00:01:01 <grahamperrin> Hmm, Matrix shows woland still here. I see other people left, but not woland
00:02:00 <skered> Great Yet Another Server to be out of sync with.
00:03:43 <meena0> how do I pass /dev/filemon thru to a jail?
00:06:38 <skered> meena0: A couple jails I have for xrdp testing I'm passing /dev/dri to... let me see how I did that.
00:07:30 <V_PauAmma_V> grahamperrin, I see (UTC timestamp): 23:07 -!- woland [~woland⊙1711] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
00:07:45 <skered> I remember it was with devfs
00:12:29 <V_PauAmma_V> (I have no idea how the Matrix wormhole works, or even that there was one to here.)
00:12:53 <meena0> skered: cp /etc/defaults/devfs.rules /etc/ ; edit that to be left with one new rule adding the filemon(4) device
00:12:59 <xtile> Matrix users are super annoying.  One is in an XMPP group chat I run.
00:13:20 <xtile> He's always using weird markdown formatting and using the reply function to messages made less than 10 minutes before his.
00:14:05 <V_PauAmma_V> That's tarring with a wide brush.
00:14:48 <johnjaye> matrix is literally the only foss voip program that's nearly servicable enough.
00:14:58 <johnjaye> teamspeak is good but it's proprietary
00:16:25 <xtile> Mumble is pretty good.
00:17:48 <johnjaye> does it let you have rooms you can talk in and come back to later
00:18:04 <johnjaye> even irc does that
00:18:47 <skered> meena0: Yeah, with "add path filemon unhide"
00:19:04 <skered> And make sure that rule set is enabled with that jail
00:19:07 <xtile> johnjaye: yes
00:19:54 <skered> meena0: https://gist.github.com/derekschrock/df28f0099cdff13f49d06c8d4c70ff23   That's my dri ruleset.
00:19:56 <VimDiesel> Title: gist:df28f0099cdff13f49d06c8d4c70ff23 · GitHub
00:21:04 <grahamperrin> V_PauAmma_V: I'm using Matrix. The brief visit earlier from grahamperrin_ was with HexChat.
00:23:58 * V_PauAmma_V nods at grahamperrin.
00:25:15 <meena0> skered: here's mine: https://gist.github.com/igalic/5167a93f36eefe53369ba89f4589a196
00:25:17 <VimDiesel> Title: gist:5167a93f36eefe53369ba89f4589a196 · GitHub
00:25:49 <grahamperrin> Bridging began around two years ago. <https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/28/this-week-in-matrix-2021-05-28#liberachat-irc-network-news> (three paragraphs, including one quote),
00:25:50 <VimDiesel> Title: This Week in Matrix 2021-05-28 | Matrix.org
00:26:37 <grahamperrin> <https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1324#issuecomment-860694474> (2021-06-14)
00:26:38 <grahamperrin>  > Hi folks, the bridge is effectively live now and we're not going to monitor this thread for bug reports. We'd instead ask you interact via either the #libera-matrix:libera.chat Matrix room or create a new issue on this repo for us to triage.
00:26:42 <VimDiesel> Title: Bridge libera.chat · Issue #1324 · matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc · GitHub
00:26:42 <VimDiesel> 1324 – Bug for routed about Multi cast discavary https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1324
00:36:50 * V_PauAmma_V nods thanks at grahamperrin.
01:11:24 <last1> off-topic question, haven't built a pc in a while and now I notice the power supplies come separate from the chassis
01:11:36 <last1> the chassis I bought says this power supply is compatible: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/power-supplies/ion/ion-platinum-760w/black/
01:11:37 <VimDiesel> Title: Ion+ 760W Platinum — Fractal Design
01:11:47 <johnjaye> last1: i'm afraid to ask but, when was the last time you built a pc
01:11:53 <last1> but this power supply has no cables ? Is that separate too now ?
01:12:46 <last1> built a pc ? looong time ago, I bought my last 2 already built
01:13:05 <johnjaye> ok. because it's been a decade since i built a pc and i don't understand your question at all
01:13:23 <johnjaye> so i was afraid you might say, you built a C128 or something. XD
01:13:42 <last1> well, I build tons of servers and the chassis comes with power supplies
01:13:51 <edenist> last1: many power supplies now have modular cables. So instead of having a huge bundle of cables hanging around, you just plug in the ones you need. They come with the necessary cables
01:14:35 <last1> phew, was afraid I'd have to spend extra for that
01:14:40 <edenist> Generally only super low-end cases came with their own power supply
01:16:12 <johnjaye> if you do know how to build a C128 and also how to install bsd on it though let me know.
01:17:17 <last1> :))
01:17:32 <last1> the worst I did was to install minix on an old ass laptop
01:17:42 <last1> required some intense tweaking though
01:19:46 <rwp> Those modular cables are only on the high-end power supplies AFAIK.  So to my eyes that one looks like a high-end power supply.
01:20:50 <rwp> It also has the 80 Plus Cert stamp of approval too.  Which has questionable certification practices (vendor submits exactly one lab unit for the certification), but of my supplies those have been very good regardless.
01:21:59 <last1> thanks, I ended up going for a cheaper one
01:22:11 <last1> but cables are included too, so they say
01:22:26 <last1> I got this one: https://www.thermaltake.com/toughpower-gf-a3-gold-750w-tt-premium-edition.html
01:22:27 <VimDiesel> Title: TOUGHPOWER GF A3 Gold 750W - TT Premium Editionen-GF1_snow_750
01:23:45 <last1> I retired a single CPU server, but still pretty powerful. An E3-1270v6, with 64Gb of 2400mhz ram
01:23:51 <last1> so I figured I might turn it into my next desktop
01:24:13 <last1> little did I know, the motherboard - https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/x11ssh-ctf - only had pci x8 slot
01:24:14 <VimDiesel> Title: X11SSH-CTF | Motherboards | Products | Supermicro
01:24:21 <last1> and there are no gpus available anymore in pci x8
01:24:53 <last1> so I bought a pci riser cable pci x16 -> pci x8 , but then I had no vertical gpu slot..so I needed a new chassis
01:24:56 <last1> you see where this is going...
01:26:14 <last1> ended up buying this chassis which has vertical gpu slots: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-2/black-tg-dark-tint/
01:26:15 <VimDiesel> Title: Meshify 2 — Fractal Design
01:26:23 <last1> so far I'm down 500$ on accessories
01:34:34 <rwp> The E3-1270v6 is actually a newer version of the CPU I am typing on now.  You say single CPU but we would say single socket.  It has 4 CPU cores.  From 2017 so not really very old either.
01:35:00 <rwp> And yes when you upgrade one thing it can force an upgrade of another thing.
01:36:29 <last1> sorry, yes, single socket
01:36:45 <last1> really weird for Intel to have kept the v6 appelation for the E3 but for E5 they went with SP
01:36:59 <last1> I mean, E5 stopped @ v4
02:04:44 <concrete_houses> will freebsd run on the nvidia desktop cpu?
02:05:11 <concrete_houses> how do I tune freebsd for large numbers of files?
02:08:05 <xtile> nvidia has a CPU now?
02:08:28 <xtile> I do have FreeBSD working with my Nvidia video card, though, yes.  It's a pain in the ass though.
02:09:03 <xtile> nvidia official drivers have weird default options.  fortunately the pkg packages work fine now
02:09:45 <xtile> unfortunately the LINUX option is on by default in the package... it really should be off
02:11:55 <RhodiumToad> how many files is a large number?
02:21:06 <RhodiumToad> xtile: why should it be off?
02:21:32 <xtile> Because if I wanted to be using Linux, I'd be using it. :P
02:22:23 <RhodiumToad> likewise, but that doesn't mean I don't use the linux compatibility stuff
02:28:19 <johnjaye> RhodiumToad: i haven't used it at all. does it have any problems?
02:29:18 <RhodiumToad> what, the linux stuff?
02:29:36 <RhodiumToad> it works well enough for my printer driver to work, which is about all I care about
02:29:37 <johnjaye> yes
02:29:43 <johnjaye> i see
04:22:43 <johnjaye> i guess i meant, what is the main use of linux compatibility
04:22:57 <johnjaye> i assume it's not, make my bash script or my make file run without changes
04:23:46 <RhodiumToad> the main use is to be able to run linux binaries
04:24:20 <johnjaye> yeah. the command line utils like make are different. but similar-ish enough a lot
05:46:34 <concrete_houses> number of file?  hmmm   hard to say does freebsd defaults with ufs hande 100s of 1,000s?
05:47:22 <concrete_houses> how so I see number of open files on freebsd?
05:48:51 <nerozero> Hi there, is there tool to automate file rotation ( something like log rotation ). I need that to maintain some number of copies zfs snapshots
05:52:00 <concrete_houses> I am using iceWM and chrome has gone all white can't use the browser....what might be the problem???
05:52:37 <nerozero> concrete_houses, use firefox
05:55:29 <RhDoc> I use firefox wherever I can - but due to corporate crap-ware (like citrix web-client, or else) I am forced to use chromium from time to time :D
06:02:12 <concrete_houses> firefox works
06:41:00 <rtprio> concrete_houses: ulimit -a
06:42:00 <rtprio> nerozero: there are a few in the ports to do that; zfsnap, zfs-snapshot-mgmt , or write your own
06:42:32 <nerozero> rtprio thanks !
06:49:15 <rtprio> i found the premade ones too complex, i hacked a script to do most of it myself
07:06:17 <concrete_houses> open files                      (-n)  228771
07:07:00 <concrete_houses>  # sysctl -a|grep files
07:07:00 <concrete_houses> kern.maxfiles: 254192
07:07:07 <concrete_houses> oow should I up that?
07:08:04 <parv> sysctl kern.maxfiles=<whatever>  # Or, set in /etc/sysctl.conf for long term use
07:08:15 <concrete_houses> kern.maxfilesperproc: 228771
07:08:55 <concrete_houses>  # sysctl kern.maxfilesperproc=854192
07:08:56 <concrete_houses> kern.maxfilesperproc: 228771 -> 854192
07:09:07 <concrete_houses>  # sysctl kern.maxfiles=854192
07:09:08 <concrete_houses> kern.maxfiles: 254192 -> 854192
07:16:28 <rtprio> why do you need that many files
07:16:31 <rtprio> praytell
07:17:18 <parv> ( not a word but "ponytail" is)
07:19:11 <rtprio> "pray tell"
07:19:27 <rtprio> old-fashioned
07:19:28 <rtprio> —used for emphasis to demand an answer when asking someone for a reason, explanation, etc.
07:23:39 <parv> "praytell" is not same as "pray tell"
07:24:31 <parv> "Would somebody please think of Significant Space?"
07:25:20 <rtprio> ...
07:25:33 <adilix> hi all
07:26:07 <angry_vincent> Hi.
07:26:38 <rtprio> EHLO
07:33:05 <concrete_houses> torrent
07:34:09 <concrete_houses> firefox
07:34:27 <concrete_houses> qbittorrent should be only opening 240 files
07:34:36 <concrete_houses> maybe it opens more
07:38:56 <concrete_houses> opwned new xterm restarted qbittorrent and open files same
07:38:58 <concrete_houses> hmmmm
07:44:28 <concrete_houses> some other limiting setting?
07:48:09 <concrete_houses> /dev/da1p2 on /a (ufs, local, soft-updates, journaled soft-updates)
08:23:06 <pstef> RhodiumToad: re: GNU programs and binary/text files, I don't know about grep and it's been a while since I checked GNU diff, but when I did, it only scanned the first kilbyte or so looking for a 0 byte
08:23:36 <pstef> or was it the diff imported from OpenBSD?...
08:57:02 <meena0> is there anything specific I'd have to do to allow a jail the creation and deletion of schg flagged files?
08:58:53 <yuripv> meena0: security.jail.chflags_allowed?
08:59:48 <yuripv> oh, that one says it's deprecated, security.jail.param.allow.chflags
09:02:14 <meena0> meena@vault13 ~> sudo -H sysctl security.jail.param.allow.chflags=1
09:02:14 <meena0> security.jail.param.allow.chflags: 0 -> 0
09:02:18 <meena0> boot time param?
09:03:52 <meena0> and kern.securelevel: -1 shouldn't be the problem
09:04:33 <yuripv> allow.chflags in jail.conf seems to set the former (wonder why not the latter)
09:05:42 <meena0> yuripv: "bug"?
11:11:54 <RhDoc> Does anyone here has a working firefox setup where screen-sharing/-capture does not unexpectedly quit the browser? (in chromium it is working without any problems)
11:15:47 <la_mettrie> you mean Take screenshot -option? seems to be working here
11:25:10 <RhDoc> well... no, I was using nextcloud talk (within the nextcloud web-ui), and yesterday it always crashed when I was trying to enable screensharing -> I must have installed something that fixed it, since it's working right now (I've just tried it)
11:27:13 <RhDoc> and yeah, I might ask "stupid questions" from time to time... I'm new to FreeBSD and am setting up my desktop environment to finally get rid of macOS and Windows :D
11:35:31 <kn07_> you installed freebsd for desktop use, RhDoc?
11:36:39 <RhDoc> yeah - right now it seems pretty promising to use as a daily driver
13:40:15 <last1> is there any kind of relationship between system idle % and system load ?
13:40:34 <last1> for example, sometimes my server shows a load of 3 but 98% idle
13:40:47 <last1> how does that relate ?
14:20:40 <ridcully_> last1: load is averaged over 1/5/15 minutes.  and numbers relate to the cores.  the idle is quite "current" and is over all cores.
18:03:18 <hakerdefo> Is it possible to skip the bootloader installation during the freebsd install process?
18:14:09 <meena0> hakerdefo: if you're installing into a jail
18:22:04 <hakerdefo> @meena0 I'm planning on installing it on the physical hard-drive via the default installer and I don't want the installer to overwrite the Grub2 that is already there. Is this possible?
18:23:36 <johnjaye> grub can be configured to boot freebsd partitions yes but it may require manual editing of the config file
18:27:39 <hakerdefo> @johnjaye What I want to find out is whether or not is it possible to skip the bootloader from being installed.
18:28:27 <johnjaye> it is yes. i used to dual boot bsd and linux for a short time. but i don't remember how
18:30:18 <hakerdefo> @johnjaye I went through the official documentation's install section but didn't see anything related to bootloader there.
18:34:54 <johnjaye> when in doubt, ask stackexchange.
19:45:13 <CrtxReavr> The *EASY* way to multi-boot, is to use the FreeBSD boot manager.
19:46:17 <CrtxReavr> OSes just need to be installed to primary partitions and be configured to boot from their partition's boot sector, not from the MBR.
19:47:08 <CrtxReavr> The FreeBSD boot manager, also has this wonderful feature where it always defaults to the last OS booted. . . so you can reboot it remotely, and know it'll come-up in the last OS booted.
19:47:43 <CrtxReavr> Before the age of virtualization, I used to create all sorts of crazy multi-boot combinations.
20:00:57 <Demosthenex> hrm. so i have two onboard NICs combined into a lagg port with LACP. i keep having it flap up and down, and the debug messages aren't helping much. connected to a small biz cisco, getting errors like this https://dpaste.org/NHsQ0/raw
20:02:56 <concrete_houses> is freebsd going to use lockless alogs in the future?
20:03:18 <concrete_houses> will freebsd run on the new nvidia cpu?
20:03:40 <concrete_houses> I upped some sysctls yesterday but same number of open files...
20:03:51 <Demosthenex> concrete_houses: what's a lockless alog?
20:03:55 <concrete_houses> does ulimit -a show actual open files or a limit #?
20:04:03 <concrete_houses> lockless algorithm
20:04:18 <concrete_houses> does it use red black tree? lindaspace?
20:04:44 <concrete_houses> communicating sequential processes?
20:05:12 <concrete_houses> https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/projects/ofa/kroc/rmox-cpa.pdf check this out!
20:05:30 <concrete_houses> an operating system built of communicating sequential processes
20:05:54 <concrete_houses> or maybe the actor model?
20:06:34 <concrete_houses>  # ulimit -n
20:06:34 <concrete_houses> 228771
20:06:51 <concrete_houses>  # sysctl -a | grep files
20:06:51 <concrete_houses> kern.maxfiles: 854192
20:06:52 <concrete_houses> kern.maxfilesperproc: 854192
20:07:07 <concrete_houses> kern.openfiles: 1210
20:07:25 <concrete_houses> so what is ulimit -n showing vs kern.openfiles?
20:08:50 <concrete_houses> I can leave things, but I am kinda curious if I am missing one more setting which might let apps open more files.... and perform better
20:09:43 <concrete_houses> I have not added anything to sysctl.conf
20:10:44 <concrete_houses>  # cat /boot/loader.conf
20:10:45 <concrete_houses> snd_hda_load="YES"
20:10:45 <concrete_houses> cuse_load="YES"
20:10:46 <concrete_houses> kern.ipc.somaxconn=809
20:11:00 <concrete_houses> 8096
20:13:35 <CrtxReavr> Demosthenex, include your rc.conf syntax for lagg0, bge0 & bge1, and also your 'ifconfig -a' output.
20:13:46 <concrete_houses> https://netlib.org/utk/papers/comp-phy7/node3.html
20:13:47 <VimDiesel> Title: The Linda Model and System
20:13:57 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: yeah, soon as i can reconnect ;] hehe
20:14:40 <CrtxReavr> Did you see active/passive mode?
20:14:44 <CrtxReavr> Same at both ends?
20:15:42 <CrtxReavr> For LACP I mean.
20:17:00 <CrtxReavr> Actually, you should also include your switch confifg for  Po1 & the individual ports.
20:19:48 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: yeah, i'm not up to date on the cisco cli. but i did make a PCG on the webui, and assigned both ports to it
20:20:10 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: https://dpaste.org/FPfwj/raw
20:22:28 <CrtxReavr> Demosthenex, on the freebsd side, netstat -i & netstat -m
20:23:44 <CrtxReavr> Also, you didnt' include the ifconfig_bge* lines from rc.conf
20:24:10 <Demosthenex> https://dpaste.org/MVcnk/raw
20:24:43 <Demosthenex> ifconfig_bge{0,1}="UP"
20:25:03 <CrtxReavr> Look at the 'Ierrs' column of your netstat -i output.
20:25:52 <CrtxReavr> I don't see any issues in netstat -m
20:26:50 <Demosthenex> i see ierr and oerr, not why. i'll go check my port counters though
20:26:57 <Demosthenex> i've been getting flapping for weeks
20:27:07 <Demosthenex> i read i may have to disable vlan
20:27:11 <Demosthenex> though i'm not using any
20:27:13 <CrtxReavr> Also Oerrs for 'odin4
20:27:51 <CrtxReavr> Yeah, looks like you're only using one subnet, so tagging VLAN traffic isn't doing you any good.
20:27:56 <CrtxReavr> I'm not sure it's doing you any harm.
20:28:07 <Demosthenex> i saw ifconfig had vlan set on lagg0, but i didn't set it ;]
20:28:51 <CrtxReavr> YOu mean on options?
20:30:41 <CrtxReavr> I would try different cable and/or switch port for bge0 though.
20:31:23 <CrtxReavr> Ierrs is normally either an L1 issue, or TX buffer issue.
20:32:13 <CrtxReavr> or hell, just disocnnect bge0 and see if your flaps go away - let LACP do its job.  >=]
20:59:53 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: yeah, i've tried stopping ports. i just would have to move things on the switch. i'll test.