00:12:14 people still use wifi? *blinks in 10g sfp* 00:14:21 rustyaxe: Yes 00:14:34 Most people aren't patient enough to drill their walls 00:15:13 * V_PauAmma_V pets his laptop and its WiFi. Ssshhh, it's OK. I still love you. 00:16:44 * rustyaxe feeds his T3048-LY3R another 110Wh to continue switching packets at 1.8tbit/sec and sighs. This hobby is expensive 00:17:29 LY2R 00:18:45 rustyaxe: do you have your homelab stuff on a prepaid meter 00:19:30 This mess will be running solar later in the year 00:34:27 right now im just estimating capacity while feeding it expensive mains power :O 00:35:51 is this the place where i can get help with freebsd ? 00:38:38 Indeed, ask questions. 00:38:50 ok 00:40:15 so im migrating from virtualbox to bhyve im created an ova file and converted it to an img file my question when running a vm create command to i just use the img file and just run vm start or do i need to run the vm install comamnd again 00:40:19 01:01:04 my drives start read/write activity at 3am automatically. Anything I should know? 01:02:00 updatedb or such probably 01:02:17 bsdbandit: ive seen peole talking of bhyve but no experience with, hang around n someone should know 01:02:27 Beladona: look in your cron jobs 01:02:33 Beladona: the periodic daily script 01:03:15 xtile what does it do and who runs it? 01:03:52 rustyaxe I have pg 01:04:00 but its not on that drive. 01:05:05 if you check root's mail, you'll see the output of it, Beladona 01:05:05 it's run by root 01:05:40 cron runs it every day to do cleanup tasks 01:05:56 in /etc/defaults/periodic.conf you can see some things listed 01:06:12 and the scripts are in /etc/periodic/daily/ 01:11:07 'man periodic' has some documentation 01:12:06 checking 01:12:07 thanks 01:31:43 I like the weekly script since it updates the locate database. 01:31:53 I don't keep my computer on 24/7 so I sometimes run it manually. 01:38:15 omg 01:38:49 there has to be a way to configure a vm running in freebsd bhyve to connect to the net through a wireles interface 01:38:52 ugggggh 01:44:28 pci passthru in theory 01:44:47 or do you mean bridge the interface to the host's wireless? 01:45:07 im running byve on my freebsd laptop 01:45:25 ok. do i understand you're using vm-bhyve? 01:45:26 and i wanted to allow my vms to connect to the internet 01:45:29 yes 01:45:36 i am rtprio 01:45:59 what's your `vm switch list` look like? sounds like you need one that has your wireless as a port 01:46:54 banditlabs-sw standard bridge1 192.168.70.1/24 no - - - 01:48:06 i don't think you want an ip for it 01:48:34 can you destroy it and add it again without an ip 01:48:42 ok 01:49:00 then `vm swtich add banditlabs-sw wlan0` if wlan0 is your wireless 01:51:00 hey i also did the following project to get freebsd 802.11ac working on freebsd 01:51:03 https://jrgsystems.com/posts/2022-04-20-802.11ac-on-freebsd-with-wifibox/ 01:51:04 Title: JRG Systems - 802.11ac on FreeBSD with wifibox 01:51:13 which required bhyve 01:52:08 oh shit 01:52:23 im going to try something 02:05:06 yeah this is nuts its not working for me rtprio 02:05:18 i wonder if i connect a usb ethernet 02:05:28 and it that way 02:11:05 wifibox makes it more complicated for sure 02:44:28 Question on ports and packages. I primarily use packages for binaries, however there is one piece of software I require that is only in ports. Any downsides/risks to installing one port and keeping the remainder of my system as packages 02:46:49 If you stick to the default options for that port, I think you should be good. (Provided the reason it's not available as a package isn't brokenness for it or a dependency.) 02:47:51 Well thats the thing. Im not sure why some things are available as packages and others are not, so I don't know the reason 02:54:58 Which port is it, and which FreeBSD version and architecture are you running? 02:55:41 amd64, 13.2 and the port is devel/git-cola - its not so much that I require it, but I would like to try this piece of software 02:56:24 RoyalYork: no downside, you can use either or both 02:56:39 perhaps you like compiling as it gives the computer something to do 02:56:52 perhaps you don't want to wait 2 hours for rust to compile, sure that's great too 02:57:52 "perhaps you like compiling as it gives the computer something to do" - You're a comedian I see 02:58:48 2 hours? it toook 11 minutes on my 10 year old computer last time i built it :o 02:59:01 but to be frank, Im compiling the port on a virtual machine and it's been running for 10 minutes thus far. 02:59:10 its quite tedious to sit through 03:01:34 go play with a different computer? 03:02:44 ive kinda growing to like this virtualizing thing.. i have 15 computers running different OSes i can test my projects on now. Slowly getting the freebsd setup for hamradio stuff, to test with it.. i've missed freebsd since going to dark side many years ago (linux) but things are making me want to go back 03:07:55 Hmm, it's available for me, says "pkg search cola". What makes you think it's not? 03:08:47 https://bsd.to/AiGs 03:08:48 Title: dpaste/AiGs (Plain Text) 03:08:52 Not in my package list 03:10:26 I tried using unionfs, and it seems like it doesn't work? 03:10:31 is it root only or zfs only? 03:10:36 the bug section is also scary 03:11:07 RoyalYork, which packages branch are you using, latest or quarterly? 03:11:18 quarterly 03:12:26 Ah, that's probably it. 03:12:40 Thanks for troubleshooting V_PauAmma_V 03:26:58 And my "should be OK" answer earlier assumed you have the same branch for ports and packages. Otherwise, you may get conflicts between different versions of the same port. 07:20:26 About to upgrade to 13.2. Anyone encountered any issues? 07:54:29 mexen: only the people who have third party kernel modules, are once again finding out that for three months until 13.1 is out of support, ports are still built with it, so they have to compile those ports themselves 07:55:40 meena: I see, thanks. Very helpful. I am reviewing the release notes. 07:59:13 mexen: there's lots of good stuff in there, but also, there's one line of code by me, so think about it https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/664 07:59:15 Title: apic: prevent divide by zero in CPU frequency init by igalic · Pull Request #664 · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub 07:59:49 Great! 08:00:30 https://cathode.church/@meena/110208829679511571 08:00:31 Title: Mina: "good grief, i wrote this patch while driving in t…" - Cathode Church 08:10:04 can somebody running a post-openzfs import current run `zpool get all zroot` and tell me if you get a result at all? 08:28:53 dch: yes 08:29:09 (not zroot though, i have other name for root pool :) 08:29:13 zool, its just My Bad. thanks yuripv ! 08:29:33 yeah I have envy here (NVMe) and embiggen (the mirrored pool that just keeps growing) 10:00:27 good morning my fellow freebsd hackers 10:00:28 :) 10:00:43 * dch waves lazily in bsdbandit's direction 10:02:41 Hi. 10:02:45 hi! 10:45:49 mexen: My upgrade went fine. I run the RELEASE with quarterly updates (binary). 11:01:06 thorre: great! I’ve initiated mine. 11:22:25 https://github.com/iocage/iocage/issues/1251#issuecomment-1512856790 haha 11:22:27 Title: Any ETA on a new release? · Issue #1251 · iocage/iocage · GitHub 11:22:27 1251 – aha0 and bt0(eisa) conflicts again. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1251 11:41:33 i just love how /etc/fstab, /etc/mtab, mount(8) and /proc/self/mountinfo all have different outputs 11:41:38 I love writing regex 11:58:35 i wonder how many augeas lenses i have reimplemented over the decades in shitty regex 12:10:27 meena: augeas is so poorly documented :P 12:16:51 Demosthenex: my ad-hoc regex, otoh… 12:29:35 meena: i swim in regexp, they are worse documented ;] 12:29:48 particularly multiline multidatapoint matcehrs 12:29:57 s/matcehrs/matchers/ 13:19:43 meena: if somebody ucl & libxo-ified these everybody would rejoice 13:20:00 from fstab, mtab, cron, mountd, the whole bally lot of them 14:29:47 i just want more tools like sysrc 14:59:07 Demosthenex: a pile of shell 15:03:31 (i want a sysrc for loader.conf) 15:05:56 yep 15:06:21 i'm spoiled... i think that there should be a supported command to update all the common things ;] 15:07:19 text files are nice, until they are formatted wrong or have typos 15:07:33 regexp is only half that 15:09:10 in the past 24h I received 5 spam e-mails regarding various valve products 15:09:30 ball valves, electrical valves, etc 15:09:38 is there a global spam campaign for selling valves going on ? 15:11:25 last1: maybe valve (the games company) is planning to do something nefarious to your account and bought spam to down that out 15:12:33 never used sysrc :-D 15:13:22 my *_enable="YES" are in correct manual order in rc.conf 15:13:56 meena: that possibility is quite troubling 15:14:51 VVD: you can also use service foo enable for same purpose 15:15:06 last1: you're welcome 15:15:54 meena, only vi /etc/rc.conf!!! :-D 15:17:54 meena, wouldn't the same extension (dots in names) work for loader.conf and sysctl.conf? 15:51:42 I think there is a small typo when I run `shutdown -r now` 15:51:42 "System shutdown time has arrivede from [user@host] ***" 15:55:53 mexen: its apparently not in 13.2 nor 14.0-CURRENT here? what FreeBSD version are you running? 15:56:42 sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c hasn't changed greatly in years 15:56:47 13.1 but I am about to finalize my upgrade to 13.2. 15:57:24 that line last changed since 1994 15:58:19 ...System shutdown time has arrived\007\007\r\n") 16:02:17 Success, upgraded to 13.2 16:07:54 mexen: it likely overwrites some other message that had "from ..."? i think i saw something similar 16:08:37 yuripv: ah, I see. 16:09:05 yeah, "*** FINAL System shutdown message from ... **" 16:29:28 meena: sysrc -f /boot/loader.conf zfs_load="YES" works, just put an alias in for it 17:02:49 meena, What is this /etc/mtab and /proc/sef/mountinfo of which you speak? Are they not unknown in this realm? :-) 17:12:10 rwp: I had to patch up cloud-init to better support mount(8) and could not help notice the myriad of formats to retrieve the same information 17:12:49 Ah... cloud-init trying to be generic across different systems. Gotcha. 17:16:11 rwp: well, I'm trying to make it work on more than just Linux ;) 17:16:51 I am a huge proponent for portable code. For sysadmin mostly portable shell. Let me cheer you on in your endeavors! 17:17:03 I have so far not had a need to enable /proc on FreeBSD and since it is recommended against doing so I haven't done it. 17:18:02 year, proc is pretty groß 17:18:29 gross, despite ours being fairly limited, due to security concerns 17:19:27 On Linux systems I operate more than a few chroot-containers for sandboxing versions for $reasons and I try to avoid needing to mount /proc /sys /dev or others there unless required too. But other people often disagree claiming that simple things must require a full system. I disagree. 17:49:24 rwp: there's people who make their stuff run on unikernels, so i think requiring a full OS for each container is a bit ridiculous 18:38:03 rtprio, does that work for names containing dots, eg kern.geom.label.disk_ident.enable? 19:10:55 sysrc should work fine for names with . in 22:11:05 oh, pkg virtualbox broken again for 13.2 ? must be built manually i guess 22:13:31 hernan: yes. until 13.1 is EOL 22:13:38 hernan, Isn't bhyve the standard framework? What's the advantage of virtualbox over bhyve? Every time anyone mentions virtualbox on any list or channel it is always about the problems of it. 22:14:30 rwp: can stuff like vagrant use bhyve? 22:14:30 Glad to hear bhyve has no problems :) 22:15:05 I don't know. I don't use vagrant myself. 22:15:55 On the Linux side of things I am a heavy user of KVM via libvirt. I admit I am a novice at bhyve on FreeBSD. 22:16:00 rwp: i have bhyve on another machine, it works most of the time. however sometimes it freezes the ubuntu running on it. and i have no idea why 22:16:16 sometiimes it unfreezes after a couple seconds 22:16:37 Something freezing and unfreezing like that would be pretty annoying. 22:16:56 and i always also need to press ctrl, shift and alt to be able to click on stuff, otherwise the alt seems to be stuck 22:17:40 I have only experienced pause problems on overbooked systems without enough RAM and therefore the system must swap. It pauses while swapping. 22:17:56 hernan: i have that with libvirt as well on my linux box. They just have a different base assumption, whereas virtualbox was made to be integrated into a desktop experience. 22:18:05 But that's a self-inflicted problem due to resource constraints and not something that can be blamed on the virtualization framework. 22:18:25 right.. this machine that freezes has 16gb and nothing runnig except the ubuntu bhyve which i think uses 4GB 22:19:12 My VM which is overbooked is limited to 1GB of ram for the VM and so it is forced to swap at times. 22:19:43 so you mean that maybe if i increase the vm memory it will not freeze ? 22:19:45 i will try that 22:19:52 The shift-control-alt focus lock I am forgetting now which graphical viewer interfaces lock focus with that and which do not. They all blur together after a while. 22:20:26 hernan, If that is not enough ram for the tasks at hand then yes increasing the ram will help with that problem. 22:20:56 In my case I am positive that I am overtaxing it twice a day with the tasks it is doing. But the rest of the time it doesn't need the memory. 22:21:26 i will try to increase the ram.. that could be the cuprit =) 22:22:04 The confusing things about almost all VMs is that the VM itself doesn't know it is a virtualized system. So tools like top in the VM will report that all is happy. Must look at the host not the guest to get real actual information. 22:22:33 also another problem i have is, how to migrate vbox vms to bhyve.. 22:23:00 i think i attempted to migrate in the past, but gave up before finishing the job 22:23:46 "qemu-img convert -f vmdk -O raw virtual_box_image.vmdk bhyve_raw_image.img" according to https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve#Q:_Can_I_use_disk_images_from_VirtualBox_or_other_virtualization_platforms_on_bhyve.3F 22:23:48 Title: bhyve - FreeBSD Wiki 22:24:16 sweet. i remember i used a similar qemu command when i attempted 22:24:23 i will try again soon, probably this weekend 22:25:05 I haven't converted between them myself yet. Hopefully the documentation on that is correct! 22:25:11 damn, im doing a make fetch-recursive for virtualbox and one package says: 22:25:12 ===> py39-pytest-freezegun-0.4.2 is marked as broken: causes INTERNALERROR 22:25:12 failures in PyTest in many python-based ports, based on the assessment in 22:25:12 this comment: https://github.com/pytest-dev/pytest/issues/10846. 22:25:13 Title: Issues · pytest-dev/pytest · GitHub 22:25:30 is it possible to force the download ? 22:26:54 aw that sucks =p... maybe i will be forced to install bhuve now 22:26:54 Since I am interacting I will simply say that I have no idea. Remember I have been avoiding virtualbox. 22:27:29 yes,... last time virtualbox had problems installing was when i attempted bhyve... but then virtualbox built and life followed 22:27:35 but now its not building 22:27:39 :P 22:27:43 and life must continue 22:28:01 I have been using libvirt for quite a while to run kvm guests on Linux systems. I am gearing myself up on bhyve now. At a glacial pace. 22:33:16 hmmmm 22:33:22 will check that 22:41:42 but that wasnt on my plans for this friday night =p 22:44:52 i guess i should have created a snapshot before upgrading 22:45:08 and then if something broke, i could go back to snapshot, right ? 22:45:20 I sympathize. It's Friday night soon and I now am debugging a VM in a remote datacenter that has systemd locked up on it. 22:45:25 zfs snapshot i mean 22:45:57 I would definitely take a zfs snapshot in order to make it possible to return to that state! 22:46:03 :D 22:46:10 i need to do this more frequently 22:46:19 i think i only used snapshot once in the past :( 22:46:39 I really miss zfs on the systems that don't have it. It has become my gold standard. 23:35:37 * RhodiumToad finds bug in qemu-user-static