00:10:06 .oO( That is ... interesting ) 00:11:50 One /could/ update the installer to not give up on setting up different ZFS datasets when installing on a disk partition instead of the whole disk. 00:13:05 Mind boggling really that installer currently does (https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=262461) 00:13:07 Title: Invalid Bug ID 00:24:43 that sounds like an unusual layout 06:06:14 [01]: lang/rust | rust-1.64.0 build (103:05:22 / 104:00:05) 06:06:29 where's my trophy 06:16:01 you get to go rebuild llvm one more time over there as your reward --> 06:19:15 🤣 06:27:24 hahaha 10:41:04 hey! I'm trying to set up an rc.d service, but I keep getting `initgroups: Operation not permitted` in the logs. could you please help me make it work? 10:41:25 I thought it was something with file permissions, but everything is owned by the correct user IMO. I pasted more info here https://bsd.to/S6kt 10:41:27 Title: dpaste/S6kt (Console/Bash Session) 10:42:45 can you paste it 10:42:51 er you did hah 10:44:09 normally you runit as root then drop down to user x 10:44:34 so `daemon -u myuser` is the culprit? 10:47:10 sounds about right 10:47:53 look at a few examples that rc.d is well just wrong heh 10:48:02 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/www/apache24/files/apache24.in 10:48:03 Title: apache24.in Ā« files Ā« apache24 Ā« www - ports - FreeBSD ports tree 10:48:41 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/www/nginx/files/nginx.in 10:48:42 Title: nginx.in Ā« files Ā« nginx Ā« www - ports - FreeBSD ports tree 10:48:54 not sure why you are install the run files 10:48:56 but ok 10:49:13 I was following this post https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/rc-d-daemon-as-user-emacs.83055/ and the "Practical rc.d scripting in BSD" 10:49:14 Title: Solved - Rc.d daemon as user (emacs) | The FreeBSD Forums 10:50:01 yeah I wouldn't bother with forums.* 10:50:03 but thats me 10:50:39 best place would be the ML's freebsd-rc I think 10:51:23 what's ML? 10:51:37 ah, mailing list 10:52:44 i stopped liking the forums when you get 400 replies of the same responce just worded differently 10:53:26 once this build finishes ill see which ports actually use daemon 10:53:49 forgot to do -j24 so may take a bit 10:56:38 any reason why you add a user but no group on line 18 ? 10:57:06 i bet if you chown -R heimdallrd:wheel 10:57:09 it will work :) 10:59:43 this user's not in wheel though 10:59:47 would it still work? 10:59:59 and I mean it's working now, if I start it 11:00:07 weird that it doesn't start by itself on boot 11:00:08 would make sense that if you dont specify a group it will default to wheel 11:00:11 or nobody 11:00:22 not heimdallr:heimdallr? 11:00:24 which would explain the error 11:00:44 : "${heimdallrd_user:="heimdallr"}" 11:00:49 : "${heimdallrd_group:="heimdallr"}" 11:00:56 get it now ? 11:12:52 I don't really get how it's related 11:14:10 ok 11:15:22 * cpet goes back to updating current 12:09:08 of curiosity, what's the plan with i386? 13:24:21 Recommendations for good Linux ultrabook made recently? 13:24:36 something with decent cpu to be able to run 2-3 vmwares as well 13:33:43 is there any way to provide a different resolv.conf to a single process? 13:34:23 specifically I'm a huge fan of invidious for stripping garbage from youtube, but it requires youtube URLs to work which kinda defeats the privacy of it all 13:35:21 I could run it in a jail, but then *sigh* X11 stuff gets messy, probably 13:40:39 dunno about specific process, what's always worked for me was local-unbound + dan pollock's /etc/hosts file converted to unbound syntax 13:40:51 that strips out garbage pretty much everywhere 14:55:12 xmj: yeah I already have that in my router, but AFAICT mpv through invidious *still* requires googlevideo.com to resolve. 14:55:18 not 100% sure on the url 14:56:26 erm hostname 15:12:10 _googlevideo_ 17:07:54 Hi, 17:09:08 I want to use freebsd and have ryzen cpu, assus x570 board. Which latest and stable option should I use to download iso? https://www.freebsd.org/where/ 17:09:09 Title: Get FreeBSD | The FreeBSD Project 17:10:37 Friends? countrymen? 17:11:06 13.2 would be fine 17:11:57 rtprio I should be looking for "amd64" right? 17:12:08 yeah 17:14:06 I gues STABLE is only in 13.2 17:14:38 yep 17:14:56 not 13.2. So i should go for 13.1 STABLE longterm ? rtprio 17:15:39 sorry, misread that; yes. 13.1 17:20:04 rtprio am that also have "RELEASE" words in it. 17:20:10 I am not sure which one I want. Even in this, what kind of installation I need. I need full desktop for production + UIĀ  https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.3/ 17:20:12 Title: Index of /releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.3/ 17:20:37 don't get hung up on stable / release; 13.1 should work fine for you 17:21:14 rtprio ok why not go with 13.3 latest? 17:21:17 also I am not sure what to go for. Whats the difference b/w dvd1.iso -disc1.iso.xz disc1.iso 17:21:28 I wonder if there is a disc 2? 17:22:18 thanks for the help so for though! 17:23:50 rtprio sorry, I also mistyped. 14 is latest and 13.1 is one on other hand. no 13.3 17:24:06 also I am not sure what to go for. Whats the difference b/w dvd1.iso -disc1.iso.xz disc1.iso.Ā I wonder if there is a disc 2? 17:24:13 Why not go with 14? 17:32:13 Intelo, dvd1 has some ports you can install without fetching distfiles from the network. disc1 is just the OS and sources. .xz means it's compressed and you need to decompress it manually. Depending on which desktop you want, either go for dvd1 or accept you'll need to download port distfiles. And if you want production, you should stay away from 14. 17:32:25 * Intelo reads 17:33:16 ok 17:35:51 V_PauAmma_V so if I want desktop, I should go with dsic or dvd? 17:36:50 I am going for this. You guys don't have torrents for these? FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso 17:37:54 I think https://wiki.freebsd.org/Torrents 17:37:55 Title: Torrents - FreeBSD Wiki 17:45:30 seriously? 15 peers/ 150k speed? Am I doing somethign wrong? https://imgur.com/GgGuXma.png 17:47:00 http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso 17:47:06 might be faster ;-) 17:57:07 Intelo, I never used the desktop bits of dvd1, so I don't know, but it may depend on which desktop you want, eg raw X/i3/XFCE/Gnome/KDE. 17:57:24 I don't know if they're all included. 17:57:28 i3 17:57:34 or awesome wm 18:00:16 You need to check which distfiles or package files are there. Worst case is, not all you want are and you need to download stuff 18:00:20 . 18:03:02 question 18:03:18 i have a error checking for library containing sctp_bindx... none required 18:03:42 and i run it configure: error: sqlite3 is required 18:05:13 V_PauAmma_V donwloading is fine later. I am just trying to downlaod it fast now. I wonder why not so many peers seeding 18:05:42 likely because many use http(s) or ftp ;-) 18:05:54 (see link above) 18:06:21 ? 18:07:14 use e.g. a web browser and got to the link https://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso 18:07:20 ok..:) 18:07:40 or use somethink like `fetch http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso` in some FreeBSD 18:08:00 thats also slow 18:08:07 I wonder problem at my side 18:08:16 someone? 18:08:37 there are mirrors. In which country are you? 18:08:54 I am downloading the disc1 instead of dvd. It will get downloaded faster Kalten 18:09:02 If you want to download fast use ari2c -x16 -s16 where you add a few mirrors 18:09:15 Thread the crap out of it ;-) 18:09:22 Kalten disc1 is 1G and dvd is 4G 18:09:24 Every sysadmin's nightmare 18:09:49 Intelo: don't you want some USB-Stick? 18:10:43 Normaly I do use the smallest USB-stick: for installing the packages I than just use the automatik download from the internet in the booted system 18:11:29 I typoed: SHould be: 12:09 < Erhard> If you want to download fast use aria2c -x16 -s16 where you add a few mirrors 18:12:57 and i run it configure: error: sqlite3 is required 18:13:18 Something's not installed right 18:13:21 Erhard: that pne, I supposeĀ  https://www.freshports.org/www/aria2/ 18:13:22 Title: FreshPorts -- www/aria2: Yet another download tool 18:13:46 Didn't know about that—thank you! 18:14:14 Yeah. 18:14:54 YOu can thread a single server, or better add multiple urls to the same file (or if you can find a "metalink" that has all the servers included. There may be FreeBSD metalins , I don't recall. 18:15:39 I just installed it binary with pkg 18:16:02 pkg install aria2 18:16:18 SHould handle dependencies. But any standard pkg approach should work. 18:19:50 Hey, does FreeBSD still lack MPLS? Is someone currently working on it? 18:20:52 is a 13.1-p4 coming soon? Awaiting this guy: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=266236#c38 18:20:56 Title: 266236 – ZFS NFS : .zfs/snapshot : Stale file handle 18:21:35 jafarlihi: doesn't have mpls; 18:22:13 rtprio: I'd like to try my hand on it, so wanted to know if anyone else might be working on it 18:22:35 hi, what is that? i changed the ntp servers but still getting this messages: dovecot: imap(26316): Warning: Time jumped forwards 22.669758 seconds 18:24:12 ...8<--- /etc/rc.conf 18:24:13 ntpdate_enable="YES" 18:24:13 ntpd_enable="YES" 18:24:14 --->8... 18:24:18 jafarlihi: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2018Projects/FinishingMPLS maybe ask the mentor what the status is 18:24:19 Title: SummerOfCode2018Projects/FinishingMPLS - FreeBSD Wiki 18:27:35 rtprio: Thanks, just emailed 18:31:31 Kalten ok, will try. tks 18:31:43 eniac: apart of the abouth /etc/rc.conf entries: you could start `ntpq` and call `sysinfo` there: clock wander might be interesting 18:32:06 KungFuJesus, that is already in 13.1-p3. 18:32:49 Kalten hum.. w8 18:33:18 eniac: If the clock is way off and those rc.conf settings still don't resolve it you could try also adding ntpdate_flags="-b" to make sure the initial ntpdate call at boot is set right away with SetTimeOfDay 18:33:39 Not sure if that is the default or not. 18:33:44 -b is default /etc/defaults/rc.conf 18:33:53 I see, ok. 18:33:56 Ok so what should be the first step at fbsd installation? 18:34:51 I would want to install the default desktop of freebsd and then awesome wm (thats what I use though). I am for now isntalling fbsd inside vbox with host os as ubuntu linux 18:35:03 I think I will do major of my work inside the vm (freebsd) 18:35:07 I have seen weirdness a few times where even with ntpdate_enable="YES" I still got clock change messages. 18:35:19 Is that a sane idea? 18:35:56 Intelo: i don't use x, but i have a vm of freebsd in windows, and ssh in all the time. 18:36:56 rtprio I am just annoyed with linux performnce and I hate windows. So will do all ui+server tasks in fsbd 18:36:57 Erhard: You could set the date aproximatly using `date` 18:36:58 fbsd 18:37:15 How to install ui in fsbd? 18:37:32 Erhard: what time server are you using? 18:37:33 Yeah, I had to do that first, then ntpdate -b I guess it was too far off or something. I don't recall the circumstates. 18:37:43 This was a while ago. It's resolved now. 18:37:48 Intelo: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ 18:37:50 Title: Chapter 5. The X Window System | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 18:38:02 Or you could set the time in yout machines BIOS ;-) 18:38:10 ok rtprio thanks 18:38:19 Yeah, well I think it was a bad CR2032, since replaced. 18:38:40 still getting.. only dovecot 18:38:42 After that, it should be close enough to the true time, to let ntpd handle it 18:38:53 Right 18:39:09 oh no, do I need xorg in fbsd? 18:39:23 Intelo: if you want gui 18:39:27 it's not difficult 18:39:42 but today I had "maxclient" limitations in xorg 18:39:45 that led me to fbsd 18:40:23 they both use xorg šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø 18:40:56 eniac: I think, you could call `ntpdate` by hand this once. 18:42:48 Intelo: I think, such maxclient issues could be due to e.g. watching many small viedeos in firefox, or many xmessages, etc. Next time try closing firefox and reopening it. 18:45:16 Kalten ok another question. I want BTRFS file system. Can I skip ZFS at installation? 18:45:35 Intelo: not aware that was a supported filesystem 18:45:49 except with fuse 18:45:58 Kalten the issue of max clients was intentional via an app I wrote for data analytics. I just needed more limits 18:46:37 Intelo: BTRFS as well ass ZFS: no idea :-( 18:47:42 zfs is great; ufs is fine. if it's your first time with freebsd i would suggest ufs 18:49:15 no option to use btrfs https://imgur.com/aA5Ztjh.png 18:49:30 just use zfs 18:49:30 rtprio ^ 18:49:41 Intelo: yeah dude, it's a linux filesystem. not supported. 18:49:48 oh 18:51:48 lol @ BTRFS. is out of alpha stages? 18:58:21 So I do all as root? 18:58:37 and install xorg, some browsers, then awesomewm maybe 19:01:06 Intelo: right; or with sudo/doas or whatever 19:01:18 ok 19:06:22 Which desktop env do you recommend? something most native to fbsd? fast and stableĀ  rtprio Kalten 19:07:08 Intelo: none of them are native to freebsd; i like i3 or fluxbox, personally 19:07:31 i3 is like awesome wm. I use that so that will be fine? 19:07:42 sure 19:07:48 but those do not have shiny tools like wifi/ network etc connect 19:07:57 desktop resolution setter 19:08:00 many other things 19:08:12 in linux I had xrandr but gui for these things is nice 19:08:22 so don't know which one to use. 19:08:22 how often do you change the desktop resolution ... 19:08:46 none of those are native to the window manager; but install gnome so you get all of that cruft if you want it 19:08:48 well not much but some times network has issue and I have to "click" connetions, change settings etc 19:08:55 or better, learn how to do it from the command line 19:09:01 rtprio can i use xfce? 19:09:06 rtprio yes. 19:09:10 cmd is best 19:09:21 of course you can; i'm not sure why you're asking me 19:09:41 coz I had no idea :) 19:10:05 the god-emperor of freebsd says you may not use xfce or gui wifi widgets. 19:10:42 Do I need wayland or xorg? 19:10:56 i know nothing about wayland, i install xorg 19:13:38 ok. I thought if I install "chromium" , it will install xorg as a prerequisit automatically 19:13:48 it would 19:15:37 great; 19:16:10 rtprio I hope having linux as host and fbsd as guest os inside virtualbox won't slow up performance drastically? 19:16:41 if you're running x inside virtualbox i don't expect you to be pleased with the performance 19:16:56 maybe the host os will take 5-10% of resources but thats fine. As long as guest os (freebsd) is able to fully utilize 90% of resources, I am good. 19:18:12 * rtprio shrugs. 19:21:08 rtprio am what will be the login manager? 19:21:16 how do i start awesome wm 19:22:03 search for .xinitrc in that handbook documnet 19:23:16 ok 19:25:44 someone please can help to me i have freebsd 12.3 and i have a problem with that configure: error: sqlite3 is required someone maybe know how i can fix it 19:25:58 ASHER: what are you building? 19:26:31 this https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum in configure i get error 19:26:32 Title: GitHub - solanum-ircd/solanum: An IRCd for unified networks 19:26:50 did you already install sqlite3? 19:28:10 yes 19:29:46 in configure i see it too library containing sctp_bindx... none required 19:30:18 rtprio says no startx https://imgur.com/cV7waVx.png 19:30:46 you'll need to tell ./configure where to find sqlite 19:31:13 i dont know you can told to me where i am worng? 19:31:53 what you mean like it ./configure --perfix/local/lib/sqlite3? 19:32:16 ASHER: something like that, but that's not quit right 19:32:27 Intelo: pkg install xorg 19:33:00 doing. I thought chromium would have done it but it didnt 19:33:01 thanks 19:33:05 then what i need to do about it? 19:33:25 ASHER: read the help for ./configure after verifying where sqlite is 19:34:30 i no see nothing 19:36:40 there are plenty of irc servers available as packages. 19:38:18 ASHER: how did you install sqlite? 19:38:32 ./configure worked just fine on this server 19:39:22 One thing I forgot is that host linux has BTRFS and guest FreeBSD has ZFS, So two COWs (copy on write) might be an issue? 19:40:20 Intelo: yeah, it's a VM, it's never going to perform as well as bare hardware. but it shuld work fine enough to see how you like freebsd. 19:41:16 k 19:53:50 fetch ignores HTTP_PROXY environment setting when connecting to https sites? 19:56:20 probably, because you can't plaintext proxy tls 19:57:00 you might find information in `man 3 fetch` helpful 20:00:01 https://imgur.com/UEqihAm.png rtprio 20:00:53 don't run x as root 20:01:19 also looks like you need to enable dbus 20:06:01 am.. ok 20:26:39 i install swlite from packg 20:31:46 ASHER: you want to pastebin the relevant part of the output 20:32:01 yes 20:34:10 https://bsd.to/AOuF 20:34:12 Title: dpaste/AOuF (Plain Text) 20:35:04 ASHER: pkg info -g sqlite* 20:36:25 pkg: No match. 20:37:06 pkg install sqlite3 20:37:28 on sec i do 3 not * 20:37:58 https://bsd.to/H44j 20:38:00 Title: dpaste/H44j (Plain Text) 20:38:41 curious 20:40:17 `pkg info -g "sqlite*"`Ā  orĀ  `pkg info -g sqlite\*` 20:41:34 ASHER: how about `pkg-config --cflags sqlite3 ` 20:41:56 i will try 20:57:37 eniac, Kalten, I think the option you were looking for is ntpd -g and the /etc/rc.conf setting ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" which causes -g to be passed. 20:58:47 rtprio: I did read fetch man pages beforehand, but didn't find them helpful in my endaveour. But it was stupid magical thinkting that it could work in the firstplace. 20:59:16 dh: perhaps there's another way to do what you're trying 20:59:44 rwp: Ah! Thank you! 21:01:32 rtprio: Yeah, NAT - the device is in private network that needs to have an access to public network 21:02:02 wonder if ssh dynamic port forwarding would work for that 21:06:35 Kalten, I had to work through that myself not long ago. I'll note that ntpd -g (and ntpd_sync_on_start="YES") is now documented as preferred over using ntpdate. 21:09:48 dh: can you ssh out from that private network? 21:10:52 https://bsd.to/y8AJ 21:10:53 Title: dpaste/y8AJ (Plain Text) 21:14:45 Kalten, eniac, Also I recommend to check the health of ntp config using "ntpq -p" to ntp query print the status. Offset and Jitter should be small'ish numbers, Reach should be mostly octal 1's bitmap. Poll starts at 64 seconds and lengthens as the clock stabilizes. 21:15:07 Tks man 21:19:05 rtprio: I can ssh to another machine (with known IP address from said private network), that has access to public network 21:19:28 then there you go 21:31:45 rtprio: Oh man, it works! Thanks! 21:32:39 But what gives .. SOCKS5 support came in 13.x? 21:33:02 for fetch? i think it's been around for a long time 21:33:31 On 12.2 manpage doesn't mention SOCKS5_PROXY environment variable 21:33:42 consult the vcs history 21:33:50 correlate with /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree 21:35:07 not working 21:35:17 Sat Feb 15 18:03:16 2020 +0000 c44be5aa0a9e889c2ebde73986acabdaab952c65 21:35:35 ASHER: install pkgconf 21:35:40 and then configure should work 21:35:48 how? 21:35:55 pkg install pkgconf 21:36:35 this what i get -I/usr/local/include 21:36:49 ASHER: that's what configure script is looking for 21:37:03 ./configure --perfix-I/usr/local/include 21:37:08 something like that? 21:37:20 no; configur runs pkg-config 21:37:35 ok 21:38:37 thanks now is working 21:46:47 šŸ‘