.oO( That is ... interesting )

One /could/ update the installer to not give up on setting up different ZFS datasets when installing on a disk partition instead of the whole disk.

Mind boggling really that installer currently does (bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=262461)

Title: Invalid Bug ID

that sounds like an unusual layout

[01]: lang/rust | rust-1.64.0 build (103:05:22 / 104:00:05)

where's my trophy

you get to go rebuild llvm one more time over there as your reward -->

🤣

hahaha

hey! I'm trying to set up an rc.d service, but I keep getting `initgroups: Operation not permitted` in the logs. could you please help me make it work?

I thought it was something with file permissions, but everything is owned by the correct user IMO. I pasted more info here bsd.to/S6kt

Title: dpaste/S6kt (Console/Bash Session)

can you paste it

er you did hah

normally you runit as root then drop down to user x

so `daemon -u myuser` is the culprit?

sounds about right

look at a few examples that rc.d is well just wrong heh

Title: apache24.in « files « apache24 « www - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

Title: nginx.in « files « nginx « www - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

not sure why you are install the run files

but ok

I was following this post forums.freebsd.org/threads/rc-d-daemon-as-user-emacs.83055 and the "Practical rc.d scripting in BSD"

Title: Solved - Rc.d daemon as user (emacs) | The FreeBSD Forums

yeah I wouldn't bother with forums.*

but thats me

best place would be the ML's freebsd-rc I think

what's ML?

ah, mailing list

i stopped liking the forums when you get 400 replies of the same responce just worded differently

once this build finishes ill see which ports actually use daemon

forgot to do -j24 so may take a bit

any reason why you add a user but no group on line 18 ?

i bet if you chown -R heimdallrd:wheel

it will work :)

this user's not in wheel though

would it still work?

and I mean it's working now, if I start it

weird that it doesn't start by itself on boot

would make sense that if you dont specify a group it will default to wheel

or nobody

not heimdallr:heimdallr?

which would explain the error

: "${heimdallrd_user:="heimdallr"}"

: "${heimdallrd_group:="heimdallr"}"

get it now ?

I don't really get how it's related

ok

of curiosity, what's the plan with i386?

Recommendations for good Linux ultrabook made recently?

something with decent cpu to be able to run 2-3 vmwares as well

is there any way to provide a different resolv.conf to a single process?

specifically I'm a huge fan of invidious for stripping garbage from youtube, but it requires youtube URLs to work which kinda defeats the privacy of it all

I could run it in a jail, but then *sigh* X11 stuff gets messy, probably

dunno about specific process, what's always worked for me was local-unbound + dan pollock's /etc/hosts file converted to unbound syntax

that strips out garbage pretty much everywhere

xmj: yeah I already have that in my router, but AFAICT mpv through invidious *still* requires googlevideo.com to resolve.

not 100% sure on the url

erm hostname

_googlevideo_

Hi,

I want to use freebsd and have ryzen cpu, assus x570 board. Which latest and stable option should I use to download iso? freebsd.org/where

Title: Get FreeBSD | The FreeBSD Project

Friends? countrymen?

13.2 would be fine

rtprio I should be looking for "amd64" right?

yeah

I gues STABLE is only in 13.2

yep

not 13.2. So i should go for 13.1 STABLE longterm ? rtprio

sorry, misread that; yes. 13.1

rtprio am that also have "RELEASE" words in it.

I am not sure which one I want. Even in this, what kind of installation I need. I need full desktop for production + UI  download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.3

Title: Index of /releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.3/

don't get hung up on stable / release; 13.1 should work fine for you

rtprio ok why not go with 13.3 latest?

also I am not sure what to go for. Whats the difference b/w dvd1.iso -disc1.iso.xz disc1.iso

I wonder if there is a disc 2?

thanks for the help so for though!

rtprio sorry, I also mistyped. 14 is latest and 13.1 is one on other hand. no 13.3

also I am not sure what to go for. Whats the difference b/w dvd1.iso -disc1.iso.xz disc1.iso. I wonder if there is a disc 2?

Why not go with 14?

Intelo, dvd1 has some ports you can install without fetching distfiles from the network. disc1 is just the OS and sources. .xz means it's compressed and you need to decompress it manually. Depending on which desktop you want, either go for dvd1 or accept you'll need to download port distfiles. And if you want production, you should stay away from 14.

ok

V_PauAmma_V so if I want desktop, I should go with dsic or dvd?

I am going for this. You guys don't have torrents for these? FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso

I think wiki.freebsd.org/Torrents

Title: Torrents - FreeBSD Wiki

seriously? 15 peers/ 150k speed? Am I doing somethign wrong? imgur.com/GgGuXma.png

might be faster ;-)

Intelo, I never used the desktop bits of dvd1, so I don't know, but it may depend on which desktop you want, eg raw X/i3/XFCE/Gnome/KDE.

I don't know if they're all included.

i3

or awesome wm

You need to check which distfiles or package files are there. Worst case is, not all you want are and you need to download stuff

.

question

i have a error checking for library containing sctp_bindx... none required

and i run it configure: error: sqlite3 is required

V_PauAmma_V donwloading is fine later. I am just trying to downlaod it fast now. I wonder why not so many peers seeding

likely because many use http(s) or ftp ;-)

(see link above)

?

use e.g. a web browser and got to the link ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/release…FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso

ok..:)

or use somethink like `fetch ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/release…FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso` in some FreeBSD

thats also slow

I wonder problem at my side

someone?

there are mirrors. In which country are you?

I am downloading the disc1 instead of dvd. It will get downloaded faster Kalten

If you want to download fast use ari2c -x16 -s16 <url> <url> <url> where you add a few mirrors

Thread the crap out of it ;-)

Kalten disc1 is 1G and dvd is 4G

Every sysadmin's nightmare

Intelo: don't you want some USB-Stick?

Normaly I do use the smallest USB-stick: for installing the packages I than just use the automatik download from the internet in the booted system

I typoed: SHould be: 12:09 < Erhard> If you want to download fast use aria2c -x16 -s16 <url> <url> <url> where you add a few mirrors

and i run it configure: error: sqlite3 is required

Something's not installed right

Erhard: that pne, I suppose  freshports.org/www/aria2

Title: FreshPorts -- www/aria2: Yet another download tool

Didn't know about that—thank you!

Yeah.

YOu can thread a single server, or better add multiple urls to the same file (or if you can find a "metalink" that has all the servers included. There may be FreeBSD metalins , I don't recall.

I just installed it binary with pkg

pkg install aria2

SHould handle dependencies. But any standard pkg approach should work.

Hey, does FreeBSD still lack MPLS? Is someone currently working on it?

is a 13.1-p4 coming soon? Awaiting this guy: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=266236#c38

Title: 266236 – ZFS NFS : .zfs/snapshot : Stale file handle

jafarlihi: doesn't have mpls;

rtprio: I'd like to try my hand on it, so wanted to know if anyone else might be working on it

hi, what is that? i changed the ntp servers but still getting this messages: dovecot: imap(26316): Warning: Time jumped forwards 22.669758 seconds

...8<--- /etc/rc.conf

ntpdate_enable="YES"

ntpd_enable="YES"

--->8...

jafarlihi: wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2018Projects/FinishingMPLS maybe ask the mentor what the status is

Title: SummerOfCode2018Projects/FinishingMPLS - FreeBSD Wiki

rtprio: Thanks, just emailed

Kalten ok, will try. tks

eniac: apart of the abouth /etc/rc.conf entries: you could start `ntpq` and call `sysinfo` there: clock wander might be interesting

KungFuJesus, that is already in 13.1-p3.

Kalten hum.. w8

eniac: If the clock is way off and those rc.conf settings still don't resolve it you could try also adding ntpdate_flags="-b" to make sure the initial ntpdate call at boot is set right away with SetTimeOfDay

Not sure if that is the default or not.

-b is default /etc/defaults/rc.conf

I see, ok.

Ok so what should be the first step at fbsd installation?

I would want to install the default desktop of freebsd and then awesome wm (thats what I use though). I am for now isntalling fbsd inside vbox with host os as ubuntu linux

I think I will do major of my work inside the vm (freebsd)

I have seen weirdness a few times where even with ntpdate_enable="YES" I still got clock change messages.

Is that a sane idea?

Intelo: i don't use x, but i have a vm of freebsd in windows, and ssh in all the time.

rtprio I am just annoyed with linux performnce and I hate windows. So will do all ui+server tasks in fsbd

Erhard: You could set the date aproximatly using `date`

fbsd

How to install ui in fsbd?

Erhard: what time server are you using?

Yeah, I had to do that first, then ntpdate -b I guess it was too far off or something. I don't recall the circumstates.

This was a while ago. It's resolved now.

Intelo: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11

Title: Chapter 5. The X Window System | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Or you could set the time in yout machines BIOS ;-)

ok rtprio thanks

Yeah, well I think it was a bad CR2032, since replaced.

still getting.. only dovecot

After that, it should be close enough to the true time, to let ntpd handle it

Right

oh no, do I need xorg in fbsd?

Intelo: if you want gui

it's not difficult

but today I had "maxclient" limitations in xorg

that led me to fbsd

they both use xorg 🤷‍♂️

eniac: I think, you could call `ntpdate` by hand this once.

Intelo: I think, such maxclient issues could be due to e.g. watching many small viedeos in firefox, or many xmessages, etc. Next time try closing firefox and reopening it.

Kalten ok another question. I want BTRFS file system. Can I skip ZFS at installation?

Intelo: not aware that was a supported filesystem

except with fuse

Kalten the issue of max clients was intentional via an app I wrote for data analytics. I just needed more limits

Intelo: BTRFS as well ass ZFS: no idea :-(

zfs is great; ufs is fine. if it's your first time with freebsd i would suggest ufs

no option to use btrfs imgur.com/aA5Ztjh.png

just use zfs

rtprio ^

Intelo: yeah dude, it's a linux filesystem. not supported.

oh

lol @ BTRFS. is out of alpha stages?

So I do all as root?

and install xorg, some browsers, then awesomewm maybe

Intelo: right; or with sudo/doas or whatever

ok

Which desktop env do you recommend? something most native to fbsd? fast and stable  rtprio Kalten

Intelo: none of them are native to freebsd; i like i3 or fluxbox, personally

i3 is like awesome wm. I use that so that will be fine?

sure

but those do not have shiny tools like wifi/ network etc connect

desktop resolution setter

many other things

in linux I had xrandr but gui for these things is nice

so don't know which one to use.

how often do you change the desktop resolution ...

none of those are native to the window manager; but install gnome so you get all of that cruft if you want it

well not much but some times network has issue and I have to "click" connetions, change settings etc

or better, learn how to do it from the command line

rtprio can i use xfce?

rtprio yes.

cmd is best

of course you can; i'm not sure why you're asking me

coz I had no idea :)

the god-emperor of freebsd says you may not use xfce or gui wifi widgets.

Do I need wayland or xorg?

i know nothing about wayland, i install xorg

ok. I thought if I install "chromium" , it will install xorg as a prerequisit automatically

it would

great;

rtprio I hope having linux as host and fbsd as guest os inside virtualbox won't slow up performance drastically?

if you're running x inside virtualbox i don't expect you to be pleased with the performance

maybe the host os will take 5-10% of resources but thats fine. As long as guest os (freebsd) is able to fully utilize 90% of resources, I am good.

rtprio am what will be the login manager?

how do i start awesome wm

search for .xinitrc in that handbook documnet

ok

someone please can help to me i have freebsd 12.3 and i have a problem with that configure: error: sqlite3 is required someone maybe know how i can fix it

ASHER: what are you building?

this github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum in configure i get error

Title: GitHub - solanum-ircd/solanum: An IRCd for unified networks

did you already install sqlite3?

yes

in configure i see it too library containing sctp_bindx... none required

rtprio says no startx imgur.com/cV7waVx.png

you'll need to tell ./configure where to find sqlite

i dont know you can told to me where i am worng?

what you mean like it ./configure --perfix/local/lib/sqlite3?

ASHER: something like that, but that's not quit right

Intelo: pkg install xorg

doing. I thought chromium would have done it but it didnt

thanks

then what i need to do about it?

ASHER: read the help for ./configure after verifying where sqlite is

i no see nothing

there are plenty of irc servers available as packages.

ASHER: how did you install sqlite?

./configure worked just fine on this server

One thing I forgot is that host linux has BTRFS and guest FreeBSD has ZFS, So two COWs (copy on write) might be an issue?

Intelo: yeah, it's a VM, it's never going to perform as well as bare hardware. but it shuld work fine enough to see how you like freebsd.

k

fetch ignores HTTP_PROXY environment setting when connecting to https sites?

probably, because you can't plaintext proxy tls

you might find information in `man 3 fetch` helpful

imgur.com/UEqihAm.png rtprio

don't run x as root

also looks like you need to enable dbus

am.. ok

i install swlite from packg

ASHER: you want to pastebin the relevant part of the output

yes

Title: dpaste/AOuF (Plain Text)

ASHER: pkg info -g sqlite*

pkg: No match.

pkg install sqlite3

on sec i do 3 not *

Title: dpaste/H44j (Plain Text)

curious

`pkg info -g "sqlite*"`  or  `pkg info -g sqlite\*`

ASHER: how about `pkg-config --cflags sqlite3 `

i will try

eniac, Kalten, I think the option you were looking for is ntpd -g and the /etc/rc.conf setting ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" which causes -g to be passed.

rtprio: I did read fetch man pages beforehand, but didn't find them helpful in my endaveour. But it was stupid magical thinkting that it could work in the firstplace.

dh: perhaps there's another way to do what you're trying

rwp: Ah! Thank you!

rtprio: Yeah, NAT - the device is in private network that needs to have an access to public network

wonder if ssh dynamic port forwarding would work for that

Kalten, I had to work through that myself not long ago. I'll note that ntpd -g (and ntpd_sync_on_start="YES") is now documented as preferred over using ntpdate.

dh: can you ssh out from that private network?

Title: dpaste/y8AJ (Plain Text)

Kalten, eniac, Also I recommend to check the health of ntp config using "ntpq -p" to ntp query print the status. Offset and Jitter should be small'ish numbers, Reach should be mostly octal 1's bitmap. Poll starts at 64 seconds and lengthens as the clock stabilizes.

Tks man

rtprio: I can ssh to another machine (with known IP address from said private network), that has access to public network

then there you go

rtprio: Oh man, it works! Thanks!

But what gives .. SOCKS5 support came in 13.x?

for fetch? i think it's been around for a long time

On 12.2 manpage doesn't mention SOCKS5_PROXY environment variable

consult the vcs history

correlate with /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree

not working

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ASHER: install pkgconf

and then configure should work

how?

pkg install pkgconf

this what i get -I/usr/local/include

ASHER: that's what configure script is looking for

./configure --perfix-I/usr/local/include

something like that?

no; configur runs pkg-config

ok

thanks now is working

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