man, why is etcupdate so hard to use compared to mergemaster

i just don't get it

meena: that's kind of a weird network they give you at hetzner eh

rtprio: it's the static configuration: docs.hetzner.com/cloud/servers/static-configuration , you can also just use DHCP, which commits the crimes for you then

Title: Static IP configuration - Hetzner Docs

I wanted one daemon less that's running, so i went with the static config

no no, i mean why is the gateway rfc1918 when it's not on the network of your assigned ip address

it's a point-to-point peer configuration. given that my address is /32, that kind of makes sense, and is the only way to do it, really, without wasting precious public IPv4 on stuff like gateways

or give you an internal ip and magically binat a public ip to you, i guess

that might be less painful than what they are doing, but, apparently, this "scales"

you only get internal IPs from Hetzner if you explicitly ask for it, and it's only useful to interconnect a set of your machines within that network

"scales" lol

look, i haven't run a multi million machine network yet, i have no idea what scales

although i do know people who make great use of BGP

that also seems... excessive, but i don't have any experience at that scale

if you want to inform ten thousand machines of a new route it seems like a sensible choice

let's just hope hetzner's fire suppression "scales"

rtprio: 🤞

otoh, i try not to have any data which cannot be regenerated

can autocompletion cause laggy response through ssh?

i feel subtle laggy feeling in the middle of command sometimes

sometimes those autocomplete functions to a lot of disk io that can take a moment; but it shouldn't be ssh

Speaking of IPv4 and IPv6, how well does the FreeBSD public infrastructure (update servers and package repo servers) work from an IPv6-only machine? (I'm also curious about the Internet overall, but that's not as much a question for here.)

V_PauAmma_V: git, www, pkg all have it, so i'd say you're probably good

If "all" includes update servers (for freebsd-update) too, I would be.

mictty: autocompletion can even do things like reach out to other systems

V_PauAmma_V: i would assume, but don't really use freebsd-update so i can't say definately

I've been running a few v6-only systems for a while now. Works.

When I set them up, some server hostnames didn't have v6 addresses, so I picked from the ones that did. That was a while ago, so I don't know if that's still the case.

mason: which direction

I would want to update BIOS (to 3.10) of Framework laptop (have 3.07); 14 has been currently installed (ZFS root; UEFI). Problem of losing the boot record after the BIOS update & need to restore it has kept me from doing so. How should I go about restoring the UEFI boot data?

parv: does that commerical-grade so basically you can email and get the response within a day?

mictty, What is the context?

parv: it's awesome that you can ask them and they kindly answer you

parv: unlike volunteer-based opensource where we get answer like few weeks later

parv: how is the laptop?

mictty, Too short of a battery life (w/ FreeBSD 14 at least), so need to be tethered to the wall; no Intel RJ45 port (recent one is Realtek). It was an expensive mistake of mine that I bought it

parv: have you seen capacity? hardware problem or software problem?

parv: do you use speaker?

mictty, (on Framework 'puter) use speakers some times

mictty, And touchpad buttons do not work as expected: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=262500

Title: 262500 – Framework laptop (Intel i5-1135G7): No cursor movement or buttons on console; no right button in Xorg

they are all around 50wh

likely software problem.

Recent ThinkPad X series also have similar battery capacity; bit larger capacity is available in T series

parv: It's nice to have such a cool laptop. At some point you will get all support.

😂Hope that "some point" would arrive before battery loses its capacity

lol

parv: good thing is that you can just get the battery and replace it with the manual

(to clarify I meant before the battery cannot hold charge to ~80% level)

You would love this: Framework cannot ship the battery to me (I am in USA; by air) due FAA regulations of shipping lithium ion battery.

hi all

parv: they should work extra on documentation since it meant to aid customer replacing component

mictty, Documentation is not the problem (it is there). Problem is getting a replacement battery shipped to me

parv: yes I keep my lithium batteries in a fireproof bag

parv: they do because it is really dangerous throwing them

parv: but then how do you get the battery...

mictty, Ha! I don't (short of being somewhere where Framework would ship the battery by land)

mictty, Have I mentioned the expensive mistake I made by buying a Framework laptop?

parv: you lucky

oh ye, oleee! : pastebin.mozilla.org/ZAzk6CaA

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/ZAzk6CaA (JavaScript)

mictty, Me lucky how?

yo9fah, Sweet

Yes! :D

:D

parv: I didn't get that. You live in US and framwork outsource hardware from out-of-us to you in the us. But not battery seperately due to such a regulration?

Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image

:P

mictty, Yes

d:

parv: I don't come up with a solution for that shipping problem

That means: A trip to California!

parv: San Mateo?

mictty, Framework HQ is in San Francisco, CA, 94108-4618 (per frame.work/contact-us)

parv: I don't know how it works, but can you purchase them in a head quarter?

bah, I like mine

mictty, I kind of doubt that; it may have warehouses elsewhere on continental US

yeah, i'd be surprised if they run a storefront out of their offices

parv: I am not even sure if you can see any engineer there

kevans, Do you want to like mine too (by buying mine)😉?

parv: they seem outsource engineers too: jobs.lever.co/framework

Title: Framework

parv: hah, totally would if I had more than two hands

admittedly, mine stays tethered to the wall anyways as I work out of the living room, though the last time I took it battery-only (in Vienna) it performed better than I expected

parv: i am curious too, can you email them?

hard to believe eurobsdcon was already three months ago

kevans: I only watched the netflix part

kevans: was there any talk about framwork if this has any context?

mictty, I had (emailed Framework) when bought the 'puter (about getting a spare battery); there was no solution

mictty: i've been meaning to go back and watch that one

i spent most of that day in the lobby because I slept terribly the night before

parv: no chance of they sell component in the headquarter in sf?

kevans: you went there. you true bsd folk

kevans, When you go to a location 7-8+ hour away (say to EuroBSD con), do you include a day before the event in your trip to get adjusted/to recover from jet lag?

mictty, Ah. I had not asked Framework that

parv: both of we are curious

parv: I only included a half a day or so, but I was told after I booked it that I did it wrong and I'd tend to agree

it was supposed to be a half a day, but we got stuck on a plane at AMS (much to the surprise of nobody that frequently travels through AMS, apparently)

Damn

Well, BSDCan will be much closer

oh yeah

also, my wife doesn't care if I go to BSDCan without her, she's been to canada enough now that there's no novelty to it

kevans, How would you compare your experiences between BSDCan & EuroBSD con?

hard to compare, they were both pretty awesome

though I am reflecting on it a bit, writing up a trip report

kevans, Could you please go on some next "BSD Now" podcast (to speak about the trip)?

parv: I don't know, they already prodded me into talking to thwm once before

Does anyone know what freebsd's version of logind is? I need a libseat backend

oldfashionedcow: Isn't that what seatd is for?

C.f. sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd

Title: seatd: Seat management daemon and library

i mean, there's a reason they don't allow you to fly with lithium ion batteries

There is 100-160 Wh allowance on spare batteries in carry-on luggage: tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/w…thium-batteries-more-100-watt-hours faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/more_info/?hazmat=7

Title: Lithium batteries with more than 100 watt hours | Transportation Security Administration

that's a pretty small batterh 🙄

Good morning #freebsd I hope everyone is well. Guys, I'm trying for the first time to join a test FreeBSD 13 box to my home AD server (which is a SAMBA4 one). I have Windows 10, RHEL7 and RHEL8 joined successfully but I'm struggling with FreeBSD. I've installed sssd via pkg, and also adcli ... but when I'm trying to join the domain I'm getting

Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service

anyone who could advise please

[diablo], ask in the relevant channel for the adcli program.

I don't know where that would be, but it's not here.

hi Ellenor morning

yeah, I did wonder... seems its a freedesktop project ...

think the issue is more linked to the GSSAPI ... again, god knows what channel that would be. I sort of came here hoping someone might have their FreeBSD boxes joined to a domain

I do hope you get satisfaction, I just don't know where you would get it from

no probs... all the best

hi all

I want to compile an application from ports. If I enable ports, can I disable them after installing that app? I currently only use pkg.

Or I can leave them activated?

The application that I want to compile exists only in ports and not as a pkg

I'm not sure what you mean by "enable ports". The ports tree is inert. It doesn't do anything unless you use "make" in it. Which app is that? Most are meant to be available as packages, so if yours isn't, it may be that the package builder isn't succeeding in building that app, or that it's not available for your architecture or FreeBSD version. In the latter case, using the port won't help.

I understand. Thanks for the reply.

where do I find what clock / ratio my cpu is using in sysctl

or what its present core speed is

It is compiled from the port because I tested it a few days ago. It's about anydesk. But I think I will give it up as soon as possible..

daemon, depends on whether you have frequency scaling

dev.cpu.0.freq CAN show an approximate frequency

*checks port* Oh, anydesk is a commercial product. Yeah, it can't be made available as a package.

oops.

hello #freebsd

i use external HD always, but sometimes it has slight problems and causes 20 minutes long forced checks if it's mounted through fstab. what's a better strategy to mount it during the boot?

Use /etc/rc.local

With a "noauto" entry in fstab.

hubertm, Just to understand better let me ask, so the problem is the delay waiting for the fsck to finish on this one problematic drive? This isn't a USB attached drive is it?

USB has often caused me grief. I use USB for *temporary* use only now. I avoid USB for persistently attached storage now.

yes, it is USB

Just what -- re permanent USB attachement -- was said in recent "2.5 Admin" podcast episode

parv, What podcast is that?

The one with Joe R, Allan J & Jim S: 2.5admins.com . ( Oh I need to correct: s/Admin/&s/)

Title: 2.5 Admins

Looks interesting. I might have another podcast to listen to in my feed. Thanks!

hubertm, I will avoid further admonishment to avoid persistent USB storage since I presume you would if you could in which case I agree with cracauer +1 to mount it manually being careful to background the check and mount and I would probably also use rc.local because its use is straight forward.

first time i tried rc.local i just saved a standard sh-script file there ...and it didn't work... well, i have to read manuals

(what's the best alternative for a USB drive if you want to use an external HD?)

hubertm, I would think an external SSD connected over USB

hubertm: to avoid forced checks, be sure to gracefully unmount it

Until few days ago I was under the general, vague, unsupported via any past experience impression that Thunderbolt support in FreeBSD was a given. Oh, how wrong I was! bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253374#c35

Title: 253374 – [if_ure] Add support for RTL8153B, RTL8156 and RTL8156B

can I get help here for an issue that I think is being caused by an interaction between the NVIDIA proprietary drivers and the libcef.so framework (which is being used here by Steam for its UI)?

because after browsing kernel.log I think that's the root cause of the hard freezes I've been experiencing recently

dammit wrong channel sorry

portupgrade has two switches -c and -C I believe one probably does want I want (to get all the config steps done, similar to running "make config-recursive" in the ports tree). I just tried the -c and now I'm building LLVM :( The man page says it's running “make config-conditional” but I can't find anything in "man make config" noting a config-conditional. What does this config-conditional do?

config-conditional Skip the ports which have already had their OPTIONS

configured.

rtprio: i'm sorry, where did you get that?

in ports(7)

rtprio: doh! on my part. "man ports" Still not sure why it's currently building LLVM after running that but ... thanks for the man page help.

no worries

i'd just pkg install it