?

ya

umass0: <Norelsys NS1081, class 0/0, rev 2.10/1.00, addr 2> on usbus1

bugzilla said it worked then stopped working w some patches

and person was able to get it working again playing w configs or source or something I don't want to dick around with it much now though

what's the output of usbconfig -d ... dump_device_desc

RhodiumToad: bsd.to/cuui/raw

Title: cuui

no, with the -d ... option specifying the reader device

usbconfig by itself will list the connected devices

like /dev/da something? It doesn't have that

ugenX.Y

for example, if I do usbconfig one of the output lines i have is:

ugen0.3: <Generic USB3.0 Card Reader> at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=SUPER (5.0Gbps) pwr=ON (224mA)

oh derp it's not plugged in now

and then I can do dpaste.org/uzNwz

Title: dpaste/uzNwz (Plain Code)

Title: dpaste/4i79r (Python)

hmm waiting like 10 minutes for directory listing of 1000 files over samba

computers are dumb

1073 items

local network or remote?

local

yea samba is shitting itself in the log files

I should have been a farmer

hmm seems vfs objects = zfsacl is required? and it seems it is per share not global? after putting that in the share it seems to be back to normal maybe

Let's say I have Postgres running on ZFS. When I want to do zfs snapshot, can I do that while Postgres is running and handling requests?

yes

as long as the whole postgres data dir, including pg_wal, is in a single atomic snapshot

ok, thanks

(there are ways to do it even if you have wal or tablespaces on separate datasets, etc., but it's more complex)

Does atomic means some extra requirements compared to normal snapshots here? I really don't know much about zfs.

no, zfs snapshots are atomic

awesome, thanks

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/Jr0g3tBt (Plain Code)

V_PauAmma_V: good idea

i have my own zfs layout ( quite different from default one ) and have question whether it is compatible with BE. i want to setup completely isolated BE for stable/14 for testing. naos/os/main is my /, it has bootfs flag set - termbin.com/93qn

angry_vincent: what's os/main? that correspond to zroot/ROOT ?

yes, it is the same as zroot/ROOT/default

very interested in your research, angry_vincent, as I don't like using "zroot" either, though in my case I just renamed the zpool to "system"

my idea is to create completely isolated be with all my packages with all configs, etc. but for stable/14

hello, I have a stray /tmp/pg_upgrade directory that doesn't go away upon reboot and that root can't remove: x0.at/e2RE.txt

chflags -R noschg pg_upgrade; rm -fr pg_upgrade

ls -lod ... directory will show you the current flags

is the strongswan package required (or even recommended) to set up an ipsec tunnel? (ikev2 eap)

it looks like since 11.1 we've had all the ipsec stuff built into the generic kernel

siix_office: The handbook doesn't say anything about strongswan.

Title: Chapter 16. Security | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Now, whether or not that supports IKEv2/EAP is another question.

I don't believe that it does.

doesn't look like it to me either

thanks jkc

of course.

is alfred perlstein still around?

i know i could look up his commits...

docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/contributors (if current) implies "still considered active".

Title: Contributors to FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Title: FreshPorts -- editors/orbiton: Small, fast and limited text editor in Go

The description on that port made the chuckle lol. Just straight out listing its anti-features, which is refreshing heh. "Never asks before saving and quitting", "Home and End are not detected", "Must be given a filename at start", "Copy, cut and paste is only available for one line at a time", "Some letters cannot be typed in, like the 'ash'

grapheme"

Today I was looking at the test(1) man page. I was trying to figure out if it's better/more idiomatic/more portable to use -h versus -L. The POSIX documentation just repeats the same discription for both options. The GNU man pages note that the two options are the same. But the various BSD man pages have a bit extra... FreeBSD says this about the -h option: "Do not rely on its existence; use -L

instead." but OpenBSD and NetBSD say this about the -L option: "Do not rely on its existence; use -h instead.". I'm curious if anyone knows the story here behind this conflict? Or if anyone has insight one should really use (I suspect it doesn't really actually matter).

_xor: part of the "worse is better" mantra :P

Hi all. I really want to try bsd. I have an instant show stopper.... I use pulsar-edit as my IDE, which is electron based and I cant see support arriving any time soon. electron/electron #3797 so i'm wondering what editors people use? i'm looking for something fairly light but good plugin support. i code mainly c++, php, bash, html, css, js, php and the features i most use are git integration, multi-cursors, syntax highlighting,

linting, function indexing and autocomplete, building and jump to errors. i liked sublime-edit but its not foss. vscode is popular but i dont like M$ and its electron based.. i see a port but being electron based i dont know how well it works. i used genie a long time ago was ok i guess. so what do the bsd folks tend to use?

Title: Add FreeBSD support to electron · Issue #3797 · electron/electron · GitHub

3797 – New port: starlanes-1.2.2 bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3797

bobemoe: Have you heard about our lord and savior, emacs? The unholy ones use vim.

i have heard and tried but never really managed to get into it

maybe i should re-visit and persist

bobemoe: Regardless of whether you choose vim or emacs, I do highly recommend using both with plugins. By themselves, they're kinda meh.

hm? emacs on its own is pretty good, though if you want git integration, magit is extremely good

when standing up a new mail server with Postfix and Dovecot, is the recommended approach with LDAP or should I just stick to Unix users/aliases as on system?

as in which method is cleaner/more reliable/time-tested/etc

I'm not sure there's a meaningful difference in how much either has been tested; LDAP will ensure future interoperability should you want to expand things, but that can also be accomplished after the fact using user/group and aliases via PAM, I think.

V_PauAmma_V: the contributors article isn't current by any means; alfred@ hasn't been active since 2007

TommyC, checking out emacs first, not sure i can ctrl that much! xahlee.info/emacs/emacs/emacs_kb_shortcuts_pain.html but there seem to be solutions on that site too, i suffer a bit of rsi anyway so some new techniques while i learn a new editor might be a good time

Title: Why Emacs Keys are Painful

bobemoe: Emacs is also insanely customizable. Just keep in mind, to get the most out of emacs, you have to get used to it's key bindings approach.

RhodiumToad, yeah saw magit looks good

kenrap, yeah the keybindings do look quite confusing, trying to find some logic in there :/

its certainly a learning curve!

There is logic and patterns to them, it's just a matter of if you like them or not.

debdrup: I'll go with LDAP, thanks.

kenrap, yeah i figured there must be some logic to them, just not sure what it is yet ;) shame about the physical location of them on modern keyboards, just looking at some ergonomic specific coding keyboards

See? You really have to love that ^

I'm too much of a lazy sinner to get the knack of it.

Ok, am I missing something? chmod a+rx yt-dlp

 yt-dlp -> fish: Unknown command: yt-dlp

is it in your path?

its in the folder Iam in

I do `ls`, i see yt-dlp there

Beladona: Unix doesn't put . in the path

the current directory is not usually on the path

oh so I can't run it in any dir?

./yt-dlp

same

env: python3: No such file or directory

ebay.co.uk/itm/115862490391 looks awesome, nice ctrl placement, not sure about the price :/

Title: Kinesis Advantage 2 KB600 Ergonomic Keyboard | eBay

there's a port for yt-dlp, I believe, which takes care of details like fixing the interpreter name

otherwise, install the python3 metaport

RhodiumToad, how many can you bind? just read something saying there was a limited number of user bindable keys, is that ture?

RhodiumToad I already have python311

what metaport?

python3

oh is python311 now the default version?

python3 just depends on the default python3x version and adds symlinks for "python3" etc.

RhodiumToad pastebin.mozilla.org/RazagMgS  luajit issue again. maybe we locked it

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/RazagMgS (Plain Code)

Beladona: why are you trying to install luajit-openresty?

thanks all for your input, i will certainly take a deeper look into emacs and vim.

I'd have probably used emacs more, but the three things that stop me from taking the time to do so are that 1) It was slow for certain things and though I don't remember exact details now, I ran into some issues with native compilation. My laptop is macOS and native compilation was somewhat painful there where as less painful on FreeBSD. 2) LSP

support, at the time at least, seemed to lag behind NeoVim and was slower too. 3) It's tough to get used to key chords when you're so used to modal commands/workflows :P

I do use emacs + org-mode heavily though.

Also, elisp > vimscript (though since it's lua now it's much easier).

...and yes, I know about evil mode.

RhodiumToad  its a python3 dep

no its not

wut

Heh, go further up the tree.

RhodiumToad imgur.com/389BoRz.png

Yeah, I know how much vimscript sucks and why elisp is better at integrating customizations

There has got to be something else that's causing luajit-openresty to be pulled in like that.

_xor: now that I recall it, Emacs 29 comes with native builtin support for LSP and 29.1 got released a month ago. So, you will need to cross out number 2 :)

Beladona: pkg rquery '%dn' python3

RhodiumToad python39

The most recent versions of packages are already installed

pkg: Package database is busy while closing!

do you have any other instances of 'pkg' running?

no

"Package database is busy while closing" is a message I've been getting semi-periodically on 14-CURRENT, but since it was introduced with freebsd/pkg 8af1054d995403 I'm wondering if it's indicative of some sort of race that existed.

Title: Emit an error message if sqlite3_close() fails. · freebsd/pkg@8af1054 · GitHub