wheel group did not exist on HP-UX either.

I am primary a Linux user, I’ve been trying to setup a “service” using rc.d but I’m having issues.

I currently cannot figure out why my daemon won’t work, the issue is with `-u syncserver`

Command: `/usr/sbin/daemon -u syncserver -c -f /usr/local/bin/syncserver –config=/etc/syncserver.toml`

User created: `pw user add syncserver -d /usr/home/syncserver -s /bin/csh -m`

Is there a reason you're not using (name)_user as defined in rc.conf(5)?

Or are you using it? Because -u requires superuser privileges.

I'm mainly referenceing other rc.d scripts, and "Practical rc.d scripting in BSD"

didnt see (name)_user I'll need to look into that

mason, paul.webster@dev-11 ~ $ id root

uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),26(tape),27(video)

ah you are correct

I just assumed it was across the board

The article doesn't cover everything that's possible to do with rc.d scripting - that's laid out in rc.conf(5).

thanks debdrup I already had the user and group setup correctly, but didn't realise that was a setting rc.d would use itself

I finally got my service to start, but I have an issue that "needs" to be fixed. My service needs python with specific packages installed (via pip) how would I go about doing this?

For debugging (just to get the service running), I did a simple "pip install" as root I know this is "bad",

As a "user" I was using a `python3 -m venv venv` with a `export PATH="/usr/home/syncserver/venv/bin:$PATH"`, which worked great, but even though I exported the path it didn't work in rc.d

that prohibition will soon be enforced

(there is a PEP about it that we haven't implemented yet)

greetings

I have a question on FreeBSD kernel internals, more precisely signal subsystem

is someone here, please ? :-)

alexandru_goia: we are here; just ask

have a look on this

a Linux implementation

Title: Angel

my purpose is two-fold :

yes, angel() :-)

a) write a simple but non-trivial FreeBSD system call

b) re-implement on FreeBSD the Linux/Unix idea

i modified some code, in /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_sig.c , but it doesn't work

only if I send killsig(getpid(), SIGKILL); to my process - which calls first syscall(576); that is sys_angel()

it works

but if I send SIGKILL from external source, then it kills my process

do you have some expertise in FreeBSD sources ? more precisely signals ?

while i applaud your approach to stop using systemd, i'm not sure this is the solution i'd pick

rtprio: talking to me ?

yes.

curious about your changes to kern_sig.c but i don't know enough to tell you whats happening

int kern_sigaction()

int sigqueue_add()

i touched them briefly

basically removed extra checks for SIGKILL so thy're not uncatchable?

because there's a lot of them in that file

I want to find in the code where SIGKILL and SIGSTOP is taken into account (UNIX dogma says that they cannot be masked, caught, ignored, blocked)

as receiving signals

Title: freebsd-src/kern_sig.c at main · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub

I think kern_sigaction() is the function that *sends* the signals, including SIGKILL SIGSTOP

but i am not sure

maybe, working on kill(2) ?

and killpg(2) ?

or using curproc ?

with or without PROC_LOCK( )

in Linux we have for the current process, the pointer struct task_struct *current;

in FreeBSD we have both struct thread; struct proc; and curproc and curthread

I don't quite understand the threads system in FreeBSD...

i donno man, hang around; maybe someone will answer when they wake up

hmm, they left

kern_* is conventionally the implementation of a syscall by the same name (it's actually, e.g., sys_sigaction(), but we commonly then call into kern_*() for details shared between different ABIs)

wiki.freebsd.org/AddingSyscalls has some good information in the area

Title: AddingSyscalls - FreeBSD Wiki

including a link to a presentation by Brooks

Hi

I just discovered that my snapshots for a really important dataset seems empty

why can't I check zfs snapshot content with .zfs ?

eoli3n: the .zfs directory can be disabled by default

but I didn't

it seems that my data are not written on the dataset

eoli3n: paste that `zfs get all zroot/encrypted/sync | grep snap`

eoli3n: do you have the encryption key loaded for this dataset?

yes

i do

the problem is not here

eoli3n: I'm not very familiar with that but that would be a good reason for not showing the content of datasets I guess

even before the snapshot problem it seems that i'm not writting on the dataset

that dir is mounted in a bastille jails

eoli3n: so yes I concur there's no data in the snaps

embiggen/usr/home/dch usedbysnapshots 87.3G -

embiggen/usr/home/dch snapshots_changed Wed Feb 22 10:49:01 2023 local

these 2 properties should be filled

before snapshot problem, i need to solve "where are my datas" :)

eoli3n: what happens if you manually create a snapshot?

as said 3 times

^

not a snapshot problem

no data in the dataset

zroot/encrypted/sync 200K 23.8G 200K /data/zfs/sync

empty dataset

but it is mounted

so this is nothing to do with zfs and everything to do with syncthing

i guess that bastille does something wrong

is there any data there at all?

no problem with syncthing

there are datas

ls -> camera/docs/screenshots/seedvault/sigal/

missing spaces

camera/ docs/ screenshots/ seedvault/ sigal/

ok so

same problem with my backups

this is a design problem

what I setup is not working

from the root, what do you see from `df -h /usr/local/bastille/jails/syncthing/root/data/zfs/sync`

this is to try and see what the upper filesystem is in that jail

datas are in that dir yes

and what does it show?

I sould ask on #bastillebsd

dch same dataq

same datas

ah

/jails/g01/var/cache/pkg 707G 845M 706G 0% 40k 1.5G 0% /jails/g03/var/cache/pkg

you meant df -h lets try

thats from a nullfs here

what we want to see is what does freebsd see as the upper volume

I'm wondering if bastille has (e.g.) started later, and mounted something on top of the nullfs mount

so writes don't go where you think

dch that's it yes, it write under the dataset

"under"

i need to redesign what i do

eoli3n: can you do specifically `df -h /usr/local/bastille/jails/syncthing/root/data/zfs/sync` ? and `zfs get all /usr/local/bastille/jails/syncthing/root/data/zfs/sync`

not the df -h | grep

the first will show precisely what the top layer filesystem is

toor@vps /d/z/sync# df -h /usr/local/bastille/jails/syncthing/root/data/zfs/sync

Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on

toor@vps /d/z/sync# zfs get all /usr/local/bastille/jails/syncthing/root/data/zfs/sync

oups sorry

the latter will tell if (assuming its the overlaid zroot/bastille/jails/syncthing/root "hiding" the original nullfs mount

np

hmm

thats not what I expected to see

FSTAB /data/zfs/sync data/zfs/sync nullfs rw 0 0

in my bastille template

the df shows me that its not a nullfs mount there, its a zfs one

and the zfs get all says its not zfs

huh

eoli3n: I think you should check this with bastille

yep

thanks for helping dch

np

I still haven't figured out my rc.d service issue; link service file bsd.to/Jh47

Title: dpaste/Jh47 (Bash)

good morning everyone im running freebsd 13.1 RELEASE -p6 amd64 on my lenovo x1 extreme gen 3 im trying to get suspend and resume working i can suspend with no problem but when trying to resume when opening up my laptop im not getting any video

I have a service I want to run “syncserver”, a rust binary app I compiled.

syncserver requires a python enviroment with specific packages available (installed through pip).

If I install py39-pip and `pip install` the packages then the service will run without issues

Therefor I assume that I’m incorrectly passing the python virtual environment to the rc.d service

qtc`: I don't think PATH makes it through daemon(8)

bsdbandit: are you using latest FreeBSD packages (i.e. not quarterly) ?

bsdbandit: if not, switch to those and see if it helps

bsdbandit: and then next stage is to see if you have any extra devices that are not resuming correctly. This is best asked in #freebsd-xorg channel imo

thanks

dch:

qtc`: I don't see any other ports doing a venv in their rc.d script, so I suggest you make a small shell script that sets up the venv and calls your stuff

updated bsd.to/oQxO

Title: dpaste/oQxO (Bash)

dch: do you need to create the python virtual enviroment on each boot? I though you need to only create it once.

qtc`: on each invocation, from memory. it sets up paths and some vars.

is that something that I would stick into `syncserver_precmd` ?

qtc`: you could try moving the venv activate into precmd, and see how you go

dch this is not a jail problem, i have the same behaviour with my backup dataset

which is not mounted in any jail

i think this is a key problem

because of encryption

but then... where are my data, if the jails are encrypted ?

datasets*

without the key

Or use the path in "bin/" or wherever inside the "venv" created instead of relying on "$PATH"

Latest failed attempt bsd.to/51Pc

Title: dpaste/51Pc (Bash)

how does a dataset handles writes when the encryption key is unavailable

parv: not sure what you mean

/path/to/venv/bin/kdlkldkfld

No need to create the "venv" again; use the path as "/tmp/venv/bin/python"

The failed attempt does list any error|warning messages or other issues

s/does list/does not list/

Run that with "sh -xv ... >| log 2>&1"

adding /tmp/venv/bin/python still panics

What is "panic"?

eoli3n: no key loaded, the dataset shouldn't even be mounted IIRC. But ti definitely won't have data written to it (how would that be even possible)

I've only tried this casually, cribbed off klarasystems.com/articles/openzfs-native-encryption and it just worked (tm)

Title: OpenZFS Native Encryption | Klara Inc

dch but i does write

talking on #zfs if you want

I might follow along there, I'm not really clear what the issue is anymore. nullfs is irrelevant, question is "my dataset is mounted, there is data in it, but snapshots are empty"?"

anyway I have an errand,

sh -xv /usr/local/etc/rc.d/syncserver || 3623 Lines of output

That encrypted dataset may not be mounted but if something else would mount along that same mount point, the data would go in a plain directory somewhere up the hierarchy of the dataset

parv: syncserver is a rust binary file, it panics if it doesnt have its python

qtc`, Do you mean "syncserver" is looking for a Python interpreter accessible via literal "python" without an absolute path?

probably, I don't know for sure but thats my impression

if I `pip install <package>` via py39-pip, then everything works as expected, but I know thats bad so i'm looking to doing it correctly

qtc`, Could you post (the output from "sh -xv") some 10 lines before & after when "activate" is sourced & when "/usr/local/bin/syncserver" is actually run?

i'm a python newbie but shouldn't you use pip --user of a venv?

or a venv

qtc`: doesn't syncthing already have an rc script?

qtc`, I take it the modules needed for "syncserver" are not available as FreeBSD packages|ports?

rtprio, Looks like qtc` is working with github.com/mozilla-services/syncstorage-rs

Title: GitHub - mozilla-services/syncstorage-rs: Sync Storage server in Rust

parv: no they are not

qtc`, Aye. Thank

s

`sh -xv` output bsd.to/QRuJ

Title: dpaste/QRuJ (Bash)

parv: the first block is probably useless

you'll notice that the service started and I needed to kill it, thats bc I ran `sh -xv /usr/local/etc/rc.d/syncserver` form the terminal as a user (which works)

Did you start in a spanking new environment/terminal where your existing environment would not any effect?

new tab > ssh > truenas > jail console > run command (root)

same will happen if I run as syncserver user

qtc`, After line 58 at bsd.to/51Pc, add "env; exit" to see if "activate" has sufficiently stuffed the environment or not

qtc`, Sorry make that "env | grep -E 'PATH|PYTHON' ; exit'

I can already tell you there is no python bsd.to/qaEv

Title: dpaste/qaEv (Bash)

oh

I copied the raw of bsd.to/51Pc, and edited it as suggested

qtc`, Would that not be found under /tmp/venv/bin ?

yes python is /tmp/venv/bin/python

So "python" is in PATH.

Does "syncserver" not have a debug|trace|verbose option that could tell why it would fail?

(Or use "truss", "ktrace")

There might be some Rust tooling (am not familiar with the ecosystem yet)

command_args="--config=${syncserver_config}; python -m pip install --upgrade pip"

sh: python: not found

but if i run pip where `env; exit` is inserted, pip runs as expected

hi all.. i was getting bug while i was compiling the nix-2.3.10. this is the log: pastebin.com/EreZr6hb

Title: ld: error: undefined symbol: Aws::Crt::Endpoints::RuleEngine::~RuleEngine()>>> - Pastebin.com

how to fix it?

qtc`, When you wrote " i run pip where `env; exit` is inserted, pip runs as expected", do you mean the "pip" installed system wide?

checking one sec

Alif, Have you installed all the required dependencies?

parv: yes, why?

Alif, Well to be sure some library/header were not missing

parv: this is my log pastebin.com/tP6bgtpa

Title: [root@klandestin /usr/ports/sysutils/nix]# MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes make===> Lice - Pastebin.com

Alif, Ok

parv, would you try compile it?

`which pip` is giving me `/tmp/venv/bin/pip` same for python

rust panic bsd.to/FUmh, due to missing python

looks like where the command_args are concerned python or pip dont exist

qtc`, Perhaps need to investigate if "run_rc_command" purges the environment

Alif, the current version in ports is 2.3.11, not 2.3.10. Try updating your ports tree and see whether the error goes away.

Alif, sysutils/nix was updated to 2.3.11 on 202208; from pastebin.com/tP6bgtpa seems you are building 2.3.10

Title: [root@klandestin /usr/ports/sysutils/nix]# MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes make===> Lice - Pastebin.com

mine packages are up to date ( i use freebsd 13.1-freebsd

parv: thank you. i will try

Alif, Not package, but the ports tree that would need to be updated as V_PauAmma_V wrote

parv : i did "portsnap fetch" but i got same version. pastebin.com/LgbfGNs5

Title: root@klandestin:/home/alif # portsnap fetchLooking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mir - Pastebin.com

qtc`, Try shoving the environment variables needed in "syncserver_env" variable; refer to "/etc/rc.subr" for any details

parv: how to fetch updated port?

Alif, I personally use "git"; you may want to do a "shallow clone". BTW I just updated the ports tree and the latest commit at the time was "2023-0308 -0800 52e94aebf8 HEAD -> main, origin/main, origin/HEAD science/phonopy: Update 2.16.3 ..."

... "52e94aebf8" is the commit hash

chmod 777 -R /tmp/venv/ -- syncserver_env="/tmp/venv/bin" -- env: /tmp/venv/bin: Permission denied

Use the whole of the "PATH=..." string

Also, please do not set "o+w"

Alif, shallow clone of the ports tree: "git clone --depth 1 git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git /somewhere/local/filesystem/ports"

Title: ports - FreeBSD ports tree

I got it working bsd.to/0JLy!

See also docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-using

Title: Chapter 4. Installing Applications: Packages and Ports | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Thank you for your help parv

qtc`, Sweet

I'll destroy my jail and rebuild it correctly this time

parv: forget me for being dump. i have not portsnap extract.. ok i got newer version, but i cant compile because the newest commit does not bring nix source code

so i can't compile it

parv: this is my log bsd.to/108S

Title: dpaste/108S (Plain Text)

I though this would only take an hour, it took a day instead.

lol

hello again

what i missed?

Alif, Either mark /usr/ports/distfiles, & possibly other directories, to be writable as your user or run the command as root

ok.. i will run portsnap extract as root

parv: i can't find nix source code on cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/sysutils/nix

Title: nix « sysutils - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

what i should do now?

What does "cd /usr/ports/systutils/nix && make fetch" do as root?

*fudge* corrected: cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nix && make fetch

thank you.. it works on me

Alif, Aye. After "make fetch" finishes, use "make install"

i still got same error about undefined symbol aws:crt (( log: pastebin.com/s6dzJsJ3))

i downloaded all build, test, library dependencies via pkg (freshports.org/sysutils/nix)

Is there anything wrong with creating an new group for allowing users to mount removable media instead of using the "operator" group as described in the Handbook?

hello antranigv. I read the readme of jailer project, sound really good. Is there a way to switch from iocage managed jails into jailer? For now, I use FreeNS on myy NAS, with iocage.

bsdbandit: when I installed my thinkpas X280, I read and use this blog post: hauweele.net/~gawen/blog/?tag=suspend

Title: suspend | Gawen's blog

msiism: nope, go for it

Thanks!

And, would it be unwise to name that group, say, "usermount"?

Lovis_IX: in general this should be easy enough (tm) but FreeNAS will likely complicate matters significantly.

I'd start off with a small jailer setup on a separate box (laptop or something easy)

iocage has 2 main things

- a config file with all the jail-related settings in it which you'd need to transfer over manually between tools

- a root volume with all the files in it. you can probably just tar that up and untar it over the top of the jailer created config, then go through and tidy up the settings

otis, hi! Thanks for zabbix 6.4! Look like it support PHP 8.2: zabbix.com/rn/rn6.4.0

Title: Release Notes for Zabbix 6.4.0

Title: [ZBXNEXT-8204] PHP 8.2: Dynamic Properties are deprecated - ZABBIX SUPPORT

But I didn't tested this.

hello dch, thanks for your advises, I will try soon as possible (for now I have a ccat on my knee, it's difficult to concentrate) :-)

Lovis_IX: I envy you!

for the jail migration or for the cat? :-)

Lovis_IX hey there! not yet, with 0.1.3 (the next-next release) we will have a parser to migrate things from IOCage as well as BastilleBSD.

thanks antranigv

Lovis_IX but dch is right, things can be done manually as well. I haven't used it in a while, so it will take me couple of weeks to write a converter :D

Lovis_IX thank you for testing it!

I'm waiting for new disque with higher capacity, I will cange freeNAS for FreeBSD 13.1 then try to migrate jails from iocage to jailer.

change*

VVD: yep, it does. i forgot to remove that restriction after my testing.

Is there a way to determine the file system type on an external storage device before mounting it?

file(1)

Okay, thanks, `file -s <device>` does what I want here.

Now, file(1) says, "reading special files may have peculiar consequences". What do I need to watch out for?

whether your tape is rewound on closing, after this read

I'm not using tape yet.

The question is mainly about external HDDs and flash devices.

msiism, it's probably about things like terminals, which block waiting for input and consume it once it's available

it's a question for the device-driver, more than for the hardware device. Traditionally, actions like that were coded by having multiple special-device names in the filesystem for a single hardware device

msiism: also fstyp(8) might help

I see. Thanks.

fstyp for the win. :)

not neccesarily. doesn't identify apfs along with plenty more fs's

Okay, noted.

vdi, qcow(1,2), apfs, ...

it could use some attention

For USB keys, I almost always use FAT, though.

but its a good tool none the less

found myself plenty of times just using hd(1) along with hexedit to inspect the first bytes of a filesystem just to determine the proper tool to determine what it was

only to come out to the fact that google and such will give you a hint and lead you down the right path

antranigv: I wasn't able to join the jails chat this morning due to a meeting conflict :>(

rtyler not too late to join! shall I DM the link?

can anyone join?

antranigv: unfortunately not, still meeting, just multi-tasking ;)

domlaut: you're curious too :-)

Lovis_IX: I'd gladly listen in, esp if it touches on jailer

domlaut yes

domlaut shall I DM?

yep

ugh, ok so i copied over my zfs filesystems from one to the other, but i can't seem to boot.

Demosthenex: did you make the new disk bootable? man zfsboot or gptzfsboot

so i made a fast base install to the new laptop, booted it OK, then booted USB and removed all the filesystems in zroot. then i zfs sent all the ones from my other box, and confirmed they were present

rebooting didn't find the boot i guess

and the zfs tree looked the same as the fresh install?

which is odd, because i left the efi partition alone from the new install

i wonder if the old system zpool name of zssd vs the new install of zroot is an issue

yes, that could very well be

though after the geli initialization, it's not loading the boot screen.

makes me wonder about the loader

hrm, this lsdev shows my zroot

what's the error when the laptop boots

can't find efi something, reboots in 4 sec, i hit a key now at a prompt.

i can lsdev, lszfs, etc.

hand repairing the zfs loader is something i haven't done for quite a while

oh, i wonder if the old lappy was BIOS boot, not uefi

meaning my kernel is in zroot/ROOT/boot/...

Demosthenex: did you set bootfs on root pool?

(if it were me, i'd do the fresh install, import the zfs, but manually integrate them into the fresh system

yuripv: not sure. must check.

but importing with zfs-recv the zfs partitions should be under the existing pool, right

existing pool is uefi

old pool may be bios

"show" has all the right things for the boot env, etc

i mean the "bootfs" property on your boot pool, e.g.: pastebin.com/cDZKxB2y

Title: $ zpool get bootfs systemNAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCEsystem - Pastebin.com

yes, i have to boot to usb to find out, just a moment

that is set on the old

no, new has no bootfs.

fixing

but the installer would have set it bootable

wonder if when i removed the old os filesystems it cleared that

ah, now i got the loader.

and i booted, correcting fstab.

ha! love it! it all came right up

stumpwm in all it's glory

ok, so how should i update the bootloader just in case

cp /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi

(if you have the now-default mount of esp)

forums.freebsd.org/threads/update-o…he-bootcodes-for-a-gpt-scheme.80163 is a good guide

Title: Update of the bootcodes for a GPT scheme | The FreeBSD Forums

that was actually pretty smooth

so tomorrow i can shutdown to single user, take a final snapshot, and incremental update by zfs send, and i'm done

sweet

Hrm. Anyone know what creates the /zroot directory on a ZFS-on-root FBSD system?

Apparently, all my FBSD systems have a /zroot directory except one and I can't figure out why.

the installer does, because that's the name of the pool

It's the mountpoint for the zroot dataset.

It's used to make boot environments work, I believe.

Strange. This was setup as ZFS on root from day one. Everything works as expected but there isn't a /zroot directory so automated snapshots fail testing for /zroot/.zfs/snapshot directories.

I'm stumped as to how that could not exist.

It's not part of zpool-history(8)?

Rather, it's excluded from that?

There should be a `zfs set mountpoint=/zroot zroot`

Nope. Not there.

All my other systems have the mountpoint set, though. How strange.

I'm comparing zpool histories and that's the only difference.

freebsd-version -kru reports?

And what's the timestamp on pool creation?

13.1-RELEASE-p2

2015-04-04 is timestamp of pool creation.

I guess maybe that long ago, the mountpoint wasn't set by default? I dunno.

I can likely just set the mountpoint now. I don't think it'll harm anything.

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

debdrup: Haha. Just missed it by 3 months. :)

ek: your pool is almost as old as mine

ek: a bit more, considering that that would've had to land in a RELEASE first.

10.2 would've been the first eligeble RELEASE according to /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree

My zpools creation time was on 2008-02-27, which I assume is when 7.0 came out.

debdrup: still sporting the same pool as then?

debdrup: Very true.

i'm not a fan of the 'One or more devices are configured to use a non-native block size. Expect reduced performance.' now that drives are 4k sectors

Actually no, that's a lie. The last transfer to my newest laptop involved a zfs send!

So my pool is much newer.

They've got a /zroot mountpoint!

The 30th of December, 2021!

Yeah, I did get my T480s right at the end of December - I hadn't expected to get it until after Newyears.

This used T480s was my newest hardware for... almost a decade?

debdrup: i just got one. i'm going to miss my modded x230 with the good keyboard

that's what i'm migrating to

I miss my T420 keyboard too.

The move to a NVMe based SSD, a much faster CPU, and more RAM was worth it, though.

Had I the money for it, a X2100 to play with would be fun.

debdrup: That would be nice.

Yup. Just set the zroot mountpoint and everything appears fine. Thanks for the help/feedback, all!

ok, but why is zroot/var canmount=false

debdrup, ek I still in love with my X280

huh, the 13.1-RELEASE installer's hardening still sets sendmail_enable=NONE (deprecated) instead of NO

ah, not equivalent. I wonder why it doesn't just list all the things NONE affects

antranigv: Here?

michaeldexter yup!

are you the *real* michaeldexter?

i think i read about you

gman999: some people in here are "famous". they are, however, and i know this is hard to believe: still actual real people

oh, right we're not alone.

we know each other for like 15-20 years.

sorry for sounding like a troll

Haha.

my thought was more like fangirl, lol

gender isn't always defined in a handle

gender is overrated, plus its March 8.

happy iwd

today (and only today) Herrengasse U-Bahn stop Was renamed to Frauengasse

gman999: I an AI construct. May I write a conference paper for you?

is it as good as your normal writing?

Happy IWD!

and to you and the family!

someone thought i was trolling/fanclub'g you

i was going to say something like...

"are you the guy mentored by that george from nyc?"

Counting... 8 W! Including the dog and five hens...

omfg

you farmers

come on.. *that* would have been funny no?

I will never understand why people lay more eggs than hens.

ha ha ha... ouch

im not doing bsdcan this year.. but need ot chat one-on-one about the topic i'm tinkering on.

WAT?

meta-bsd

i know.. maybe.. but unlikely

i am going to tor summit in costa rica :)

the weather and food are better

LOL, I just discussed the "Outsiders Guide to (insert here)BSD" with someone. Same topic?

I'm sure the rum is better too.

But, may AI algorithms can interpret "meta-bsd" in 43516546 different ways.

well... more talking to each other than the outside world.

not like we did with the last nycbsdcon

which was addrssed to $other

mwl said: "you have set bar very high with this".. .and we havne't had one since!

patrick wants to badly.. but i dont have the time/abilities yet

but we are having our first nyc*bug meeting again in april... so we see

michaeldexter: Five hens sounds inefficient. What sort, though?

in my locale five hens is the maximum allowable per city code xD

antranigv: would you be game to join #freebsd-jails to be peppered with some jailer questions?