can anyone check this? reviews.freebsd.org/D37383 did I change too much?

Title: ⚙ D37383 service(8): add -s for showing status

antranigv, it was accepted why do you need more noise ?

cpet oh no no it still needs more review. there are some services that return 0 even if it's not running :(

cpet what's noise?

normally you have a service and you know of that service why do I need to klnow that all services are running ?

cpet oh well, say you just logged into a server, by doing service -es, you can see the status of all enabled services.

so as a sys admin thats the first thing you do ?

actually the first thing I do is `ps auxd -J 0` :D

I dont login to it is there is no issues

heh

hrm

maybe I should add --libxo support as well to service(8)!

antranigv, im not a fan of making *bsd into a linux distro but look at this for reference

cpet I like copying good things :P actually I got the idea from `systemctl list-unit-files`

openbsd has it in rcctl

antranigv, cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/usr.sbin/rcc…4&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup

Title: src/usr.sbin/rcctl/rcctl.sh - view - 1.114

may help you ?

basically does for i in bleh/service service status

yeah, the problem here is that... 1) services don't return 1 when not running 2) some services return a whole output, like jls, or a routing table :/

yeah all the service scripts would need to changed for -s to work

personally dont see a point but if you want to take the time

I *think* I fixed everything in base

yeah what about the 32k ports :)

chris@hp:/usr/ports % find . -name "*.in"|wc -l

5712

:)

time to get to work!

indeed

antranigv, personally I would just do that with the daemons and ignore the rest

antranigv, netif for example doesnt need to be included as its run only once

cpet oh these are just the daemons :D like zfskeys has `status` subcommand

so jls why?

because `service jail status` runs jls

so even if there's no jail running, it returns 0

yeah I can see that this will take a while heh

I still do rc.d/slappy restart

well, that's fixed. zfskeys are fixed. lets see what's next

cpet what's slappy?

made up service name

ohh

lol

change it to sappy its a nirvana song

xD

antranigv, just note just becuase x is in y doesnt mean you need to add y to x

wait, what?

ill let you work that out

it's 6AM and i didn't sleep yet... 1 minute

ohh as in yD

LOL

Does failover mode in FreeBSD Link Aggregation require any support on behalf of the switch? docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…ced-networking/#network-aggregation I was attempting to setup LACP but am having a lot of issues. Apparently it might not be implemented in hardware on my switch so i'm looking for alternatives

Title: Chapter 33. Advanced Networking | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

or do I just have to configure two ports the same

man lagg ?

sfox: If your switch/router doesn't support LACP, you won't be able to use a standard LAGG configuration on FBSD (or anything else, as far as I know.)

wdym standard LAGG?

LAGG takes 2-3 connection and makes it into one, when one fails it reroute to second

think it came from openbsd ?

or was that carp?

Could|Should PORTS_MODULE be used to always make some ports on buildworld?

s/make/build+install/

parv, PORTS_MODULES

and yes

for kernel ports it is recommeded in my opinion to rebuild regardless of if its release stable or current

cpet, Right, thanks for the correction. Yes, I was uncertain if ports which do not install a kernel module could fail for lack of the said module

pretty much only applies to drm* and a few set of other ports

such as qemu or virtualbox

but seeing how bhyve works wonders well you dont really need to install those

Yup, along with drm-kmod I would like to update net/wifibox.

not what that is as I removed and snapped my wifi cards from both desktops

sure*

Haha ... why? Could have left them alone (& blacklisted any offending drivers)

they werent supported and I cant have G speeds on gig net

Where would I find the make variable listed that would install packages for dependencies when building a port?

How can I configure freebsd 13 to print kernel boot messages on 0x2F8?

It keeps assigning 0x3F8 as /dev/console despite me explicitly putting this in loader.conf

hint.uart.0.flags="0x0"

hint.uart.1.flags="0x10"

(uart1 is xF8h

(uart1 is 2f8h)

Mentions the variables & steps but not the reference : reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/u8480z/comment/iu5djlb/?context=3

Title: patmaddox comments on Installing port dependencies as packages?

uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0

uart0: console (115200,n,8,1)

uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on acpi0

it's not LISTENING to my flags!

Ok. USE_PACKAGE_DEPENDS{,_ONLY} are mentioned in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk as comment

why would uart1 not become console despite flags 0x10?

sfox: is they keyboard plugged in?

rtprio, yes

a usb one

could that interfere?

yes, it could

have you reviewed docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/serialcomms/#serialconsole-howto ?

Title: Chapter 28. Serial Communications | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

(also, i only used lagg with lacp on a smart switch, roundrobin on a dumb one)

so you want a console yet you have a USB keyboard plugged in ?

I have a usb keyboard plugged in because i'm trying to make sure IPMI SOL is working before i unplug it and close the closet forever

another weird thing is that when things actually work and the kernel spits it's loading messages to the SOL port, " console comconsole failed to initialize" sprays across the bootloader screen 3 times

I've no idea where it comes from

rtprio, it's interesting to note roundrobin works without special switch configuration. I'd assume it'd have mac address flopping issues but i guess not

my switch DOES have LACP but apparently because it's not implemented in hardware and there's only a 1gbit internal interconnect between the switch cpu and the switch ASIC it's worthless

it's a mikrotik CRS125

i don't get much out of lacp either but it's just one of those homelab things

well, at the loader menu you can choose the console when you have a keyboard, but iirc you don't get to pick the com port

you have to set that in the kernel at compile time

oooooh

i see

/boot/device.hints conflicting with /boot/loader.conf hints

hopefully

normally you set the boot loader with the option for console first then keyboard

think its boot -P

so you would add a /boot.config with -P

this way the kernel uses the console regardless and if it fails goes back to keyboard

YES! It's finnaly working properly, without spraying errors

thankyou rtprio and cpet

turns out the IRQs and device addresses for the serial ports were wrong and swapping them around in /boot/device.hints fixed it

also the serial port speed can be set in loader.conf with comconsole_speed you don't have to recompile the kernel

make sure you change the speed 115200 is a lot better than 9600

yes

even though it look nice and retro when it takes 15 secs to scroll a single line

as it boots

only thing weird is that SOL after freebsd boots is chunky and jittery

vs SOL talking to the bootloader and BIOS is nice and smooth

without much delay

what is SOL i see that and I read shit outta luck

serial-over-lan

it's a service provided by the BMC (baseboard management controller) on server motherboards

it provides some out of band management functionality in a standard api (IPMI2.0)

it's a backdoor (the good kind you can actually control)

yeah I know about IPMI

serial is limited to even though its over LAN it would still spit out at 115200 baud which is still slow

basiclly, i'm using that because my BMC's KVM feature requires some java webstart thing to work which is broken

probably only works with java7 or something i don't know

so i'm using sol instead which doesn't require java and i can use GNU freeipmi

my IPKVM worked with some hacks

oh really?

I'd like to know your hacks

just using firefox and the java ext

I'm using an Asrock Rack Xeon-D board

then loading it and doing all the allowing java thinks is cool to do

I installed icedtea-netx but allowed it to run but when it tries to execute it just results in a stacktrace or a blank window

so the jnlp file is broken

i wish it were that simple

main system is windows so the HP system next to it is the BSD/VM/VNC system

guessing you are using one of the few non broken linux distros ?

Devuan

is that non broken?

grr. when I use vim in the serial console whenever i press home it changes the character under my cursor to a capital letter

what's up with that

dont think the console uses a keymap

cool! lagg failover works decently well

sfox, In vim the ~ character toggle case. So the current keymap must have a ~ in the sequence for that key.

You can dump the current keymap using "kbdcontrol". I suggest with -x for hex output "kbdcontrol -xd".

sfox, The ANSI terminal escape sequence for Home is ESC [ 1 ~ so it makes sense that this would eventually toggle case with ~ if that is not recognized as Home.

so i need to replace the terminal type in /etc/ttys with ansi instead of vt100?

or cons25

what is cons25?

what we used before it was changed to xterm

can i set the serial port to xterm?

what that cause a problem?

you can change it to any that is supported in the termfile

vt100 is the basis for the ansi terminal so, no, no need to change it.

I would not think anyway. I actually don't use vim at all so I don't know if vim needs that or not.

dont confuse the term emu and the keymap

You could try it on the fly with "env TERM=ansi vim" and see if that changes things before getting crazy changing other things.

great!

doesnt env show the env ?

setting xterm in /etc/ttys worked

"env" is the simple way to give a command that sets environment variables that works identically for all of csh, tcsh, sh, ksh, bash, zsh.

even though it's a serial port

rwp, interestingly enough the env TERM reads xterm-256color regardless of what's in /etc/ttys

always thoguth env shows setenv sets

Because on the sh side of the family tree one can "TERM=vt100 vim" and set the variable for that one command. But that does not work for csh, tcsh.

env without any arguments dumps the environment.

env is also typically used to invoke the given command on PATH. Often used in "#!/usr/bin/env ruby" and other uses.

sfox, "env TERM reads xterm-256color", huh, what, huh? What "reading" are we talking about there.

nevermind

i think it's time i stopped computering for the night

Okay. Neverminding.

thank you for the help

It's late for me too. But I am upgrading a system, the upgrade went bad due to a disk space problem, and now I am trying to sort things out.

Not a FreeBSD system, unfortunately, or it would be easier to fix. :-(

Got things onto an even keel. But now need to figure out the RoundCube upgrade, which apparently changed things. But that's the last on the broken list now.

Miles to go before I can sleep. No rest for the weary.

screw that ive learned long time ago

\

good morning everyone

# ifconfig bridge0 ; ifconfig bridge0 create

ifconfig: interface bridge0 does not exist

ifconfig: interface bridge0 already exists

wha?

ghoti: there are 2 things that come to mind

first, does bridge0 exist after executing "ifconfig bridge0"

second, maybe it's renamed. For example, I have cbsd0 interface, which is actually bridge0 renamed to cbsd0

ghoti: to be precise, this is the relevant part of my /etc/rc.conf: bsd.to/LHWO

Title: dpaste/LHWO (Plain Text)

The only way to reload the kernel after freebsd-update is to reboot yes ? freebsd-version -kru gives me -p3, -p2, and -p4 in that order.

yes

someone has cpu issue and slowing with thunderbird ?

no

:(

thunderbird does automatically rehash its databases a lot though

so you could be suffering that

yes i allready fixed this one

but this is definitly not that now

all options are inaccessible

I love datacentre-grade networking

rsync 1.34G 100% 276.90MB/s

its so fast it didn't even have time to ramp up to max throughput

ha

time was, I could get a coffee from the cart outside before this was even half way through

a

hello

I am having a problem with my freebsd I am stuck in sddm

is there a way to escape it?

I tried ctrl + alt + f1

it might be the problem I am on virtual box

i thought it was f8 or f7, but i tend to try them all until it works

nothing is working

is there something that can be done?

ctrl-alt-backspace to kill x

or log in to the machine vie ssh (e.g. using your mobile phone) and kill Xorg

I found a way to get in with user session

Should you use the power button, do try to use ACPI shutdown, i.e. press it for a short time, not longer than 4 seconds. The system likely will shut down without damaging the file systems

ctrl alt backspace didn't work

interesting

how do I fix the issue?

It could be a problem with USB mouse or keyboard: happens sometimes.

no but I mean x no longer starts

it's vmware that could be the issue

because the vm ware escape key is ctrl + alt

x no longer starts is a different thing; what's on the screen when you're trying to buttonmash

You were sending the sequence to your lokal Xorg, not that in vmware ;-)

also, isn't there a "send keys" menu in virtualbox?

it's vmware not virtualbox unfortunately

I have virtualbox also but not my freebsd on it

that's the Xorg log

it suddenly stopped working after an upgrade

are you starting x with `startx` ?

no it automatically does it

probably a good idea to remove it from rc.conf I guess

nothing looks wrong with that logfile; what did you upgrade from/to ?

i susspect the issue might be with your window manager?

so I set sddm_enable="NO"

maybe a small upgrade on vmware maybe an upgrade on freebsd

i don't know anything about sddm

say from 13.1-release-p2 to ..-p3

I'm rebooting now to see what it does

sddm is the password thing in the beginning that I couldn't escape from

and you can't log into sddm?

I can but then it goes to startx

and then I cannot get the x to work so it restarted

I removed and reinstalled it that didn't solve the problem

what do you mean 'it goes to startx'? do you have an .xinitrc file and what's in it?

I mean it attempts to boot x after password entered and then since x fails it returns almost immediately loops back

I am getting these errors warning: could not resolve keysym xf86kbdLcdMenu1

rtprio : xinitrc is found at termbin.com/un3f

when I do Xorg -configure I get

think that is know to not work very well

and xorg should just support all the things

what do you mean?

it has seg faulted for years to a point the handbook says not to use it

Video cards, monitors, and input devices are automatically detected and do not require any manual configuration. Do not create xorg.conf or run a -configure step unless automatic configuration fails.

cpet: WHAT?

utterly and completely incoherent

would you like a link to the handbook where I got that from ?

yes, I would

so I know where to submit a patch

Title: Chapter 5. The X Window System | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

regarding the segfaulting.

or is that your own synthesis

sorry I dont comprehend such big words can you reword ?

thanks cpet I have been looking there

I am trying to see if lumina is the problem potentially and installing kde

actually lumina is not a bad DE however I prefer KDE or xfce

whatever I liked it

it was working then it stopped

I don't know why

so I will try to see if installing kde resolves it

was the default in PCBSD TrueOS when it was a thing

Title: xorg.conf

otherwise I will go through the details of that

should just work without any of that

yes it wasn't my intention

but then again I was using Xfree86 before Xorg was the norm

It just stopped working

maybe this is the problem?

Title: 182969 – x11/xorg: Xorg crashes on -configure

Molnija, read the PR before you just randomly open your mouth with "synthesis" that I dont know what I am talking about

ok?

sixpiece, do you have errors or the typical it worked but doesnt now ?

there was warnings that weren't there before on the symlink xf86 something

they said it wasn't fatal and the error I remember was with xinit

well thats help thank you

heh

connection to x server lost

the arrogance of cpet shall not be infringed

and there was little errors with my declaration of screen, monitor it said for screen no monitor associated no something

really should need to mess with xorg.conf with the exception of nvidia but theres an app for that xorg-nvidia I think it's called

I have had to mess with ih

the closure reason is utter diarrhea. Crashing out is not the intended behavior of Xorg -configure - if it is, then X11 is truly abandoned

I'm just going to wait for the kde to install if there's an issue after than I will be back

Any freebsd compatible recommendations on a decent webcam or some sort of device, phone, dedicated video recorder that can shoot high quality production videos in low light? whats the starting point/lowest budget for this?

hello

let me get out of root I guess

o:

Sircle, might be easier to start by finding out which webcams or recorders suit your lighting and quality requirements, then check whether FreeBSD supports them.

hello back

so yes I got it to work as root

but then if I sign in as a user it flashes the screen out of control and no luck

I didn't mean to make this today's project

I have enough things to do in the next 3 weeks

after I can spend a week on it

would be nice if it work

worked

V_PauAmma_V thanks

any idea why xfce would work fine for root but not for a user?

I have to add them to video group maybe?

what a headache

this has taken way longer than I wanted it to

it seriously shouldn't be this complicated

hello it worked

not fully but somewhat it's working

it's got bugs like I can log in as kiwichap but I can't login as sixpiece with the sddm not sure why

is there any way to break out of the sddm?

with vmware?

same way you break from any other X11 DM; i.e. send C-M-Fn

where n is a number

what is M?

C is CTRL?

C is CTRL? what is M?

M is Alt

but the problem is that with VM ware its ctrl and alt is to escape

M is Meta which on most keyboards maps to Alt. Technically would be Esc as well.

I found it

it's like CTRL + ALT + spacebar but then just release space bar

hm

VMWare should allow you to change to a differentkey

they don't virtualbox does though

damnit

it can be configured here on vmware workstation

is there a way to see what is causing gpart delete (deleting one partition) to fail with "Device busy" ?

normally doesnt support what your doing or youre cd'ed into the device or mounted

I am trying to upgrade to workstation 17 maybe this is the problem that disrupted my harmonious happy freebsd

like the small upgrade I made

I just did the upgrade going to restart the computer now

what the hell is workstation 17

vmware :(

is there any way I can get out of this?

/part ?

I am in xfce now as non root

but I want to be able to get to root

logout and login as user ?

fire up a terminal and su - ?

I tried that it says sorry

open a term and sudo.su to root

press ctrl alt f2 and login to root in console

not found

remove the .

I cannot type f2 because vmware regular doesn't allow it

I dont know I dont run OS in vm's

password doesn't work

even though it does

there's no way to get out ? lol

in the booting stage?

maybe there's a fake keyboard

take your phone out and start googling for vmware shortcuts ?

I figured it out lol

also this isnt #vmware ;/

cause you know we have to stay on topic

I'm not sure yet but there's a keyboard shortcuts on xfce and I changed it to alt and escape

good god.

guess he didint add hios user to wheel

probably not

it just killed the chat..

what? :/

kiwichap: are you able to escape a C-M-F3 into the VM and get a root or toor shell from which to add your user to wheel?

no

but I can restart but I guess there's no way to stop that part of the boot process?

honestly dont know what the issue is

lol

I want to be able to use as root as sudo create users as a username

I don't want to be like not able to ever install a program here

use a virtual keyboard and press ctrl alt f2

at the prompt loing as root

and add yourself to wheel

this way you can open a term and su as root

then you can install sudo or doas

and possibly dont run vmware in full screen without reading up on short cuts

or do what I do and buy 1 x SSD per OS installed

I guess just reinstall it on virtualbox?

or like hyperv

and delete this one?

it was a lot of effort getting the sound working ,e tc..

but I guess I will be able to figure it out

is there any other option?

still dont know what the issue is hah

is there a way to change the steps of the rc.conf?

ok cpet I will try to explain it

I did some upgrades

freebsd and vmware

then all of a sudden the windows part no longer works

so you upgraded without reading the issues involved

so I tried a few things and got it to work in root and thought ok you guys won't like it if I am here in root

so then I enabled sddm in rc.conf and did a restart

never understood the root thing but yeah

now I can enter xfce in the user account of kiwichap but not sixpiece and not root

I cannot exit the xfce environment

mouse doesnt work ?

which means I will no longer be able to upgrade, install apps

mouse works

but suppose I wanted an app like tmux or java or whatever I cannot install

clickon applications then Terminal su -u sixpiece

then su to root if allowed

I would add that user to wheel as well

it says illegal option

easy said not easily done

su sixpiece

that worked

thank you

does that user in the wheel group

is that*

pw groupmod wheel -m username

should not have any issues after that I would install sudo as well

apparently not

I didn't add correctly

did you add that user to video group as well ?

apparently not

how do you add?

pw groupmod wheel -m username

change wheel to video

it's not adding the users

is that eveb required any more

it's weird

Title: Chapter 5. The X Window System | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

should I just use this as root user now?

cause without sddm I can get in as root

you can do whatever you want its your PC

but with sddm I can get in as kiwichap but no sudo or video group

yes that's nice to know but I mean like lol

nice thing about Unix* is you can customize it to your liking

if you let me make the microcontroller and told me I was free to do it however I want don't be surprised when we get 8086 back in fashion

may not be recomended or std but hey

microprocessor sorry

yes but I am having trouble with the system that's what I am saying

well us something to work with then

saying it doesnt work wont help you much

I was explaining it

<kiwichap> then all of a sudden the windows part no longer works

with xfce I have a choice : rc.conf -> enable sddm or not => if yes -> root only for xfce otherwise else kiwichap with xfce

or just use commandprompt

why not login as user and sudo/su to root?

I guess that works

you said you cant logout or what not which tells me something is broke

I can logout but I couldn't get out of xfce

you logout it should go back to sddm or console

again no errors makes it hard to help you

normally if you type ctrl + alt + f1 it will allow this but cause I am on vMware and it's a virtual machine the VMware is not licensed so they purposely will not allow you to type the CTRL+ALT

exactly if I leave it enabled then it will go to sddm

if I disable it

then I can get to command prompt presumably

you are using a non free VM

get VB which is free and stop using prop software ;/

both vm ware and virtualbox are not free but the virtualbox pretends to not notice whether you are complying with the free terms whereas vmware doesn't take the risk and adds inconveniences to encourage one to pay for it

and I paid for hyperV

since when is VB not free ?

it's always been not free if you are using it for commercial purposes, etc..

similar agreement as VMware except VMware blocks off features on the free version whereas VirtualBox gives it the same either way

so you dont download it from virtualbox.org ?

you do

only thing thats not free is the USB crap

GPL3

why can't I add kiwichap to sudoers?

you have to do some reading

all this is basic stuff in handbook or man visudo

but sixpiece is in the sudoers

it's called wheel, not sudoers, on freebsd

and why doesn't sixpiece's name show up in the sign in of sddm?

right

is there a sixpiece account?

yes there is a sixpiece account

lol

weird.

I wasted my whole day on this

and I actually had stuff to do

maybe take a break, and get a hypervisor worth usingc

asshole

leave

... yeah I'm getting too escalated, that oatmeal is not good for me

what do you mean?

oh thank you

first off Molnija

and cpet especially

as well as others

but I guess I suppose I could take a break now on this and figure out these bugs later

I didn't mean to say wasted sorry about that

blerg

well if you cant figure out priorities that aint my fault

Linux is the more hand-holdey of the unix-likes

I just meant I was hoping I didn't get held up on the system I did gentoo, arch , opensuse, solaris

and the VM stuff for it is generally better than for W*nd*ws

took me almost a yr to finally setup bhyve with 2 VM

and was hoping I just spend an hour or so and upgrade everything

wow

that was your first mistake

so try booting Linux on the host

it works I also did oracle linux

figured getting a job after being discharged was more important than making or figuring out how bhyve works

cpet: oh do sod off with this barrage of acrimony that serves only to escalate everyone

exactly and I have deadlines with school

and so I didn't mind to spend a day but I mean

and then it still doesn't really work the way I would like it to

partiton your drive and install it ?

you should just use VB really

if you didnt get a student discount for updating to pro you did it wrong ;/

well visudo was a good idea even though it was basic I hadn't done it apparently

how do I add kiwichap to wheel?

ffs

pw groupmod -wheel -m kiwichap

pw groupmod wheel -m kiwichap

why doesn't it work?

i dont know

well I guess I will accept it for now

thank you cpet

I will try to actually get something done with whatever is left of the day

not that this is not effective it's just it's not something I was asked to do

pw groupmod wheel -m root,kiwichap

(as root)

is that a comma?

yes, it means adding both root and kiwichap to wheel

a capital M means replacing the member list

no it won't go

I was thinking maybe from command prompt it will but not if the change is made in xfce

you have to do it as root

yes that is done

what does "it won't go" mean?

"it doesn't work" is a chocolate teapot, as diagnostics go

if done in X you need to logout and login

if I type groups kiwichap it will show me wheel kiwichap as root but then as soon as I type exit

kiwichap@bsd: ~ $ groups I get only kiwichap

you have to log out and log back in

because your groups only get added to new logins

ok I can try that

root is the god of all gods on a unix system a user cant do much

thanks

same as linux and solaris, btw

be right back

if that users isnt uid 0 it pretty much has no rights

thank you

so it cant add users or groups

be right back

chris@hp:~ % pw groupmod wheel -m chris

pw: gr_tmp(): Permission denied

hris@hp:~ % sudo pw groupmod wheel -m chris

Password:

chris@hp:~ %

uid=1001(chris) gid=1001(chris) groups=1001(chris),0(wheel)

uid=1001(chris) gid=1001(chris) groups=1001(chris),0(wheel),44(video)

thank you cnet

it works now

I will fix the other bugs later

I guess I will fix the last one

fix or ask ? :)

both probably

I mean I am searching it online at the same time

heh

ok it didn't work

I guess it's now ask :)

ok

be right back going to test my changes

I used a command vipw carefully edited it but I think I still can't sign in

normally when you mess with the passwd file you do more harm than good this is why we have pw

I think I will just erase sixpiece

maybe that will be easier

adduser

it didn't work

pw usermod chris -m username

I have a user that works and I can get to the command prompt if needed

what does that do?

again you cant add a user as a user

ok

think at this point I have to just say read a BSD book heh

you mean a regular user cannot use X?

I don't understand what you mean on that?

sixpiece was my prime user but all of a sudden

really find it hard to beleive vmware cause this much issue

all it does is run a disk image and boots it that is it

I don't know if it was that or upgrading from p2 to p3

lol

one or the other or inertia lol

I once locked myself out cause I enabled tcpwrappers

took the admins longer to fix it than to just reinstall

:)

lol

ok I guess I can leave it

root is like a CEO a user is a peon who cant do much without the CEO saying so

he's gone now and I kept the home directory

guess I should s/CEO/Manager

lol

I'm going to get to my other stuff

thank you cpet

root is like the admin who controls the locks, you are the CEO. You tell root what to do.

so keyholder ?

kind of yeah

thats the guy that I had in mine when thinking that up, from a place I worked at - we had a lot of sites, and only a few people had a master key to all the sites (I was one of them, network nerd privs)

he had the master key to the building where they made master keys, which was the one building i could not get into with mine

I am the KeyMaster.

I am the GateKeeper