Hello

kevans: hi, mind a pm?

o/ does anyone know the state of the "defer" pfsync option? it is visible in ifconfig pfsync0 and it is present in the code and there is even unit tests, but it is not mentioned in the manpage

yuripv: sorry, a bit late- off to bed now, but feel free anytime

how to specify flavor with portmaster?

is your PST broken on physical BSD machine?

I just found out my machine TZ is broken. I thought my crontab was broken

Nope; time zone setting works for me (with BIOS time set either in UTC or local time zone)

time for revisiting handbook!

parv: thanks

just in case, woudn't my router treat my differently by sudden change of my local time?

i am afraid before doing it

How much is the time difference?

1h10m

its 12:47 AM in PST

but my bsd machine tells me it is 01:55 PST

Will not matter

thank you

parv: didn't you mean bios time by tzsetu no?

No I did not.

hmm

it was nice to ask

adjkerntz(8) will change the CMOS clock

parv: i don't see that in handbook...

See the manual page of "adjkerntz(8)"

parv: thank you. is your /etc/localtime a link or a file?

hi :)

how can I list not active jails?

jls shows only running jails

jail(8) says "jail -e : w" should do it, although it also includes jail parameters in the output.

s/w"/"/

how would you define 'not active jails'? jails are pretty dynamic, you can just start one via jail

well, not active I mean not running

jail -e looks great

not super, but works

so, jails configured via jail.conf, that are not running?

exactly

because it is my private computer and my own private jails, I can grep jail.conf and I think it is the best solution by now

I reckon most jail managers would be based on -e

like ^[a-z]{1,20}

btw

it is only me, or there is a lot broken packages in pkg? I mean than, a lot of programs crashes.

Which ones specifically?

for example netsurf-gtk. It runs correctly but when I click on link it crash

segfault

or minitube

And you're sure it's not, maybe, related to broken RAM on your side?

well I guess not because I use for example Firefox or Gimp

Netsurf still uses GTK 2, right?

both apps use a lot of ram

ldd says gtk3

I see.

It's probably best to test this on another machine as well, or ask someone to do that.

Is this amd64?

xvkbd = sefgault

on all machines

nope, all machines are 32bit

Like, 32-bit x86?

yes x86.

Okay, so, if you have already tested this on more than one machine, it's probably a good idea to report that as a bug.

i will report some bugs anyway

Maybe start with the package where it bothers you the most and see how that goes. That might already reveal a few things.

to report crashes I wanna find good debugger and traser

I can't find strace for example

for sure i will report geli bug on boot. When geli asks for password, system still prints messages to tty and it is imposible to type password becuase (I think) geli tages those messages as part of password

so I wait until system stop printing, I type enter to clear buffer and then typepassword

which package contain strace tool?

or something similar?

truss is in base.

I noticed that sometimes pkg not install important libraries needed as dependencies. Not very often, it is rare, but happened.

thanks - didn't know truss

That's usually because that dependency is missing in the port Makefile.

probably

ok, I will debug apps and report issues ;)

thanks for help

wikan: what CPUs do you have that are still 32bit, or are you one of the people who mistakenly think 32bit mode is better than 64bit mode?

debdrup, I use old computers

my "new" machine broke, so I took old laptop and noticed it is good enough for me

so I didn't buy new mashine and start use old collected machines instead

wikan: my Intel Core2Duo E6550 from 2007 has 64bit mode.

well, I noticed that some 64 apps use much more RAM than 32 versions

old machines have limited amount of ram

i learnt to use small apps, but still i need some large

Just because they use more ram, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. In general, unused ram is just wasting resources (both in terms of CPUtime and also in terms of electricity).

true, but we speak about 80% of ram usage on 32bit

64bit uses 80% more memory than 32bit?

And you're sure this was _exactly_ the same workload with cold caches et al?

no, I ment that sometimes 80% of ram is in use on my machine

Yes, that's not a bad thing.

mostly it is 20%, but when I use large apps it is near swap

Memory consumes the same amount of electricity whether it's used or not.

FreeBSD isn't other Unix-likes, it can handle swapping.

I've got 16GB memory and 16GB swap, with ~500MB memory free and 2GB swap used, and the system doesn't run slower because of it because everything that's swapped out is stuff that isn't being used.

That's what swap is for, afterall.

what is a point of this discussion?

That if you want FreeBSD to run as well as it can, you shouldn't be using 32bit mode.

And, although it's a fair few years away, 32bit mode is eventually going to go away.

there is no reason to not use 32bit if freebsd has 32bit version

Sure, if your CPU doesn't have 64bit mode, that's fine.

and it is my own, private choise

64bit is faster, though.

Certain types of cryptography work up to 50% faster on 64bit compared to 32bit.

because SIMD?

sorry, I will not discuss about this. It is non sens. It is like "be vegan, don't eat meat"

as i said. This is my choise and I have no idea, why you think I do not know what i am doing

it is actually rude in some way

i don't tell anybody to use or not use hardware, sofware of 32/64bit versions of software. Your machine is owned by you, it is your land and I will not tell you how you should use your own computers.

so, I have no idea why you want tell this to me

I just wanted to help you get the most out of FreeBSD, but you do you.

understand, thank you, but your way is not nessesary the only way :)

I think Core 2 has a quirk where it cannot op certain µop in 32bit mode

its quite some time ago, but I remember there was something with it

i am fine and happy with my freebsd anyway :)

megaTherion: that does ring a vague bell.

btw, does pkg repository keep old versions of packages?

i wonder if it is possible to easy install older version

for example the newest Firefox works very bad on older machines

You could try firefox-esr.

I think that's what I'm using.

i meant firefox and firefox-esr

i now firefox is slow on all bsds

In my experience, Firefox is generally slow and consuming loads of resources.

I'm also using it on Linux.

true, but on old machines only firefox works

chrome-based browser do not work

on all my machines

not work or are extremely laggy

so firefox is still the best browser for me

I use Falkon on an old Laptop. But it's an amd64.

is it better in your opionion?

As long as you don't need Javascript.

I mean, it can do Javascript, but you cannot really control it. It's either on or off.

That does work for some trusted sites, though.

well this is why i tried netsurf but it crashes :)

mostly i can use links from tty. But for example youtube...

still i can watch youtube from links -> vlc, but it is much harder to search for videos

On Linux, I use yt-dlp for that kind of stuff. Haven't tried it on FreeBSD yet.

they have the package yt-dlp available to download videos from various platforms.

Okay, nice.

I got my reply, rosorio/pkg-provides #7 "I can give you feed back around June." - I love this

Title: How to provide a provides DB for a PkgBase repo · Issue #7 · rosorio/pkg-provides · GitHub

they are being honest, at least

it's not like I'm in a hurry

yuripv: I guess, on the Internet, or rather, in text, I have to say: I unironically love this

Uses 32bit software, complains that processes with extreme memory bloat somehow don't run well.

how can I use *.core files? The application crashes and I want to find out why. I have *.core file

Inspect those via a debugger -- lldb, gdb; usage vary on how to include the file ("command", "binary", etc synonyms) to get line numbers

etc

i don't have sources

falkon installed from pkg crashes and i have no idea why

some apps crash too and Idon't know why

truss and gdb aren't helpful here :|

You could get "symbols" (truncated function, variable names) if the "binary" has not been stripped

My usage has been limited to getting a backtrace to pass on, & to pass on the information that another person investigating asks for via whichever commands

i think I need change something via sysctl

too many apps crash

sysctl or intel drivers :|

but cant find anything. Only "interrupted system call"