[illumos-gate] 18340 want generic memlist for use with kmem or explicit pools -- Luqman Aden <luqman⊙oc>

Which Illumos-based desktops are you fine folk using as daily drivers, if you are using any? I'm getting really tired of how heavy-handed gnome and kde are and RHEL/AlmaLinux/Rockey 10 are wayland-only so no Xfce.

I know OmniOS (which is what we're using) isn't great for desktops so I thought I'd look around for other options.

IIRC both OI and Tribblix do better jobs on desktops/laptops.

(better than other illumos distros I mean!)

damn network made IRC rename me. Much better.

You'll always be danmcd to me.

Been danmcd@somewhere since 1988. And AFAICT I will continue to be.

I've been nomad since 1985, except for my previous employer (assigned me a name without asking, even though their standards said they should) and current employer ... because some CS undergrad grabbed it 6 months before I got here. <sigh>

Those f*cking CS undergrads... (side-eyes his hold on danmcd⊙ue ....)

Here, once a NetID (account name) is assigned that's it, it's taken for ever.

I appreciate the fact that updates continue.

oops, I installed bq, not bj, on my test hosts. That's what I get for looking at the not-yet-updated /etc/motd instead of uname.

Me too re s/j/q/g

OmniOS v11 r151058q

what's the state of wayland on illumos? IIRC, there is a alpha-ish port of it?

or is it just too Linux-centric, so porting is more PITA then it should be? :)

hopefully they won't push anything with wayland until it at least has parity with X in terms of supported options. The "options" available in RHEL 10 are ... not good.

I'm not a dev, maybe there's something magic and wonderful about wayland but I don't see it.

As a desktop user all I see is just more "NIH" from Linux devs.

that ship has sailed, next kde plasma release is wayland-only

Evergreen statement after the word, "user," in nomad's last line here.

The reason I'm looking for alternatives desktops is because gnome and kde don't suit my needs. They're *way* too heavy handed and opinionated in ways that break my workflow.

sadly, RHEL 10 is wayland-only meaning I can't use Xfce there (yet).

so I need something else to use when we roll 10 out over the next several months.

niri seems to be the new 'hotness', if you are into tiling windows managers :)

I am nor, don't have the brain space for it. xfce ftw

sommerfeld: i don't suppose you've done anything recently w/ the tcp cubic bits?

jbk: been working my way back to it but nothing to share at this point.

I've been reminiscing about tvtwm recently.

last I checked, Wayland requires porting a lot of things from the Linux kernel - the KMS/drm drivers for all video devices you want to use, signalfd, timerfd, the Linux input device APIs, udev, etc.

which would be part of the reason I'm making Xorg-server 26.1 happen

we have signalfd and timerfd

not that, comparatively, that makes any real difference

Hey fellas. About to try something Illumos in QEMU.

Wish me luck <3

richlowe: yeah, the KMS/drm drivers are 99% of the work, and the part that never ends, unlike a one-time port of the new fd types

I kinda wish JDS was still in there. I loved how it looked.

JDS was mostly just a custom theme of GNOME 2

I know, but still.

Felt so... Integrated.

the best bit of jds was Gman's command line gtk dialog thingy

I used that in so many random hacks

I never got to try JDS... Eh.

Zenity?

if I recally correctly, that came about because someone listed dtksh on a CDE vs. GNOME comparison as an unfilled gap

Are there still sources for JDS? Or is it lost media?

(I really don't like OpenIndianna name... So long to pronounce... Why not OpenLumos? Or OpenLumus...)

publicly available? not sure since both hg.opensolaris.org & hg.openindiana.org went offline

Sad

Oracle still has copies of the source around

I wish Sun was still around...

OpenIndiana started as a fork of Sun's Project Indiana after Oracle closed it - illumos was already open, so an open-name based on illumos wouldn't have made sense

Aaaaah

Okay

Wait so

If they forked it...

They should have had the sources, right?

"Indiana" was picked because Sun had used US state names as code names for previous versions of Solaris, and because Ian Murdock liked names that had his name inside (like his previous project, Debian)

they did, on hg.openindiana.org, for a long time - I just don't think they migrated them to github before closing that down since they'd already switched from GNOME to Mate by then

Sad

though they do seem to have github.com/OpenIndiana/nimbus which was the GTK theme

you could probably find most of the JDS source in the Solaris 11.3 or older downloads on oracle.com/downloads/opensource/solaris-source-code-downloads.html

(Solaris 11.4 replaced JDS with a more stock version of GNOME 3)

Yeah I'm aware

We still have copies of the hg places but not easily findable but I don't see JDS in it. Open Parts made it to individual archives though