Hello; I've been running FreeBSD on my desktop for the past several months, but one thing I've been having trouble figuring out is switching between sound devices. I have a whole seven devices available <bsd.to/QH4B>, when I really just want to playback from Front Analog if it's plugged in and Rear Analog if it's not, and record from my USB webcam. I've gathered that I probably have to do something in /boot/device.hints, but I'm absolutely confounded by

the syntax and having to reboot my system every time has made trial-and-error incredibly frustrating. I was wondering if someone would be able to help.

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fran: freshports.org/audio/virtual_oss and freshports.org/audio/virtual_oss_ctl

curious... freshports is not working for me

website*

It started acting funny for me earlier today then eventually went down completely a few hours ago

btw I think what Fran means is to be able to automatically switch between audio sinks when plugged/unplugged

does virtual_oss does that? because I have the same issue on my laptop... have to manually change when I want to use headphones, etc.

fran: correct me if I'm wrong

Hi ! Is there a way to defined multiple "ext_if=" interfaces used later with NAT for jails into pf ? I didn't found any example

reyman: there should be a few wayss

you can include a list of interfaces within braces the same way as ports eg: "pass from { em0, em1, lo0 } to any keep state"

so if you want to possibly add more interfaces later as jails are added, define a macro at the top, say jail_if="{lo1, lo2, lo3}", then include jail_if in your rules

then just add the extra interfaces to the macro later on

ok ! thanks @edenist, i will try, i'm interested to publish my jails on two network, so ext_if={re0, tailscale0} is probably the solution

jcamos: yeah, it's been a bit hit and miss, but I'm sure dvl has monitoring to alert him when he wakes up

jcamos: As for virtual_oss and automatic switching, it's a question of combining it with devd

Make a script that can toggle between the modes using virtual_oss and have devd trigger it when the device (based on its serial number or somesuch) is plugged in.

I know this is somehow tedious, but could you make a simple example? specially on the devd side :/ just something generic

thank would be great!!! I mean, I did some changes on devd to (for example) dimm the screen everytime I unplug the power, but that was directly on the /etc/devd.conf

actually not sure if it was on that file.... need to check

actually it was directly on /etc/rc.d/power_profile

I just did a kldunload fusefs and the process is stuck

how would one go about dealing with that?

is there a way to reduce the number of installed translations (via pkg)?

jcamos: you should not edit /etc/rc.d/* directly

Remilia: yes I know... it just temporarily worked

meaning it was a temp fix I did

basically I've added the following two lines: bsd.to/O0qw (it's not like I'm altering anything else, even though I know I'm not supose to edit directly)

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jcamos: you can copy the script over to /usr/local/etc/rc.d, edit its name (in the script itself) and edit devd.conf to make it call service your_power_profile

thanks for the tip!

Remila: not only the name in the script but also the scrip file name as well if I'm not mistaken

remilia: *

Hi. Does anyone know how Mozilla Firefox works? Apparently it's written in Rust (a bit hard to find it's source code)... but I don't see Rust being installed on my machine.. how does it work on FreeBSD?

things compiled with Rust doesn't require Rust

it's not Java :)

also Mozilla is using Rust for some parts of Firefox (which is mainly c++ I think)

rust's hello world binary size is 4 MB ...which may help understanding something here

Yeah, one of reasons I want to avoid it.

Isn't Mozilla the company that created Rust?

yes

holy shit haha

Mozilla sucks

I rank it now as equal as Google

well, like it or not, mozilla is our only guardian against situation in which google gets the position to dictate WWW's development alone

Well kind-of wrong.

There are alternatives that support ShitScripts and CSS

mozilla is hardly google....

I think those are IronWolf (or something like that)

the googs and cloudflares *fund* the mozillas

and mozilla doesnt know whether it's coming or going

Probably Suckless' Surf

But I don't need JavaScript, really

> <gman999> mozilla is hardly google.... < It is for me.

For more than the Rust reason

There's also them being buggy (even esr), then I guess Mozilla heading in the censorship direction (something about their tweets on Twitter, I think)

there is a push and pull within mozilla about privacy for a very long time.

very open to tor project and closely work.. then there's the marketing ppl.

Yeah, also Mozilla Firefox's SLOC is like 400-600 MiB in size

Or just the repo overall, I mean

And that's massive, a big "no thank you"

And the Tor project doesn't really even seem care about the following:

I heard that Firefox also includes some proprietary Google thing

Like a font or something idk

er, yes we do :)

vanilla firefox isn't totally privacy friendly

Not sure if it's insecure to have it

tor browser is heavily changed from default ff-esr

go look at the code.

gman999, I tried to 'look at the code'

But the repo is like +400M in size

so I gave up and said "I hate it"

That day I basically gave-up on JavaScript, too

then you should prob avoid the freebsd code base

So I deleted TBB, too

code bases can be big

gman999, I need 1 operating system, not 10 of them

I know xD

gman999, but it's just a web browser

"just a web browser"... ha ha...

this isn't 1993 anymore

well Firefox isn't just that... but it's what it's supposed to be.. anyways

IronWolf (I think) is VERY lightweight, and even supports JavaScript, I think..

and I reviewed it's source code

web browsers are nightmares... agree.

ff a pile of something

> <gman999> this isn't 1993 anymore < Just because it's not 1993 anymore - doesn't mean that I need 1G of features I will never use, but which also make the project's code unreadable lol

I use Links

And I love it

I thought about diching X.org for dvtm, but hmmmm not feeling it just yet

im describing reality.. not praising it.

Oh

Well - it should be 1993, then xD

url for ironwolf browser?

not on freshports

idk that browser

It's new I think?

give me a few minutes

you have 14 seconds.

COMPLY!

badwolf

it's so new, it's pre-url

?

Title: BadWolf — lanodan’s cyber-home

ty

code ~1500 LoC

found it

> ty < nip

15:07 < la_mettrie> rust's hello world binary size is 4 MB ...which may help understanding something here

?

it's ~500 kb

Title: foo.rs · GitHub

rust is not go :-)

asking the duck seems to give different sizes...

unstripped, debug, non-LTO builds will be a lot bigger than necessary

la_mettrie: my web app with a dependency tree of about 400 crates total compiles to 7 MB, this is with native PostgreSQL client, tokio/hyper/axum, and rustls

so I highly doubt a Hello World can be half that

mage: 500 KB seems to be with debug information etc., I just did cargo new helloworld && cargo build --release, and the result was 155 KB

though might be platform dependent

on FreeBSD, the result is 3.7M that turns into 307K after strip

Remilia: du you use web assembly?

no

just curious, why did you choosed axum rather than axis or rocket or .. ?

this topic however is more suited for #freebsd-social

yeah

mage: simply because I liked its design more and because it is a part of tokio

is there a way to tell pkg not to install certain translations?

sldks: unfortunately not; you can't lock non-existent packages.

It's an interesting idea, would love to see a patch for it.

if we only allow public key ssh in, any good reason user accounts should still have a pw?

Okay

So I have an old jail and I"m getting this message pkg: pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.txz: Not Found

I kind of forgot about this jail

Will I have to update the jail?

lo

hey

hello

hey luna__

!seen Dru

lo back and again

!seen Dru

hello developerians

who of #freebsd may I be giving my advisories to Fbsd development (subsystem crypto)

mississippi 1

There's probably some mailing list?

nonody online >here< for that?

I want to discuss some things offlinish, that is not for the maillist intended

chargen do you have access to efnet? if so i can tell you a chan

thank you I will arrange that

I'm planning overhaul of FBSD on Console , security, there be new link layers etc scientific instruments that will run on Fbsd

flying off to efnet

idiot left before i could tell him the chan

hi, would the linux version of reaper DAW work on FreeBSD?

lol

Been trying to update some ports for three days... I was on 13.0 and had to upgrade to 13.1, and now I get this error if I try and do anything /etc/defaults/rc.conf: 391: Syntax error: redirection unexpected (expecting word)

Do most people just not update their ports and system once it is working?

SpaceBass_laptop: probably merge conflict markers in your /etc/defaults/rc.conf

SpaceBass_laptop: did you use mergemaster or etcupdate?

I didn't use either

Fundamentally its just lack of knowledge on my part - not matter how much googling I do, I cannot find a good canonical guide on updating and upgrading

Hi have enabled a working freebsd desktop bare metal with ufs( primarily as I'm new to Bsd & once I more understanding of FreeBsd, I may consider switching to Zfs.I 've installed Plasma DE, as it is it usable but there is more tweaking to do. Firstly , how do I stop the Plasma from going into a sleep mode, then I'm not able to get back into unless i force a reboot? Is ssh up by default, or do I need to enable it to work. 3. Tor browser is a must

for me is it able to be installed from freebsd pkgs/ports ?

thanks in advance!

_Random: what is 'the plasma' ?

rtprio: KDE

what is sleeping, X or the system

Kde Plasma Desktop

mason: Not sure if its Xorg, but most likely as Once I press any key nothing starts up.

All pkgs are updated

_Random: You don't find Tor Browser Bundle for FreeBSD, but you can build an equivalent set-up: freshports.org/security/tor community.torproject.org/relay/setup/guard/freebsd

Title: FreshPorts -- security/tor: Anonymizing overlay network for TCP

thanks VimDiesel:

He's a real helper.

I'm following the guide of the latter link. community.torproject

How do I quash confirmation with 'pkg delete -f'?

My eyes aren't finding it in the manpage.

are you using a desktop virtual termininal or without xorc

are you using a desktop virtual termininal or without xorg

Hi, peeps!

if no xorg perhaps use another tty, then find the pid, use top/htop to locate the pid. then kill the process.

oh, I forgot to buy CD-ROMs

Are CD-ROMs still a thing?

I am on a slice.

Perhaps, silces are a thing.

_Random, is than an answer for me?

Even nowadays, I wish I can find the CD-ROM of FreeBSD 3.141592 in a shop.

Some kind of antiquity.

3.0 was my first FreeBSD.

;(

wez, it's about a 7.141592 FreeBSD, very exactly.

I have another slice, but it is for a pxe installing from the network the last archlinux

Perhaps it can work something out of this.

Slices frighten me.

I think I've done something manipulative.