04:13:33 <fran> Hello; I've been running FreeBSD on my desktop for the past several months, but one thing I've been having trouble figuring out is switching between sound devices. I have a whole seven devices available <https://bsd.to/QH4B>, when I really just want to playback from Front Analog if it's plugged in and Rear Analog if it's not, and record from my USB webcam. I've gathered that I probably have to do something in /boot/device.hints, but I'm absolutely confounded by
04:13:33 <fran> the syntax and having to reboot my system every time has made trial-and-error incredibly frustrating. I was wondering if someone would be able to help.
04:13:34 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/QH4B (Plain Text)
07:50:44 <debdrup> fran: https://www.freshports.org/audio/virtual_oss and https://www.freshports.org/audio/virtual_oss_ctl/
09:35:35 <jcamos> curious... freshports is not working for me
09:36:02 <jcamos> website*
09:36:18 <edenist> It started acting funny for me earlier today then eventually went down completely a few hours ago
09:38:50 <jcamos> btw I think what Fran means is to be able to automatically switch between audio sinks when plugged/unplugged
09:39:47 <jcamos> does virtual_oss does that? because I have the same issue on my laptop... have to manually change when I want to use headphones, etc.
09:40:33 <jcamos> fran: correct me if I'm wrong
09:43:02 <reyman> Hi ! Is there a way to defined multiple "ext_if=" interfaces used later with NAT for jails into pf ? I didn't found any example
10:01:17 <edenist> reyman: there should be a few wayss
10:02:23 <edenist> you can include a list of interfaces within braces the same way as ports eg: "pass from { em0, em1, lo0 } to any keep state"
10:03:30 <edenist> so if you want to possibly add more interfaces later as jails are added, define a macro at the top, say jail_if="{lo1, lo2, lo3}", then include jail_if in your rules
10:03:40 <edenist> then just add the extra interfaces to the macro later on
10:04:46 <reyman> ok ! thanks @edenist, i will try, i'm interested to publish my jails on two network, so ext_if={re0, tailscale0} is probably the solution
10:18:35 <debdrup> jcamos: yeah, it's been a bit hit and miss, but I'm sure dvl has monitoring to alert him when he wakes up
10:19:45 <debdrup> jcamos: As for virtual_oss and automatic switching, it's a question of combining it with devd
10:20:36 <debdrup> Make a script that can toggle between the modes using virtual_oss and have devd trigger it when the device (based on its serial number or somesuch) is plugged in.
10:34:06 <jcamos> I know this is somehow tedious, but could you make a simple example? specially on the devd side :/ just something generic
10:40:45 <jcamos> thank would be great!!! I mean, I did some changes on devd to (for example) dimm the screen everytime I unplug the power, but that was directly on the /etc/devd.conf
10:41:00 <jcamos> actually not sure if it was on that file.... need to check
10:42:34 <jcamos> actually it was directly on /etc/rc.d/power_profile
11:09:52 <jbo> I just did a   kldunload fusefs  and the process is stuck
11:09:59 <jbo> how would one go about dealing with that?
11:23:26 <sldks> is there a way to reduce the number of installed translations (via pkg)?
11:34:56 <Remilia> jcamos: you should not edit /etc/rc.d/* directly
11:42:15 <jcamos> Remilia: yes I know... it just temporarily worked
11:43:13 <jcamos> meaning it was a temp fix I did
11:46:27 <jcamos> basically I've added the following two lines: https://bsd.to/O0qw (it's not like I'm altering anything else, even though I know I'm not supose to edit directly)
11:46:28 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/O0qw (Plain Text)
11:46:35 <Remilia> jcamos: you can copy the script over to /usr/local/etc/rc.d, edit its name (in the script itself) and edit devd.conf to make it call service your_power_profile
11:48:18 <jcamos> thanks for the tip!
12:28:08 <jcamos> Remila: not only the name in the script but also the scrip file name as well if I'm not mistaken
12:32:59 <jcamos> remilia: *
13:04:16 <PredatorONormies> Hi. Does anyone know how Mozilla Firefox works? Apparently it's written in Rust (a bit hard to find it's source code)... but I don't see Rust being installed on my machine.. how does it work on FreeBSD?
13:05:32 <mage> things compiled with Rust doesn't require Rust
13:05:38 <mage> it's not Java :)
13:06:05 <mage> also Mozilla is using Rust for some parts of Firefox (which is mainly c++ I think)
13:07:20 <la_mettrie> rust's hello world binary size is 4 MB ...which may help understanding something here
13:07:44 <PredatorONormies> Yeah, one of reasons I want to avoid it.
13:07:54 <PredatorONormies> Isn't Mozilla the company that created Rust?
13:07:59 <la_mettrie> yes
13:08:07 <PredatorONormies> holy shit haha
13:08:15 <PredatorONormies> Mozilla sucks
13:08:27 <PredatorONormies> I rank it now as equal as Google
13:08:55 <la_mettrie> well, like it or not, mozilla is our only guardian against situation in which google gets the position to dictate WWW's development alone
13:09:16 <PredatorONormies> Well kind-of wrong.
13:09:26 <PredatorONormies> There are alternatives that support ShitScripts and CSS
13:09:58 <gman999> mozilla is hardly google....
13:10:04 <PredatorONormies> I think those are IronWolf (or something like that)
13:10:09 <gman999> the googs and cloudflares *fund* the mozillas
13:10:18 <gman999> and mozilla doesnt know whether it's coming or going
13:10:18 <PredatorONormies> Probably Suckless' Surf
13:10:18 <PredatorONormies> But I don't need JavaScript, really
13:11:17 <PredatorONormies> > <gman999> mozilla is hardly google.... < It is for me.
13:11:23 <PredatorONormies> For more than the Rust reason
13:15:45 <Anonymous__> There's also them being buggy (even esr), then I guess Mozilla heading in the censorship direction (something about their tweets on Twitter, I think)
13:17:37 <gman999> there is a push and pull within mozilla about privacy for a very long time.
13:17:54 <gman999> very open to tor project and closely work.. then there's the marketing ppl.
13:20:10 <Anonymous__> Yeah, also Mozilla Firefox's SLOC is like 400-600 MiB in size
13:20:19 <Anonymous__> Or just the repo overall, I mean
13:20:27 <Anonymous__> And that's massive, a big "no thank you"
13:20:46 <Anonymous__> And the Tor project doesn't really even seem care about the following:
13:20:56 <Anonymous__> I heard that Firefox also includes some proprietary Google thing
13:21:00 <Anonymous__> Like a font or something idk
13:21:13 <gman999> er, yes we do :)
13:21:13 <tradar> vanilla firefox isn't totally privacy friendly
13:21:13 <Anonymous__> Not sure if it's insecure to have it
13:21:30 <gman999> tor browser is heavily changed from default ff-esr
13:21:35 <gman999> go look at the code.
13:22:13 <Anonymous__> gman999, I tried to 'look at the code'
13:22:20 <Anonymous__> But the repo is like +400M in size
13:22:32 <Anonymous__> so I gave up and said "I hate it"
13:22:48 <Anonymous__> That day I basically gave-up on JavaScript, too
13:22:50 <gman999> then you should prob avoid the freebsd code base
13:22:52 <Anonymous__> So I deleted TBB, too
13:22:59 <gman999> code bases can be big
13:23:08 <Anonymous__> gman999, I need 1 operating system, not 10 of them
13:23:11 <Anonymous__> I know xD
13:23:22 <Anonymous__> gman999, but it's just a web browser
13:23:38 <gman999> "just a web browser"... ha ha...
13:23:43 <gman999> this isn't 1993 anymore
13:23:51 <Anonymous__> well Firefox isn't just that... but it's what it's supposed to be.. anyways
13:23:52 <Anonymous__> IronWolf (I think) is VERY lightweight, and even supports JavaScript, I think..
13:23:53 <Anonymous__> and I reviewed it's source code
13:23:55 <gman999> web browsers are nightmares... agree.
13:24:03 <gman999> ff a pile of something
13:24:24 <Anonymous__> > <gman999> this isn't 1993 anymore < Just because it's not 1993 anymore - doesn't mean that I need 1G of features I will never use, but which also make the project's code unreadable lol
13:24:32 <Anonymous__> I use Links
13:24:35 <Anonymous__> And I love it
13:24:53 <Anonymous__> I thought about diching X.org for dvtm, but hmmmm not feeling it just yet
13:24:56 <gman999> im describing reality.. not praising it.
13:25:11 <Anonymous__> Oh
13:25:21 <Anonymous__> Well - it should be 1993, then xD
13:25:48 <gman999> url for ironwolf browser?
13:25:53 <gman999> not on freshports
13:26:05 <gman999> idk that browser
13:26:18 <Anonymous__> It's new I think?
13:26:26 <Anonymous__> give me a few minutes
13:26:57 <nacelle> you have 14 seconds.
13:27:01 <nacelle> COMPLY!
13:27:06 <Anonymous__> badwolf
13:27:07 <gman999> it's so new, it's pre-url
13:27:12 <Anonymous__> ?
13:27:22 <Anonymous__> https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf
13:27:24 <VimDiesel> Title: BadWolf — lanodan’s cyber-home
13:27:31 <gman999> ty
13:27:32 <Anonymous__> code ~1500 LoC
13:27:33 <gman999> found it
13:27:41 <Anonymous__> > ty < nip
13:35:31 <mage> 15:07 < la_mettrie> rust's hello world binary size is 4 MB ...which may help understanding something here
13:35:34 <mage> ?
13:35:41 <mage> it's ~500 kb
13:37:06 <mage> https://gist.github.com/silenius/d146e2fac11e41c4f209ee4cb4fb43d0
13:37:07 <VimDiesel> Title: foo.rs · GitHub
13:37:29 <mage> rust is not go :-)
13:56:44 <la_mettrie> asking the duck seems to give different sizes...
14:01:02 <scoobybejesus> unstripped, debug, non-LTO builds will be a lot bigger than necessary
14:17:35 <Remilia> la_mettrie: my web app with a dependency tree of about 400 crates total compiles to 7 MB, this is with native PostgreSQL client, tokio/hyper/axum, and rustls
14:18:06 <Remilia> so I highly doubt a Hello World can be half that
14:20:23 <Remilia> mage: 500 KB seems to be with debug information etc., I just did cargo new helloworld && cargo build --release, and the result was 155 KB
14:20:50 <Remilia> though might be platform dependent
14:23:42 <Remilia> on FreeBSD, the result is 3.7M that turns into 307K after strip
14:29:12 <mage> Remilia: du you use web assembly?
14:29:19 <Remilia> no
14:30:14 <mage> just curious, why did you choosed axum rather than axis or rocket or .. ?
14:30:14 <Remilia> this topic however is more suited for #freebsd-social
14:30:18 <mage> yeah
14:31:18 <Remilia> mage: simply because I liked its design more and because it is a part of tokio
18:26:46 * saltd Topic is: Have fun
18:33:44 <sldks> is there a way to tell pkg not to install certain translations?
18:47:02 <debdrup> sldks: unfortunately not; you can't lock non-existent packages.
18:47:29 <debdrup> It's an interesting idea, would love to see a patch for it.
18:52:48 <polyex> if we only allow public key ssh in, any good reason user accounts should still have a pw?
18:53:45 <svm_invictvs> Okay
18:53:53 <svm_invictvs> So I have an old jail and I"m getting this message pkg: http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.txz: Not Found
18:53:57 <svm_invictvs> I kind of forgot about this jail
18:54:17 <svm_invictvs> Will I have to update the jail?
19:24:50 <Chargen> lo
19:25:19 <luna__> hey
19:28:43 <Chargen> hello
19:35:37 <Chargen> hey luna__
19:39:59 <Chargen> !seen Dru
20:23:19 <Chargen> lo back and again
20:24:44 <Chargen> !seen Dru
20:28:04 <Chargen> hello developerians
20:32:06 <Chargen> who of #freebsd may I be giving my advisories to Fbsd development  (subsystem crypto)
20:32:23 <Chargen> mississippi 1
20:33:17 <PredatorONormies> There's probably some mailing list?
20:38:14 <Chargen> nonody online >here< for that?
20:38:41 <Chargen> I want to discuss some things offlinish, that is not for the maillist intended
20:44:22 <polyex> chargen do you have access to efnet? if so i can tell you a chan
20:47:56 <Chargen> thank you I will arrange that
20:55:29 <Chargen> I'm planning overhaul of FBSD on Console , security, there be new link layers etc scientific instruments that will run on Fbsd
20:57:53 <Chargen> flying off to efnet
20:59:21 <polyex> idiot left before i could tell him the chan
21:04:33 <woland> hi, would the linux version of reaper DAW work on FreeBSD?
21:44:11 <jcamos> lol
21:49:22 <SpaceBass_laptop> Been trying to update some ports for three days... I was on 13.0 and had to upgrade to 13.1, and now I get this error if I try and do anything /etc/defaults/rc.conf: 391: Syntax error: redirection unexpected (expecting word)
21:49:42 <SpaceBass_laptop> Do most people just not update their ports and system once it is working?
21:54:39 <sphex> SpaceBass_laptop: probably merge conflict markers in your /etc/defaults/rc.conf
21:55:11 <sphex> SpaceBass_laptop: did you use mergemaster or etcupdate?
22:14:14 <SpaceBass_laptop> I didn't use either
22:14:44 <SpaceBass_laptop> Fundamentally its just lack of knowledge on my part - not matter how much googling I do, I cannot find a good canonical guide on updating and upgrading
23:17:56 <_Random> Hi have enabled a working freebsd desktop bare metal with ufs( primarily as I'm new to Bsd & once I more understanding of FreeBsd, I may consider switching to Zfs.I 've installed Plasma DE, as it is it usable but there is more tweaking to do. Firstly , how do I stop the Plasma from going into a sleep mode, then I'm not able to get back into unless i force a reboot? Is ssh up by default, or do I need to enable it to work. 3. Tor browser is a must
23:17:58 <_Random> for me is it able to be installed from freebsd pkgs/ports ?
23:18:05 <_Random> thanks in advance!
23:18:27 <rtprio> _Random: what is 'the plasma' ?
23:18:42 <mason> rtprio: KDE
23:18:45 <rtprio> what is sleeping, X or the system
23:19:58 <_Random> Kde Plasma Desktop
23:20:55 <_Random> mason: Not sure if its Xorg, but most likely as Once I press any key nothing starts up.
23:21:45 <_Random> All pkgs are updated
23:23:29 <mason> _Random: You don't find Tor Browser Bundle for FreeBSD, but you can build an equivalent set-up: https://www.freshports.org/security/tor/  https://community.torproject.org/relay/setup/guard/freebsd/
23:23:30 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- security/tor: Anonymizing overlay network for TCP
23:26:37 <_Random> thanks VimDiesel:
23:26:53 <mason> He's a real helper.
23:37:34 <_Random> I'm following the guide of the latter link. community.torproject
23:47:51 <CrtxReavr> How do I quash confirmation with 'pkg delete -f'?
23:48:10 <CrtxReavr> My eyes aren't finding it in the manpage.
23:50:29 <_Random> are you using a desktop virtual termininal or without xorc
23:50:33 <_Random> are you using a desktop virtual termininal or without xorg
23:51:46 <Cere0> Hi, peeps!
23:52:09 <_Random> if no xorg perhaps use another tty, then find the pid, use top/htop to locate the pid. then kill the process.
23:52:28 <Cere0> oh, I forgot to buy CD-ROMs
23:53:13 <wez> Are CD-ROMs still a thing?
23:53:16 <Cere0> I am on a slice.
23:53:29 <Cere0> Perhaps, silces are a thing.
23:53:53 <CrtxReavr> _Random, is than an answer for me?
23:54:00 <Cere0> Even nowadays, I wish I can find the CD-ROM of FreeBSD 3.141592 in a shop.
23:54:07 <Cere0> Some kind of antiquity.
23:54:21 <CrtxReavr> 3.0 was my first FreeBSD.
23:54:25 * CrtxReavr wipes a tear.
23:54:41 * Cere0 is in love, but not with you.
23:55:38 <wez> ;(
23:56:10 <Cere0> wez, it's about a 7.141592 FreeBSD, very exactly.
23:57:25 <Cere0> I have another slice, but it is for a pxe installing from the network the last archlinux
23:57:45 <Cere0> Perhaps it can work something out of this.
23:58:04 <Cere0> Slices frighten me.
23:58:16 <Cere0> I think I've done something manipulative.
23:58:31 * Cere0 is free now.