Howdy all!

Are you actually a 486? Impressive in this world of 3MB ls(1)

Right now, no. I'm on my FreeBSD machine. I use ircjr on FreeDOS from time to time to log into irc though.

Ah

meena: do you happen to know what the import format is for gts

Yeah, that PC has a 486DX 66MHz, 16MB RAM, ~500MB SSD (CF card). It's a great Doom machine haha.

I was trying to get mere NetBSD MINIMAL booting on a 12MB DECpc 486. No dice. Just needed to image some SCSI disks.

But also have networking

(in service of restoration of a NeXT '030 cube)

Yeah, I looked into doing something similar but even NetBSD is just too resource hungry :/ Plus any modern version of X doesn't support video adaptors over the ISA bus :/

Oh, X was 100% out of the question lolol

I wanted to ssh blah dd of=/dev/sd1

I wonder how Xenix would run on the thing lol

Probably fine, but idk if xenix has NE2000 drivers

And definitely no ssh

Yeah, I need NE2000 drivers for my Realtek NIC.

Didn't know realtek had an ne2k nic, interesting

I couldn't get the Realtek drivers to work but luckly it's NE2000 compatable so I use that instead.

Actually nvm this wasn't ne2k, it was an actual DEC tulip

Like, from digital

hah, i bought three ne2000 cards for $.01 and 2 of them worked

I have one that I keep on the shelf just in case

what a day that was, built possibly the slowest router i could at the time

Hahaha

That sounds like torture.

I used it as a router back in the day when cable modems only ever had a 10Mb PHY

How far we've come

...I still can use a dialup modem if I need to (which I've used a few weeks ago for fun). I'm one of the last few lucky people to have a real POTS line to my house.

I like to dial into BBSes on my 486 from time to time too.

Lucky. I just have a grandstream ATA and a bunch of western electric phones behind a ring regenerator. I've been working with GS support to get fixes in for supervision behind the booster. My IAXy never had a problem.

Their debounce time on the codec is too long, we've found

I'm about 700 or so feet from the distribution building so I get like the fastest VDSL (bonded) connection you can get. No fiber here yet.

Maybe I'm the lucky one, lol. We were one of the first fios markets and after having it for 17 years I have to say it's a good service, even if by a truly evil company

Who is pulling out all the copper because copper is still a regulated service around here

lol well I'm with Windstream but yeah, I think Verizon is worse (as a company).

Without question. But their product isn't oversubscribed garbage like their HFC competitors here

I mean I get about 150 (up to 200) MBs down and around 50MB up. Not great but can't complain for living in a town of 230 some people.

400/10 service. You can just about send the ACKs out fast enough to get 400

I do miss my 100/100 fiber from the other place I used to live at but I like telephony so it's a trade off.

That is fair. I'd trade my connection for 200/50 copper if it were offered

I restore old phones, lol

Part of the phreaknet?

I am not, have thought about it on and off for years. I probably should considering I listen to Evan Doorbell tapes when I walk

I'm not familar with that.

Hey, I've got to get going. I may rejoin later though.

You're in for a treat evan-doorbell.com/production/group1.htm

Title: Evan Doorbell's Telephone Tapes - Group 1 Playlist

Take care!

hi, noob here. i'm on 14-current and just ran pkg-upgrade, now i can't use git anymore. the error i get is from ld-elf.so.1 about an undefined symbol. i've been searching around but mostly found issues that had nothing to do with my particular one (stuff about jails and such). Any pointers?

did you run this in a jail or your base system?

base system

i wish i had something more constructive to say than a noob probably shouldn't be running on 14-current. but i'm thinking

well i did try, but 13 stable left me without a bootloader after 6 different installations

i want to say that this can happen if you wait to long to update the base system and then you try to get an updated pkg repo and use newer binaries than were intended

you probably want release

13-release

will the system respond to freebsd-update fetch and then freebsd-update install?

fetch tells me that it can't upgrade from something that isn't a release and that i can either upgrade from source or upgrade to a release version prior to running freebsd-update

haven't tried install

yeah, i don't know the proper way to update a current system. lemme try to look real quick

i can't figure out what you should do. seems like git is essential to working with the development branches (stable and current), so if you can't revert what you've done, then you'll have to see if someone will walk you through it, or you should just start with 13.1-release

Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

wish i could help more. i've encountered that error before, but never with the base system

thank you, this is still helpful to me

and i usually ended up creating a new jail and migrating the data over. wish i knew how to fix it, so i'd be curious if you figure it out or learn how

deadguy: is it __fbsd__something

if it is, you need to buildworld first

rtprio: yeah, that's the one

i closed the wrong pane... i'll look into buildworld

deadguy: OR you can rebuild them from ports instead

is there a way to run "make install" as an ordinary user and have the owner and permission or maybe just own information added to an mtree file?

i don't really have any ports installed. i've been getting everything through pkg. i was maybe looking into downgrading this particular package (git) but figured that's probably not the best idea

ports are packages

rebuild it from source, or rebuild the world/kernel

or rather, ports also install packages

is zfs faster than ufs?

given a i7 8g ram

desktop

8200 rating on cpu bechmark

right now keeping simple on these usb3 drive

ufs

nothing raidded

concrete_houses: too many variables to give you an answer

crb: i don't think so; what are you trying to do

rtprio, I am building images for an embedded board. There are tools like makefs and mkimg that allow you to build disks images based on a filesystem, but it seems your source filesystem has to already have the files with the right owner and permission

rtprio: if you could do a make install where the owner was encoded in an mtree then it would seem you wouldn't have to be root to do an install as I think you could pass that to makers

perhaps a small enhancement to install so that you pass an mtree file and it install the file with your ownership but appends the true final owner to the mtree file later?

so is the problem putting it into the right place /tmp/myroot or knowing the uid/gid/usernames you need when you're done

if you're doing this in a jail and then making an image you could `make DESTDIR=/myroot install` but that only partially solves your problem

rtprio: when doing make install the installed files need to be owned by a particular user, often root. I think the pretty much forces you to run make install as root even if you are installing to a private directory that you own. I think you'd have the same issue if you ran in a jail. The install would need to run as root in the jail. That's al little safer but you still need root to setup the jail right? If there were a way

to write all the install files as my user ID and encode the true owner in an mtree file I could perhaps do the install myself and then give the more to makefs for when it build the filesystem

i see

with using ports i dont see a way

short of making a jail and using that to build a mtree

but you still need several root commands

rtprio: yes but it seems a small enhancement to install where install writes the file with the users ID but writes an mtree entry with the correct final owner and permission might work

i think youll find thats a signficant modification to the ports system

i dont get why you cant do it as root

When I do `pkg search/install Xvfb` it shows nothing but the package is there man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=X…ion=1&manpath=freebsd-release-ports

Title: Xvfb(1)

The same is true of 'pokerth' and I don't know why:

Title: FreeBSD Ports Search

rtprio: sorry not the ports system, I mean building a kernel and world, I should have been using make installkernel and make buildkernel

actually what I think I'm looking for is at the bottom of this page: bsdimp.blogspot.com/2020/06

Title: Warner's Random Hacking Blog: 202006

-DNO_ROOT seems to enable it

New to freebsd, my laptop heats up as soon as the boot process starts and waits for my passpharse to decrypt. what could be the reason? This never happend with my linux installs (not complaining, just providing context).any ideas?

guess the problem should be caused by the bootloader, boot0/boot-easy. I need to figure out if using grub solves that problem

for i in {9001..9099}; do echo $i ; done ;  -> for: Command not found.. i: Undefined variable.

Letiute: man $SHELL and search for for loops

sounds more like a job for 'until' loops

maybe a pkg install bash  problem

bash solved it

anybody else using unifi7 ?

how long is a piece of string ?

at least one char if it's a valid C string

sozuba: I'd guess the initial powersaving level of the cpu hasn't been set that early in boot. worth filing a bug at bugs.freebsd.org

Title: FreeBSD Bugzilla Main Page

Letiute: xvfb is not a port of and in itself, it is part of xorg-server

xtile: pokerth is its own port, but is BROKEN `error: use of undeclared identifier '_1' and doesn't build

both these bits of info are in their respective Makefiles and dirs

aha

thank you

Title: Makefile « pokerth « games - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

many ports secrets are listed docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/book/#dads-noinstall

Title: FreeBSD Porter's Handbook | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

explaining broken

thanks :D

yw

dch so how do I install it? I can install it in linux though

rtprio magic of googling, irc is that you do NOT have to read and search ALL the man pages. Me simply switching to 'bash' solved my problem. I do understand

Letiute: its part of x11/xorg-minimal I believe

dch so its installed already?

honestly I don't know, you can ask in #freebsd-xorg for a qualified answer

i have xorg (full install) installed and don't have xvfb

xtile: what do you mean, "don't have"

i.e. what are you expecting to find but don't

Letiute: i'm not sure you do

dch: don't have the xvfb.1 man page Letiute referenced. (i have no idea what xvfb is or does)

virtual frame buffer, iirc

you run it, set DISPLAY to it, run shit, capture the screen. that sort of thing

Title: Xvfb(1)

aah so you are looking for the Xvfb binary?

dch trying to find a way to install it

yeah, all i meant was that it's not in xorg or xorg-minimal ;3

pkg dont have it

sudo pkg install -r FreeBSD xorg-vfbserver

its not entirely obvious how to figure this out

Title: FreshPorts -- ports-mgmt/pkg-provides: Pkg plugin for querying which package provides a particular file

dch I heard that pkg is known to break xorg

I grepped /usr/ports for -i Xvfb

not sure if its true

have heard no such thing

rtprio I am sure you have not.

Letiute: possible. but given the enormous number of people using xorg on FreeBSD daily it is probably going to be a very visible bug

I would notice

anyway I found x11-servers/xorg-server/pkg-descr-xvfb

and x11/xorg/Makefile

which has Xvfb:x11-servers/xorg-server@xvfb

the @ tells me its a flavour

so install x11-servers/xorg-server@xvfb

and now I have Xvfb

binary

I use FreeBSD as my desktop and pkg installs xorg fine.

where is my oss audio gone

dch ok

so I want " xorg-vfbserver-21.1.4_1,1  " ?

Letiute: dont't complicate it

sudo pkg install -r FreeBSD xorg-vfbserver

^ thats whats you want

pkg(8) will do the right thing

otis: that last unifi upgrade was a pain. lucky I read UPDATING

I couldn't get it to load the monthly auto-backups so it was a zfs rollback to december and make a manual one then

not like I make frequent changes

dch whats the difference between pkg install -r FreeBSD xorg-vfbserver  and pkg install xorg-vfbbserver ?

dch: what was the problem? should the UPDATING entry be more verbose?

otis: no I just wanted to say thanks for the entry!

I have no idea why unifi rejected the autobackups

Letiute: you can man pkg(8) for details, but `-r <repo` selects a specific repository. I have several here, so it matters which one I pick.

dch: it worked flawlessly for me, i did it on more than one installations.

anyway I still have one left.

dch isnt the default repo "FreeBSD' already?

you won't believe this

and we won't not believe it either if we don't know what it is

it's about that stupid power virus again. It was, of all things, PCIe. By running devctl disable on some PCIe devices I'm sure I won't be using any time soon (thunderbolt), I was able to bring idle power consumption right down to within a margin of error from the competition.

To be clear, I'm not recommending anyone do this, just reporting my observations. (I guess I should do a writeup on my blog)

AmyMalik: also a bug report

that makes me wonder if bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269823 goes deeper than virtio

Title: 269823 – rand_harvest produces 100%CPU on 1 CPU with virtio_random.ko loaded

how do I properly set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR “

for sway?

joes: depends on how you start sway

Is there a way to get package to install/upgrade to simply ignore the dependencies on postgresql? I want a specific version (15.2) but theres also like 4 packages that want to install different versions (some 14, some 13) and overwrite my choice. How do I resolve this?

it has cometo my attention that my use of the term "power virus" is misleading.

pkg*

meena, that one is definitely unrelated

Would be great if pkg supported some paramater that specified "allowed alternative dependencies" where for a specific dependency being requested for a pkg other alternatives in list (if installed) will suffice

AmyMalik: well it's PCIe

mh

adonis: yeah, I don't think we support that (yet).

I'll do the blog writeup and then if it turns out to be PR worthy i'll do a PR

I err on the side of creating bug reports: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269906

Title: 269906 – dtrace requires empty expression to print anything from matching search

meena: something like I am mentioning above is in the works?

adonis: somebody in #bsdports on EFnet should know. maybe there's a wiki page or a review

i dunno. my interests in ports are limited, so i don't keep up with all developments

meena: from a virtual console, not from a manager

joes: so it should be enough to export it in your shell

joes: i have this in my .bashrc bpa.st/N725A

Title: View paste N725A

angry_vincent: thanks. Sucks to do manually

doing the writeup is a way to organize my thoughts and findings into something good quality enough for the bug reports I often see

joes: since you starting sway manually anyway, i find no issues with that. it is set automatically once you have your shell up.

Is it possible to have a binary update mechanism for -CURRENT?

joes: another way is to set it up from within .login_conf

Whats the best way to formate a new disk? gpart?

angry_vincent: I might have overwritten $HOME for dual-booting. Is there no /etc/skel?

joes: this is something that exist on linux distributions, i think

yes. Is a new ~ not populated?

no idea what you mean

does a new user get an empty homedir?

adonis: best is to setup your own poudriere repo

joes, normally not. A new user's home is populated with a copy of /usr/share/skel/ (with all filenames changed, s/^dot//)

V_PauAmma_V: ah, that’s where it comes from

antranigv: Im testing jailer out... Not sure if Im doing it wrong, jailer create -b bridge0 -a 10.0.0.2 efs_dev_db <- should attach to bridge interface and set ip to 10.0.0.2? right

what is the equivalent of linux-kvm on freebsd

gzar: bhyve?

so i cant really use qemu with kvm

or other kernel-level virtualization

gzar: What's your specific goal?

antranigv: aah. found my mistake

running a linux virtual machine for some software. i'd like to have some form of acceleration

gzar: wiki.freebsd.org/qemu

Title: qemu - FreeBSD Wiki

I wonder if qemu is the right answer there. "I want a VM" seems reasonably well-solved by Bhyve or VirtualBox.

I dunno.. he specificly asked for qemu :-P

Title: XY problem - Wikipedia

qemu is a front-end for a lot of virtualization, similar to how libvirt is - and libvirt includes support for bhyve

Ah, and that reminds me that I didn't mention Xen. It's a sad day.

qemu as a front-end for bhyve requires that someone interested in doing the work does it.

i was asking about qemu cause linux has a module for it called kvm and netbsd has a module for it called nvmm, i assumed freebsd had something too but any other virtualization software with hardware acceleration will do

many of us here aren't fluent in Linux (any more)

last time I worked with Linux is probably pre-pandemic

Hi. Does anyone use wayland+sway out here who knows how to get GUI applications under Jails working with Wayland? Most documentation and support online only Focuses on X11 + "xauth +" .. I want to get things like chromium / firefox work under a jail with wayland

forums.freebsd.org/threads/running-…ome-in-a-dedicated-linux-jail.85491 ... Like this guide is working for a lot of people but focuses on X11. But I use wayland

Title: Running Google Chrome in a dedicated Linux-Jail | The FreeBSD Forums

I always get the "Cannot open display" error with wayland

its fine, i just have to get this linux thing running and i'd prefer some accel. i'll try bhyve

antranigv: nice work with jailer... =) trying out some use cases i have. havent checked out all the features yet - is there a way of pass along some custom config lines when using snapshots?

drobban thanks! I will be "freezing" the code and doing only bug fixes. Jailer 2 will be rewritten from scratch with better features.

gpart was showing my hdd yesterday. But I wonder why `gpart show` is not showing my hdds. Other ssd,nvme are shown.. One of the hdd is even in a pool and working fine. also shown in /dev

gpart does not show "hdds", it shows partitions

if you didn't create any, it won't be there in gpart output

yuripv I see. How can I see disks then?

yuripv by the way I do have /dev/da0 and /dev/da0.eli

maybe .eli is not a partition?

diconnected

yuripv by the way I do have /dev/da0 and /dev/da0.eli

Letiute, Try: camcontrol devlist

maybe .eli is not a partition?

rwp ok

"camcontrol devlist" will show the devices that are attached at the device level.

Also try: sysctl -n kern.disks

That will show the device names the kernel has associated.

Letiute: ok, gpart shows "geoms" with a partitioning scheme created on them, and partitions if those exist

rwp both do.. thanks. How to see sizes?

yuripv ok

Try: diskinfo -v /dev/ada0

if you didn't create partitioning scheme on a disk (or a geli device), it won't show in the output

ook

Or with your scsi disks: diskinfo -v /dev/da0

wonderful

Since the SATA adaptor driver creates adaX devices and the SCSI adaptor driver creates daX devices.

k

Also: geom disk list

BTW when I said "with your scsi disks" that was only because of the controller used. The same disks moved to the opposite controller would get the other naming.

oh

So a daX might be either SATA or SAS but pretty sure adaX can only be SATA. (All administrivial points.)

ok

Is mirroring (raid1) better or rsync better for least interval/near to realtime sync? latter scans the full dir tree (less efficient)? can I mirror drives to directories in a single drive (stupid but canI) ?  send/rec is best. I am just asking for understandin

BTW... A simple disk performance benchmark can be had with: diskinfo -cit /dev/da0

ok...

but make sure to read the BUGS section in diskinfo(8) man page :)

hm..

Also if the smartmontools port is installed then smartctl -i is very useful as well. And the utility of smartctl.

not -x ?

Letiute, I did not quite understand your question about rsync versus raid versus other. Though without knowing the question I would advocate ZFS due to all of the advantages there.

rwp I have a serious problem not going away... Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB   percentage used : 9% in a week...

Firmware Version: 1B2QJXD7

So... Nine more weeks and then you are done!

"The steady state of disks is full." --Ken Thompson

rwp why is it happening like this?

Letiute, It's your system. I would ask you that question. What is consuming the space every week?

1000 browsers at a time working in /tmp maybe. That is the only reason. Could it be?

that I can think of

and a database (postgres)

but... nvmes.. /ssds don't wearup like that

Try: zfs list -o compression,compressratio,refquota,quota,used,usedds,usedsnap,refer,creation,name

And then look over the data. Should be able to tell which datasets/snapshots/clones are referencing data.

On a more local file system hierarchy level, "ncdu" is a favorite tool, use it to explore directory trees for disk usage.

rwp termbin.com/4cnc

Letiute, What did you want me to say about your dataset property list? I need a hint.

you asked for zfs list

I asked you to run "zfs list -o compression,compressratio,refquota,quota,used,usedds,usedsnap,refer,creation,name" and then for you to look at it.

That output you shared was not the above command.

Letiute: tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-p…firmware-update-released-ssd-health

Title: Samsung 990 Pro Firmware Update Addresses Failing SSD Health | Tom's Hardware

your firmware looks to be outdated

hm, no, looks up to date, was looking at 980 one (have that one) :D

yuripv, Good catch!

not so good, they seem to have the latest

thanks but the firmware update aint helping

"it seems as though 990 Pro owners who have already experienced significant health declines will need to RMA the SSDs to replace them"

what ist he best way to  put tmps insetad of /tmp on disk?

yuripv, btw... The reason I like to do a quick benchmark is that by doing that I realized I had some disks on slow SATA ports on a particular motherboard. Only two of hte ports were 6Gbps and the other ports were 3Gbps and by realizing that I was able to address the inequality.

Letiute, I'm sorry but I do not understand your question. Please say more?

rwp I meant the disk is dying termbin.com/pd3g0

In only 241 hours of running? It should be under warranty then. What are the symptoms of it dying? Also run "smartctl -l error /dev/daX" on it.

In 10 days it has had 70TB of data written to it? That's quite a busy amount of data.

rwp Percentage Used: 9% in 2 weeks

I don't know your application but perhaps setting up and using a ram based file system would be useful? It all depends upon the details though.

I might also investigate extending the dirty cache sync time. Allow more time for cached data to remain unwritten. Maybe. I don't know.

if I run 1000 concurrent browsers (headless), the write in /tmp dir which is on drive. maybe thats how 70TB was written in 10 days? + a postgresql server with 2 queries concurrent.

For memory disks see section 19.10 of docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/disks

Title: Chapter 19. Storage | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Re: "1000 concurrent browsers" rather makes my head spin with the task of it. What is the need for such a monstrous farm of browser?

rwp ok but that does not tells how to use it as /tmp

I am sure if you search around you will find various helpful articles about it. I searched and quickly found some. Here is one. I haven't read it. tech.poojanblog.com/blog/unix-linux…bsd-tmp-and-var-on-a-memory-disk-md

Title: Poojan's Tech Blog / Putting freebsd /tmp and /var on a memory disk (md)

is there a service to activate tmpfs that would be used insetad of /tmp dir?

If it were me I would put those into a jail container and then use the memory disk /tmp in the jail. So as to keep those contained.

rwp can this commadn simply will turn /tmp from disk to ram? `tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=777 0 `  ref:  wiki.freebsd.org/TMPFS

Title: TMPFS - FreeBSD Wiki

`mount` says `zroot/tmp on /tmp (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls)` and `tmpfs on /tmp (tmpfs, local)`. Is that the verification that all the files in /tmp drive based are not in /tmp ram based?

what other places should be in tmpfs? /tmp /var ? any other?

use tmpfs for /var?

Is there any any difficulties / maintenance on mirrors ? I have a really hard time installing packages (download is very slow, all other network activity is as usual)

which mirror are you hitting?

I'm pretty new on freebsd so I can't tell but I guess 'the default mirror'

ServerName update.FreeBSD.org

is it about packages or freebsd-update?

right.. then it should say which

right

pkg.FreeBSD.org in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf

do a `host pkg.freebsd.org` (or open in a browser), it should show the mirror name

about package, sorry for the confusion

pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org

and what's the IP?

or ptr?

ah, found it: pkg0.syd.FreeBSD.org

(australia)

hmmm... It may be my ISP....

my 25 hop traceroute to their seems okay..

er, zayo.com

there is a maintenance window today (in fact I work for my ISP and there is a maintenance today at our collect provider... should be it)

thanks

:)

cool

gman999 why use tmpfs in /var?  is it like /tmp?

no.. you shouldnt

i was asking, not saying you should

i see

using tmpfs depends on context

what other directories to put in tmpfs?  is the /tmp dir the only temporary/most written files dir?

why are you using tmpfs to begin with?

heavy read/writes.

so not an ssd?

i mean, wtih cf cards, etc i used a lot of tmpfs

in the past

/var/log can make sense

but i say "can"... not that you necesarily should

yes, /var/log

anyother?

that's prob more than enough

but it will impact write speed and again, anything in those mounts will disappear with reboots

and you have to make sure you mount then correctly

gman999 ok

how to see which files are taking most disk i/o?

iostat

ok

iostat(8) to be specific

have fun.

cannot trace exact files and data written by them

I would definitely *not* want /var/log to vanish on reboot.

ya.

but have to handle the huge io

I'd start by figuring out which files get a lot of IO, and what they're used for. The latter requires application-specific knowledge.

the answer is top -m io and fstat/lsof

ya but can't find a tool that tells me file paths

i just mentioned it to you less than ten minutes ago

`top -m io` is cool ;)

yes but didn't gave "file paths".  I think fstat does

`truss /program` too

sysutils/dtrace-toolkit and truss from there is said to be better than truss

called `ptruss /myprogramm`

dtruss

Kalten: i wie just straight up recommend dtruss instead of truss

same

it does the same thing but in dtrace, which means you're observing from the kernel, instead of from userspace

sorry, yes, `dtruss` not “p”.

it's like looking at something as god vs Heisenberg ;)

i mean, truss uses ptrace..

lsof too debdrup thanks

the main advantage of dtrace is that it takes almost no system resources even on heavily loaded production systems, which ptrace can on busy production systems

wondering how to arrange these things to see most frequent / heaviest io thing

that'll have to be an excercise for the reader

right, not quite the same as strace

truss and dtruss produce strace-compatible output

the BSD-native way of tracing is utrace and ktrace, respectively

truss is good if you're interacting with people who develop software on other unix-likes that're closer to SysV than the BSDs are

s/^/d/

I've known d/truss from Solaris. don't remember what we had on AIX, because i only had the joy of working in an AIX shop for two weeks before i decided to quit for my own sanity

(this has nothing to do with AIX and everything to do with the company)

Wait, Solaris/Illumos doesn't use strace?

you can probably install it?

strace is the thing from SysV that that all its descendents have

illumos.org/man/1/truss no mention of strace in see also

Title: illumos: manual page: truss.1

Title: illumos: manual page: strace.8

no HISTORY subheader though

that doesn't look like it does what truss does

huh, you're right

well i don't know anything anymore, apparently

I have worked for four years on Solaris, and I did a performers tuning course with a supposed kernel hacker. so i have retained some… things

the tuhs utree doesn't haev the source to check sysv :/

but overall i was just mostly in awe with how solid the kernel felt compared to Linux. oh, and the documentation

tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/man/man1 it wasn't in SysIII

dspinellis' repo might have it..

nope

tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/man/man1/bs.1 what is this

i guess SCO are still sitting on it

it's some bs is what it is :V

I'm trying to imagine what sick minds thought that's a good combination

Title: BS(1)

mandoc is nice :)

the first part of the paragraph in the description subheader is... quite cursed

yupp

I wonder how that mandoc project for man.freebsd.org is coming along