people still use wifi? *blinks in 10g sfp*

rustyaxe: Yes

Most people aren't patient enough to drill their walls

LY2R

rustyaxe: do you have your homelab stuff on a prepaid meter

This mess will be running solar later in the year

right now im just estimating capacity while feeding it expensive mains power :O

is this the place where i can get help with freebsd ?

Indeed, ask questions.

ok

so im migrating from virtualbox to bhyve im created an ova file and converted it to an img file my question when running a vm create command to i just use the img file and just run vm start or do i need to run the vm install comamnd again

 

my drives start read/write activity at 3am automatically. Anything I should know?

updatedb or such probably

bsdbandit: ive seen peole talking of bhyve but no experience with, hang around n someone should know

Beladona: look in your cron jobs

Beladona: the periodic daily script

xtile what does it do and who runs it?

rustyaxe I have pg

but its not on that drive.

if you check root's mail, you'll see the output of it, Beladona

it's run by root

cron runs it every day to do cleanup tasks

in /etc/defaults/periodic.conf you can see some things listed

and the scripts are in /etc/periodic/daily/

'man periodic' has some documentation

checking

thanks

I like the weekly script since it updates the locate database.

I don't keep my computer on 24/7 so I sometimes run it manually.

omg

there has to be a way to configure a vm running in freebsd bhyve to connect to the net through a wireles interface

ugggggh

pci passthru in theory

or do you mean bridge the interface to the host's wireless?

im running byve on my freebsd laptop

ok. do i understand you're using vm-bhyve?

and i wanted to allow my vms to connect to the internet

yes

i am rtprio

what's your `vm switch list` look like? sounds like you need one that has your wireless as a port

banditlabs-sw standard bridge1 192.168.70.1/24 no - - -

i don't think you want an ip for it

can you destroy it and add it again without an ip

ok

then `vm swtich add banditlabs-sw wlan0` if wlan0 is your wireless

hey i also did the following project to get freebsd 802.11ac working on freebsd

Title: JRG Systems - 802.11ac on FreeBSD with wifibox

which required bhyve

oh shit

im going to try something

yeah this is nuts its not working for me rtprio

i wonder if i connect a usb ethernet

and it that way

wifibox makes it more complicated for sure

Question on ports and packages. I primarily use packages for binaries, however there is one piece of software I require that is only in ports. Any downsides/risks to installing one port and keeping the remainder of my system as packages

If you stick to the default options for that port, I think you should be good. (Provided the reason it's not available as a package isn't brokenness for it or a dependency.)

Well thats the thing. Im not sure why some things are available as packages and others are not, so I don't know the reason

Which port is it, and which FreeBSD version and architecture are you running?

amd64, 13.2 and the port is devel/git-cola - its not so much that I require it, but I would like to try this piece of software

RoyalYork: no downside, you can use either or both

perhaps you like compiling as it gives the computer something to do

perhaps you don't want to wait 2 hours for rust to compile, sure that's great too

"perhaps you like compiling as it gives the computer something to do" - You're a comedian I see

2 hours? it toook 11 minutes on my 10 year old computer last time i built it :o

but to be frank, Im compiling the port on a virtual machine and it's been running for 10 minutes thus far.

its quite tedious to sit through

go play with a different computer?

ive kinda growing to like this virtualizing thing.. i have 15 computers running different OSes i can test my projects on now. Slowly getting the freebsd setup for hamradio stuff, to test with it.. i've missed freebsd since going to dark side many years ago (linux) but things are making me want to go back

Hmm, it's available for me, says "pkg search cola". What makes you think it's not?

Title: dpaste/AiGs (Plain Text)

Not in my package list

I tried using unionfs, and it seems like it doesn't work?

is it root only or zfs only?

the bug section is also scary

RoyalYork, which packages branch are you using, latest or quarterly?

quarterly

Ah, that's probably it.

Thanks for troubleshooting V_PauAmma_V

And my "should be OK" answer earlier assumed you have the same branch for ports and packages. Otherwise, you may get conflicts between different versions of the same port.

About to upgrade to 13.2. Anyone encountered any issues?

mexen: only the people who have third party kernel modules, are once again finding out that for three months until 13.1 is out of support, ports are still built with it, so they have to compile those ports themselves

meena: I see, thanks. Very helpful. I am reviewing the release notes.

mexen: there's lots of good stuff in there, but also, there's one line of code by me, so think about it freebsd/freebsd-src #664

Title: apic: prevent divide by zero in CPU frequency init by igalic · Pull Request #664 · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub

Great!

Title: Mina: "good grief, i wrote this patch while driving in t…" - Cathode Church

can somebody running a post-openzfs import current run `zpool get all zroot` and tell me if you get a result at all?

dch: yes

(not zroot though, i have other name for root pool :)

zool, its just My Bad. thanks yuripv !

yeah I have envy here (NVMe) and embiggen (the mirrored pool that just keeps growing)

good morning my fellow freebsd hackers

:)

Hi.

hi!

mexen: My upgrade went fine. I run the RELEASE with quarterly updates (binary).

thorre: great! I’ve initiated mine.

iocage/iocage #1251#issuecomment-1512856790 haha

Title: Any ETA on a new release? · Issue #1251 · iocage/iocage · GitHub

1251 – aha0 and bt0(eisa) conflicts again. bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1251

i just love how /etc/fstab, /etc/mtab, mount(8) and /proc/self/mountinfo all have different outputs

I love writing regex

i wonder how many augeas lenses i have reimplemented over the decades in shitty regex

meena: augeas is so poorly documented :P

Demosthenex: my ad-hoc regex, otoh…

meena: i swim in regexp, they are worse documented ;]

particularly multiline multidatapoint matcehrs

s/matcehrs/matchers/

meena: if somebody ucl & libxo-ified these everybody would rejoice

from fstab, mtab, cron, mountd, the whole bally lot of them

i just want more tools like sysrc

Demosthenex: a pile of shell

(i want a sysrc for loader.conf)

yep

i'm spoiled... i think that there should be a supported command to update all the common things ;]

text files are nice, until they are formatted wrong or have typos

regexp is only half that

in the past 24h I received 5 spam e-mails regarding various valve products

ball valves, electrical valves, etc

is there a global spam campaign for selling valves going on ?

last1: maybe valve (the games company) is planning to do something nefarious to your account and bought spam to down that out

never used sysrc :-D

my *_enable="YES" are in correct manual order in rc.conf

meena: that possibility is quite troubling

VVD: you can also use service foo enable for same purpose

last1: you're welcome

meena, only vi /etc/rc.conf!!! :-D

meena, wouldn't the same extension (dots in names) work for loader.conf and sysctl.conf?

I think there is a small typo when I run `shutdown -r now`

"System shutdown time has arrivede from [user@host] ***"

mexen: its apparently not in 13.2 nor 14.0-CURRENT here? what FreeBSD version are you running?

sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c hasn't changed greatly in years

13.1 but I am about to finalize my upgrade to 13.2.

that line last changed since 1994

...System shutdown time has arrived\007\007\r\n")

Success, upgraded to 13.2

mexen: it likely overwrites some other message that had "from ..."? i think i saw something similar

yuripv: ah, I see.

yeah, "*** FINAL System shutdown message from ... **"

meena: sysrc -f /boot/loader.conf zfs_load="YES" works, just put an alias in for it

meena, What is this /etc/mtab and /proc/sef/mountinfo of which you speak? Are they not unknown in this realm? :-)

rwp: I had to patch up cloud-init to better support mount(8) and could not help notice the myriad of formats to retrieve the same information

Ah... cloud-init trying to be generic across different systems. Gotcha.

rwp: well, I'm trying to make it work on more than just Linux ;)

I am a huge proponent for portable code. For sysadmin mostly portable shell. Let me cheer you on in your endeavors!

I have so far not had a need to enable /proc on FreeBSD and since it is recommended against doing so I haven't done it.

year, proc is pretty groß

gross, despite ours being fairly limited, due to security concerns

On Linux systems I operate more than a few chroot-containers for sandboxing versions for $reasons and I try to avoid needing to mount /proc /sys /dev or others there unless required too. But other people often disagree claiming that simple things must require a full system. I disagree.

rwp: there's people who make their stuff run on unikernels, so i think requiring a full OS for each container is a bit ridiculous

rtprio, does that work for names containing dots, eg kern.geom.label.disk_ident.enable?

sysrc should work fine for names with . in

oh, pkg virtualbox broken again for 13.2 ? must be built manually i guess

hernan: yes. until 13.1 is EOL

hernan, Isn't bhyve the standard framework? What's the advantage of virtualbox over bhyve? Every time anyone mentions virtualbox on any list or channel it is always about the problems of it.

rwp: can stuff like vagrant use bhyve?

Glad to hear bhyve has no problems :)

I don't know. I don't use vagrant myself.

On the Linux side of things I am a heavy user of KVM via libvirt. I admit I am a novice at bhyve on FreeBSD.

rwp: i have bhyve on another machine, it works most of the time. however sometimes it freezes the ubuntu running on it. and i have no idea why

sometiimes it unfreezes after a couple seconds

Something freezing and unfreezing like that would be pretty annoying.

and i always also need to press ctrl, shift and alt to be able to click on stuff, otherwise the alt seems to be stuck

I have only experienced pause problems on overbooked systems without enough RAM and therefore the system must swap. It pauses while swapping.

hernan: i have that with libvirt as well on my linux box. They just have a different base assumption, whereas virtualbox was made to be integrated into a desktop experience.

But that's a self-inflicted problem due to resource constraints and not something that can be blamed on the virtualization framework.

right.. this machine that freezes has 16gb and nothing runnig except the ubuntu bhyve which i think uses 4GB

My VM which is overbooked is limited to 1GB of ram for the VM and so it is forced to swap at times.

so you mean that maybe if i increase the vm memory it will not freeze ?

i will try that

The shift-control-alt focus lock I am forgetting now which graphical viewer interfaces lock focus with that and which do not. They all blur together after a while.

hernan, If that is not enough ram for the tasks at hand then yes increasing the ram will help with that problem.

In my case I am positive that I am overtaxing it twice a day with the tasks it is doing. But the rest of the time it doesn't need the memory.

i will try to increase the ram.. that could be the cuprit =)

The confusing things about almost all VMs is that the VM itself doesn't know it is a virtualized system. So tools like top in the VM will report that all is happy. Must look at the host not the guest to get real actual information.

also another problem i have is, how to migrate vbox vms to bhyve..

i think i attempted to migrate in the past, but gave up before finishing the job

"qemu-img convert -f vmdk -O raw virtual_box_image.vmdk bhyve_raw_image.img" according to wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve#Q:_Can_I_use…irtualization_platforms_on_bhyve.3F

Title: bhyve - FreeBSD Wiki

sweet. i remember i used a similar qemu command when i attempted

i will try again soon, probably this weekend

I haven't converted between them myself yet. Hopefully the documentation on that is correct!

damn, im doing a make fetch-recursive for virtualbox and one package says:

===> py39-pytest-freezegun-0.4.2 is marked as broken: causes INTERNALERROR

failures in PyTest in many python-based ports, based on the assessment in

this comment: pytest-dev/pytest #10846.

Title: Issues · pytest-dev/pytest · GitHub

is it possible to force the download ?

aw that sucks =p... maybe i will be forced to install bhuve now

Since I am interacting I will simply say that I have no idea. Remember I have been avoiding virtualbox.

yes,... last time virtualbox had problems installing was when i attempted bhyve... but then virtualbox built and life followed

but now its not building

:P

and life must continue

I have been using libvirt for quite a while to run kvm guests on Linux systems. I am gearing myself up on bhyve now. At a glacial pace.

hmmmm

will check that

but that wasnt on my plans for this friday night =p

i guess i should have created a snapshot before upgrading

and then if something broke, i could go back to snapshot, right ?

I sympathize. It's Friday night soon and I now am debugging a VM in a remote datacenter that has systemd locked up on it.

zfs snapshot i mean

I would definitely take a zfs snapshot in order to make it possible to return to that state!

:D

i need to do this more frequently

i think i only used snapshot once in the past :(

I really miss zfs on the systems that don't have it. It has become my gold standard.