Hmm, Matrix shows woland still here. I see other people left, but not woland

Great Yet Another Server to be out of sync with.

how do I pass /dev/filemon thru to a jail?

meena0: A couple jails I have for xrdp testing I'm passing /dev/dri to... let me see how I did that.

grahamperrin, I see (UTC timestamp): 23:07 -!- woland [~woland⊙1711] has quit [Quit: Leaving]

I remember it was with devfs

(I have no idea how the Matrix wormhole works, or even that there was one to here.)

skered: cp /etc/defaults/devfs.rules /etc/ ; edit that to be left with one new rule adding the filemon(4) device

Matrix users are super annoying. One is in an XMPP group chat I run.

He's always using weird markdown formatting and using the reply function to messages made less than 10 minutes before his.

That's tarring with a wide brush.

matrix is literally the only foss voip program that's nearly servicable enough.

teamspeak is good but it's proprietary

Mumble is pretty good.

does it let you have rooms you can talk in and come back to later

even irc does that

meena0: Yeah, with "add path filemon unhide"

And make sure that rule set is enabled with that jail

johnjaye: yes

meena0: gist.github.com/derekschrock/df28f0099cdff13f49d06c8d4c70ff23 That's my dri ruleset.

Title: gist:df28f0099cdff13f49d06c8d4c70ff23 · GitHub

V_PauAmma_V: I'm using Matrix. The brief visit earlier from grahamperrin_ was with HexChat.

skered: here's mine: gist.github.com/igalic/5167a93f36eefe53369ba89f4589a196

Title: gist:5167a93f36eefe53369ba89f4589a196 · GitHub

Bridging began around two years ago. <matrix.org/blog/2021/05/28/this-wee…1-05-28#liberachat-irc-network-news> (three paragraphs, including one quote),

Title: This Week in Matrix 2021-05-28 | Matrix.org

<matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc #1324#issuecomment-860694474> (2021-06-14)

> Hi folks, the bridge is effectively live now and we're not going to monitor this thread for bug reports. We'd instead ask you interact via either the #libera-matrix:libera.chat Matrix room or create a new issue on this repo for us to triage.

Title: Bridge libera.chat · Issue #1324 · matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc · GitHub

1324 – Bug for routed about Multi cast discavary bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1324

off-topic question, haven't built a pc in a while and now I notice the power supplies come separate from the chassis

the chassis I bought says this power supply is compatible: fractal-design.com/products/power-s…upplies/ion/ion-platinum-760w/black

Title: Ion+ 760W Platinum — Fractal Design

last1: i'm afraid to ask but, when was the last time you built a pc

but this power supply has no cables ? Is that separate too now ?

built a pc ? looong time ago, I bought my last 2 already built

ok. because it's been a decade since i built a pc and i don't understand your question at all

so i was afraid you might say, you built a C128 or something. XD

well, I build tons of servers and the chassis comes with power supplies

last1: many power supplies now have modular cables. So instead of having a huge bundle of cables hanging around, you just plug in the ones you need. They come with the necessary cables

phew, was afraid I'd have to spend extra for that

Generally only super low-end cases came with their own power supply

if you do know how to build a C128 and also how to install bsd on it though let me know.

:))

the worst I did was to install minix on an old ass laptop

required some intense tweaking though

Those modular cables are only on the high-end power supplies AFAIK. So to my eyes that one looks like a high-end power supply.

It also has the 80 Plus Cert stamp of approval too. Which has questionable certification practices (vendor submits exactly one lab unit for the certification), but of my supplies those have been very good regardless.

thanks, I ended up going for a cheaper one

but cables are included too, so they say

I got this one: thermaltake.com/toughpower-gf-a3-gold-750w-tt-premium-edition.html

Title: TOUGHPOWER GF A3 Gold 750W - TT Premium Editionen-GF1_snow_750

I retired a single CPU server, but still pretty powerful. An E3-1270v6, with 64Gb of 2400mhz ram

so I figured I might turn it into my next desktop

little did I know, the motherboard - supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/x11ssh-ctf - only had pci x8 slot

Title: X11SSH-CTF | Motherboards | Products | Supermicro

and there are no gpus available anymore in pci x8

so I bought a pci riser cable pci x16 -> pci x8 , but then I had no vertical gpu slot..so I needed a new chassis

you see where this is going...

ended up buying this chassis which has vertical gpu slots: fractal-design.com/products/cases/m…eshify/meshify-2/black-tg-dark-tint

Title: Meshify 2 — Fractal Design

so far I'm down 500$ on accessories

The E3-1270v6 is actually a newer version of the CPU I am typing on now. You say single CPU but we would say single socket. It has 4 CPU cores. From 2017 so not really very old either.

And yes when you upgrade one thing it can force an upgrade of another thing.

sorry, yes, single socket

really weird for Intel to have kept the v6 appelation for the E3 but for E5 they went with SP

I mean, E5 stopped @ v4

will freebsd run on the nvidia desktop cpu?

how do I tune freebsd for large numbers of files?

nvidia has a CPU now?

I do have FreeBSD working with my Nvidia video card, though, yes. It's a pain in the ass though.

nvidia official drivers have weird default options. fortunately the pkg packages work fine now

unfortunately the LINUX option is on by default in the package... it really should be off

how many files is a large number?

xtile: why should it be off?

Because if I wanted to be using Linux, I'd be using it. :P

likewise, but that doesn't mean I don't use the linux compatibility stuff

RhodiumToad: i haven't used it at all. does it have any problems?

what, the linux stuff?

it works well enough for my printer driver to work, which is about all I care about

yes

i see

i guess i meant, what is the main use of linux compatibility

i assume it's not, make my bash script or my make file run without changes

the main use is to be able to run linux binaries

yeah. the command line utils like make are different. but similar-ish enough a lot

number of file? hmmm hard to say does freebsd defaults with ufs hande 100s of 1,000s?

how so I see number of open files on freebsd?

Hi there, is there tool to automate file rotation ( something like log rotation ). I need that to maintain some number of copies zfs snapshots

I am using iceWM and chrome has gone all white can't use the browser....what might be the problem???

concrete_houses, use firefox

I use firefox wherever I can - but due to corporate crap-ware (like citrix web-client, or else) I am forced to use chromium from time to time :D

firefox works

concrete_houses: ulimit -a

nerozero: there are a few in the ports to do that; zfsnap, zfs-snapshot-mgmt , or write your own

rtprio thanks !

i found the premade ones too complex, i hacked a script to do most of it myself

open files (-n) 228771

# sysctl -a|grep files

kern.maxfiles: 254192

oow should I up that?

sysctl kern.maxfiles=<whatever> # Or, set in /etc/sysctl.conf for long term use

kern.maxfilesperproc: 228771

# sysctl kern.maxfilesperproc=854192

kern.maxfilesperproc: 228771 -> 854192

# sysctl kern.maxfiles=854192

kern.maxfiles: 254192 -> 854192

why do you need that many files

praytell

( not a word but "ponytail" is)

"pray tell"

old-fashioned

—used for emphasis to demand an answer when asking someone for a reason, explanation, etc.

"praytell" is not same as "pray tell"

"Would somebody please think of Significant Space?"

...

hi all

Hi.

EHLO

torrent

firefox

qbittorrent should be only opening 240 files

maybe it opens more

opwned new xterm restarted qbittorrent and open files same

hmmmm

some other limiting setting?

/dev/da1p2 on /a (ufs, local, soft-updates, journaled soft-updates)

RhodiumToad: re: GNU programs and binary/text files, I don't know about grep and it's been a while since I checked GNU diff, but when I did, it only scanned the first kilbyte or so looking for a 0 byte

or was it the diff imported from OpenBSD?...

is there anything specific I'd have to do to allow a jail the creation and deletion of schg flagged files?

meena0: security.jail.chflags_allowed?

oh, that one says it's deprecated, security.jail.param.allow.chflags

meena@vault13 ~> sudo -H sysctl security.jail.param.allow.chflags=1

security.jail.param.allow.chflags: 0 -> 0

boot time param?

and kern.securelevel: -1 shouldn't be the problem

allow.chflags in jail.conf seems to set the former (wonder why not the latter)

yuripv: "bug"?

Does anyone here has a working firefox setup where screen-sharing/-capture does not unexpectedly quit the browser? (in chromium it is working without any problems)

you mean Take screenshot -option? seems to be working here

well... no, I was using nextcloud talk (within the nextcloud web-ui), and yesterday it always crashed when I was trying to enable screensharing -> I must have installed something that fixed it, since it's working right now (I've just tried it)

and yeah, I might ask "stupid questions" from time to time... I'm new to FreeBSD and am setting up my desktop environment to finally get rid of macOS and Windows :D

you installed freebsd for desktop use, RhDoc?

yeah - right now it seems pretty promising to use as a daily driver

is there any kind of relationship between system idle % and system load ?

for example, sometimes my server shows a load of 3 but 98% idle

how does that relate ?

last1: load is averaged over 1/5/15 minutes. and numbers relate to the cores. the idle is quite "current" and is over all cores.

Is it possible to skip the bootloader installation during the freebsd install process?

hakerdefo: if you're installing into a jail

@meena0 I'm planning on installing it on the physical hard-drive via the default installer and I don't want the installer to overwrite the Grub2 that is already there. Is this possible?

grub can be configured to boot freebsd partitions yes but it may require manual editing of the config file

@johnjaye What I want to find out is whether or not is it possible to skip the bootloader from being installed.

it is yes. i used to dual boot bsd and linux for a short time. but i don't remember how

@johnjaye I went through the official documentation's install section but didn't see anything related to bootloader there.

when in doubt, ask stackexchange.

The *EASY* way to multi-boot, is to use the FreeBSD boot manager.

OSes just need to be installed to primary partitions and be configured to boot from their partition's boot sector, not from the MBR.

The FreeBSD boot manager, also has this wonderful feature where it always defaults to the last OS booted. . . so you can reboot it remotely, and know it'll come-up in the last OS booted.

Before the age of virtualization, I used to create all sorts of crazy multi-boot combinations.

hrm. so i have two onboard NICs combined into a lagg port with LACP. i keep having it flap up and down, and the debug messages aren't helping much. connected to a small biz cisco, getting errors like this dpaste.org/NHsQ0/raw

is freebsd going to use lockless alogs in the future?

will freebsd run on the new nvidia cpu?

I upped some sysctls yesterday but same number of open files...

concrete_houses: what's a lockless alog?

does ulimit -a show actual open files or a limit #?

lockless algorithm

does it use red black tree? lindaspace?

communicating sequential processes?

cs.kent.ac.uk/projects/ofa/kroc/rmox-cpa.pdf check this out!

an operating system built of communicating sequential processes

or maybe the actor model?

# ulimit -n

228771

# sysctl -a | grep files

kern.maxfiles: 854192

kern.maxfilesperproc: 854192

kern.openfiles: 1210

so what is ulimit -n showing vs kern.openfiles?

I can leave things, but I am kinda curious if I am missing one more setting which might let apps open more files.... and perform better

I have not added anything to sysctl.conf

# cat /boot/loader.conf

snd_hda_load="YES"

cuse_load="YES"

kern.ipc.somaxconn=809

8096

Demosthenex, include your rc.conf syntax for lagg0, bge0 & bge1, and also your 'ifconfig -a' output.

Title: The Linda Model and System

CrtxReavr: yeah, soon as i can reconnect ;] hehe

Did you see active/passive mode?

Same at both ends?

For LACP I mean.

Actually, you should also include your switch confifg for Po1 & the individual ports.

CrtxReavr: yeah, i'm not up to date on the cisco cli. but i did make a PCG on the webui, and assigned both ports to it

CrtxReavr: dpaste.org/FPfwj/raw

Demosthenex, on the freebsd side, netstat -i & netstat -m

Also, you didnt' include the ifconfig_bge* lines from rc.conf

ifconfig_bge{0,1}="UP"

Look at the 'Ierrs' column of your netstat -i output.

I don't see any issues in netstat -m

i see ierr and oerr, not why. i'll go check my port counters though

i've been getting flapping for weeks

i read i may have to disable vlan

though i'm not using any

Also Oerrs for 'odin4

Yeah, looks like you're only using one subnet, so tagging VLAN traffic isn't doing you any good.

I'm not sure it's doing you any harm.

i saw ifconfig had vlan set on lagg0, but i didn't set it ;]

YOu mean on options?

I would try different cable and/or switch port for bge0 though.

Ierrs is normally either an L1 issue, or TX buffer issue.

or hell, just disocnnect bge0 and see if your flaps go away - let LACP do its job. >=]

CrtxReavr: yeah, i've tried stopping ports. i just would have to move things on the switch. i'll test.