Hello! I want to try freebsd as my main desktop soon, but I am wondering about a couple things. I use NetworkManager to deal with my networking. Is there something similar on freebsd?

nah

during install just pick dhcp

audio is simpler too jsut mixer vol 100

and I use iceWM bestest desktop

and irssi for irc

and qbittorrent

and smplayer

BOOM

microsfot obsolete for decade or more same with oracle and ibm

picolisp.com or pharo.org or gnu clog for replacing big tek

and live life

archlinux is painful to setup

just use freebsd

and make sure UFS not zfs

zfs pain in the nads

Why not ZFS?

locks up smaller desktop

zfs avoid liek plague

unix aka bsd is very veyr nice

Absolutly not. You just need > 8gb ram

wrong

use ufs

dont do it!

dont do zfs

yull b sorry

I use ZFS on my server and main root on gentoo, and have done so fine for more than 6 years.

huge mistake

not as big as java oracle or .net

but up there

How? Name the problem you experienced.

slow

locks up smaller desktop

no gain

What was your specs?

without it life grand

4g ram

Do you know about snapshots?

2x1.7ghz

6t usb3 drive

not really

Well there is your problem. I think a minimum of 8gb of ram is needed for a good experience.

well

i said smaller desktop eh

and I think

Greets

even on bigger

whats the gain?

Well, then you don't know about the filesystem. ZFS effectivly can be used like time machine.

what does zfs give ya?

Also, speed redundncy.

vol maangemnt?

Thats another.

then your getting into server class and nas

is there a command line tool shipped with freebsd to turn tabular data into neatly formatted tables

Also snapshots are massive.

I thought we talking desktop eh

FUZxxl Greetings my friend.

I say desktop 8g ram use ufs

concrete_houses I raid 2x2tb nvme ssds with zfs for root.

but hey im for monarchy and free rooms

formattes as in, spaces added in such that the same column begins in the same column each line?

concrete_houses If you ever f up your system, you will be thankful you will have a snapshot.

I love that new versions of freebsd-update(8) make the snapshot for you if you forget to create before updating.

FUZxxl: like column(1)?

Re freebsd-update & default snapshot: Yeah :-| I do not like it (do not hate it either) enough that I set "CreateEnv No" for I create my own snapshot/backup beforehand. I really wish "freebsd-update" would grow a command line switch.

freebsd-update could maybe stand a rewrite in a faster language

s/CreateEnv/CreateBootEnv/ # Whatever

Ha! There is zero occurrence (relevant to ZFS snapshot) of "env|snap" in "freebsd-update" manual page on stable/13.

well /some/ of us always forget to snaphot manually before running updates. (I use zfstools to help w/ my senility)

I did not write for default snapshot not to be done. Am asking for an easier way -- via commad line option -- to disable auto snapshot. Moreover, the manual page is severely lacking any notice of the new state

yeah, man page and 'showconfig' doesn't give any info about it (CreateBootEnv), either.

So, I've got a qcow2 file I'd like to load into bhyve. I've converted it to "raw", but I'm unsure of my next step. I use vm-bhyve for management. Can I just use the tool to create an instance, then replace the raw disk with my converted one?

Or is there some other way to tell `vm` to "make an instance, using this existing raw disk"?

does ufs have snapshots?

is that why I lose so much space?

790g used 4.1t avail 5.3t total

somethign is missing

deosnt add up

concrete_houses: yes, ufs has snapshots, but unless you took some, you don't have any

ghoti: create an instance, copy your converted disk over disk0.img

concrete_houses: and you know that there's more on the filesystem than just the files, right

FUZxxl: col or awk; depends on your data

like what

Such as inodes and other file system infrastructure. Such as directories holding the pointers to the files.

Also there is the minfree that I mentioned earlier. That won't be reported since it can't be used by non-root.

Some useful background information here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_System

Title: Unix File System - Wikipedia

concrete_houses: that's normal for most file systems

Looks like the default minfree is 8% of the total. bsd.to/St6q/raw

Title: St6q

rtprio: col is for filtering out reverse line feeds of nroff output. You sure this is the right one?

My NAS rebooted unexpectedly during a ZFS resilver, should I worry? resilver in progress since Sun Dec 4 17:01:42 2022 5.80T scanned at 532/s, 5.40T issued at 266/s, 9.39T total 1.31T resilvered, 57.48% done, no estimated completion time

Does resilvering looks like it's still making progress after the reboot?

s/looks/look/

moviuro: the only thing that can affect a resilver is in the case of an URE or catastrophic hardware failure preventing mirror, raidz or ditto blocks from being used to restore the relevant data availability.

URE = unrecoverable error?

Unrecoverable Read Error, specifically.

*nod*

V_PauAmma_V: no, but all drives are new. That disk currently resilvering is the last one

smart data looks solid

What's the current status on the freebsd.org DNS issues?

ISTR someone fixed them at least temporarily 3ish days ago, with an eye to a permanent solution. Do you still have problems?

Seems like it, but I'll double-check.

Just checked the logs for a few of those ports and it seems like it might be the case (though there could be a number of factors for it, so I don't want to assume it's a freebsd.org DNS just yet)

Once this build finishes I'll re-run it to try those ports again. If they succeed, then it's more likely to be a DNS issue there.

rtprio: Are you using an orchestrator?

Ports with freebsd.org-hosted distfiles or patches, you mean?

distfiles, it looks like.

I'll clear up internal recursor cache here in a few and run some queries against it, see if that fixes it.

59.95% done, no estimated completion time # this is going to be fun

2.5%/hour, 40% left -> 16 hours left?...

guys, who use vm-bhyve, is there a way to find out which tap is assigned to vm and vice versa ?

anyone running a busy website without sql db on frebsd here?

concrete_houses, it may be better to ask your question directly instead of asking someone to self-select as competent to answer it.

or it may be my question hoe nicly its workin

that is the correct place to store the private key for a certificate on a FreeBSD host, on a Redhat based box it's notmrally /etc/pki/tls/private, what's the freeBSD mirror

xrdp has a pulseaudio module that creates a sink. chrome uses stdiod. I see there's a pulseaudio-module-sndio port. That port is for having pulseaudio applications talk out to a stdio attache device not the other way around? chrome talking to stdio that would go to a pulseaudio sink?

I'm guessing the only way to get chrome to work with xrdp audio (pulseaudio) on FreeBSD is to rebuild?

Apps that use/expect /dev/dsp there's padsp.

ikonia: Depends on what is using it. For nginx, I generally store it either in /var/db/APP_NAME/tls.d/... or possibly in /usr/local/www/APP_NAME/tls.d/... (with webroot being something like /usr/local/www/APP_NAME/pubwww).

skered: Don't know at the moment what the current chrome port supports, but depending on your output device(s), you can use virtual_oss and/or sndiod (or pulseaudio if you want).

skered: Also, look at sysctl variables: hw.snd.basename_clone, hw.snd.default_auto, hw.snd_default_unit.

_xor: thanks, so not really a set system path, more use case by use case

If you need bluetooth, you can use virtual_oss to let it manage /dev/dsp* devices for it.

Though there's blued on the way to replace some of the wonky bluetooth stack stuff.

skered: Depending on your device(s), you might need to tweak some rules in /etc/devd.conf, though I've yet to run into the need for it.

Freebsd 13, reading docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/rc-scripting - the init system appears to be systemV based,

Title: Practical rc.d scripting in BSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

is it actually systemV compatible, or is it propritary and just written in the system of a sysv

ikonia: danielmiessler.com/blog/the-differences-between-bsd-and-system-v-unix

Title: The Differences Between BSD and System V Unix - Daniel Miessler

thanks

Point #8 specifically.

that's a really nice simple to read and to the point page, thank you

_xor: The issue is I don't have devices. It's all virtual.

annoyingly it looks like I'll now have to write a pretty big update to a puppet module

thought I'd get away with a minor mod to systemv support that was already built in, nice doc though, thank you

ikonia: `man 8 rc.subr` to use as a quick reference on functions that are available with `. /etc/rc.subr` in your rc script.

ikonia: `man 8 rc` as the root page of the documentation.

ikonia: docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/rc-scripting (which you already know about) as a primer.

Title: Practical rc.d scripting in BSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

skered: What do you mean specifically?

_xor: I don't have audio devices on the host machine or at least ones that I want to output to. xrdp creates a pulse sink via it's module. so pulse apps will output to that sink.

Apps that use dsp I can run them via padsp to redirect those calls to the sink.

So with sndiod apps (chrome) I don't have any options to get it's audio to pulse.

Outside of rebuild chrome that is. I see there's pulseaudio-module-sndio but it seem that's one direction from pulseaudio to sndio devices (can't find any docs on it).

rebuilding*

I was trying to confirm if that was the case with that port. The project seems to be apperas to be MIA.

Which package provides Xlib header files?

iio7: libX11

_xor: It seems that package is a FreeBSD only thing.

skered, thanks.

oh yeah... archive.org.

That has the old github page for that project...yeah it's for play to stdiod. blah.

So I guess maybe someone needs to create the same for sndio.

_xor: i use puppet

concrete_houses: yes, i've had a busy website on frebsd

nerozero: ifconfig tap shows the pid that opened it; which is the bhyve process

rtprio, thank you so much !

ls

oops

Opened by PID 16322 !!!! THANKS !!!!!!

vm info host will also tell you what tap it's using

skered: Oh, didn't realize this is for xrdp.

oh ... didn't knew that

thank you !

nerozero: 👍

that is really helpful !

exactly what I need

skered: I took notes on my previous PulseAudio setup a few years ago, but I can't seem to find them right now.

skered: I'm pretty sure I remember configuring it to sink output to sndio.

skered: Though I try to avoid pulseaudio best I can, it's a pita.

Good afternoon friends. Just installed FreeBSD 13.1 and registered my nick. I last used linux almost 12 years ago. Coming back to a more proper *nix OS now. Im here to listen, watch and learn more about this great OS

Well good.

I'm very out of date with all of this but it's slowly coming back

Welcome!

Thanks

i let my vm-bhyve config sit too long, now none of my vlans work

maybe they just collected a little dust.

i'm trying to remember what changed, all of the config (other virtual switches) were still there

just can't communicate on that vlan

appears to be an arp problem

rtprio: I haven't used puppet in years, didn't realize it does orchestration now.

it might not cover all the orchestration bases

I was just taking a quick look at the docs and yeah it does seem like it's mostly focused on configuration management and its being extended for orchestration.

I was considering using salt alongside my consul+nomad cluster, but so far nomad templating does everything I need, so haven't had to yet.

Oh, and also, I just noticed these two ports were recently introduced: freshports.org/sysutils/podman-suite & freshports.org/sysutils/ocijail

Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/podman-suite: Metaport of podman and buildah toolkit

:| looks like I may not need to implement my task driver after all.

Im using ircII for now..... it's so awful, it's beautiful

tail

RoyalYork: try weechat and/or irssi ?

(I prefer irssi fwiw)

thanks nacelle, i'll look to those. in the meantime im here 39 years in the past :)

irssi is from the 90s, as is ircII

i'll give a tri

*try

brb

nacelle: as is mIRC

nacelle: Much better, thanks

Do many of use cli irc clients or gui?

most here i suspcet cli

I telnet directly to the ircd and vomit RFC1459 commands.

amigan: that sounds like your on the bleeding edge of technology

:)

I actually used to do that back in the day, visiting grandma's with only a 33.6k. The RFC was smaller than mirc.

Call me old, but there is something about cli and text that keeps bringing me back. I started with Commodore 64 BBSes in the late 80s. Played MUDs in the 90s and now my kids think TikTok is the greatest thing since sliced bread

I miss MUDs

X for me is just a way to run a browser and have a ton of terminals. And occasionally use gimp.

Funny enough, muds are what brought me back to *nix. I have a very basic level of programming knowldge (and more time than usual now). I figured I wanted to challange myself to create a simple text based program similar to MUDs, Zork etc

Its funny because I'll put in a metric ton worth of effort, have this crappy game and everyone except me will be unimpressed :-D

That was my school project in HS. Wrote a Interactive Text Adventure in Pascal

Yeah, but that's how you learn

Exactly

Im teacing my kid (basic) python - adding, subtracting, intro to variables and shes sort of impressed. Shes like "wheres the pictures"

Hooray, us-east-2 connectivity problems and I'm dead in the water. Time to go home.

Ya I got work to do to.... I;ll be idling for a bit

amigan: Good thing most of my stuff is in Ohio ;-)

(AWS I assume)

I run "gitup ports -w 0b68a105030c4790ae0dd04d25ac764e14b70a3e" to get the latest ports collection before PHP 7.2 is removed. When I do "cd /usr/ports/php72-extensions && make install clean" I get this: "Unknown extension bcmath for PHP 72." and build doesn't start. Any idea what is the issue? I did the same for PHP 5.6 and 7.3 without issue.

CyberCr33p: I'm here however Im not able to assist. Maybe someone else will be available shortly

Erhard, yep, AWS. Looks like things are coming back.

rtprio: mirc is for windows "ewwww" - but i'm also guessing its old enough it could be run with wine... so whatever floats someones boat I guess. gui irc would harsh my mellow though :-)

Greetings!

I've created a disklabel with glabel(8)

how can I rename the disk?

glabel label -v mynewlabel /dev/<device> ?

rtprio: I've already done this

but the label I created is wrong

how can I change it from /dev/label/foo /dev/label/bar?

if I overwrite the label with a new one, will this hurt?

i thought it would overwrite

do you think or do you know?

I have data on the disk, don't want to find out the hard way

it's not something i can recall doing. try it on a test label and see

it looks like I can just hexedit it

CyberCr33p: security support for php 7.2 ended nov 2020

FUZxxl: Is it zfs?

Oh good lord: old.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/zdhtx3/lets_start

Title: Let’s start! : gaming

_xor: yeah

rtprio: that worked ... whewh

FUZxxl: 👍

Hexediting it?

I remember something about being careful with glabel on a gpt+zfs disk.

nah didn't find a suitable hexeditor

just destroyed and recreated the disk label

It rebooted successfully?

rtprio I know but I run it inside a jail and I use backports from newer versions

FUZxxl: you shouldn't need a hexeditor. geom can set labels

meena: glabel(8) does not have a feature to change a label

Maybe I should file a feature request

there is a way to do that

might be via gpart or something odd

I asked a couple of years ago

it was not really clear or obvious but there is a way

FUZxxl: weird

daemon: for gpart labels, sure why not

but I don't think there is one for glabel(8) labels

'create' and 'label' in the man page look to be useful

more 'label'

daemon: which of these change an existing label?

looking at this command

it looks like you would want to do a 'clear'

then a 'label'

daemon: it is not documented that this won't destroy any data on the device

nope so a backup would be a good idea

also that destroys and recreates the device, meaning it cannot be done when there are active consumers of the label

so tl;dr there is no functionality to rename a label

did you try calling label when a label is already set

no

I believe it would fail

also glabel label is for ephemeral labels which I am not interested in

I don't like doing undocumented commands to disks containing precious data

FUZxxl: I feel like that is a question for hackers@

hm hm

not sure if there's a more appropriate list

I'll start by writing directly to the subsystem author.

maybe cc fs: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-fs/2022-December/subject.html

Title: freebsd-fs⊙Fo

ok

who is the author

see glabel(8)

it's pjd@

rtprio: re vm-bhyve, thanks for the advice, that's what I'll do.