im trying to set up networking (bridge, ip, dns) from command line and having trouble. ifconfig bridge0 create, ifconfig bridge0 addm vtnet0 up, ifconfig bridge0 inet 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 group bridge, route add default 1.2.3.1, echo 'nameserver 1.2.3.1' | resolveconf -a bridge0. can't ping 1.2.3.1 or anything else

what i'm doing wrong pls?

PSA people: Lots of folks probably rushing to update from 13.x after that last wave of vulns - don't forget to update your bootblocks!

("freebsd-update" does not do it for you)

having trouble getting a simple bridge networking setup working and i can't for the life of me figure out wtf i'm doing wrong. any help's appreciated: paste.debian.net/hidden/02e72c9b

kerneldove: is the up missing for the bridge?

ridcully ig that would make sense. "bridge0: link state changed to DOWN" in startup output. but where to put the up?

i changed "ifconfig_bridge0="inet 10.1.1.113 netmask 255.255.255.0 group bridge group pubnet"" to "ifconfig_bridge0="inet 10.1.1.113 netmask 255.255.255.0 group bridge group pubnet up"" and rebooted but didn't fix it

and also why does vtnet0 get started twice? 2 starting network blocks??

ok weird, i put ifconfig_vtnet0="up" after the ifconfig_bridge0... line and now the 2nd network starting block is gone, and networking is working

ya that was the fix, ridcully tyvm

not sure why i had to manually up vtnet0 just because it was a bridge member when i don't have to if there's no bridge and vtnet0 is the primary if

kerneldove: you might also want to have -arp for vtnet0

ridcully sorry i got d/c, why -arp for vtnet0?

kerneldove: you only want to have arp on the bridge and not on all its parts separately. at least that's how i learned it. maybe it's cargo cult

so wouldn't i wanna put -arp on bridge0 then and not vtnet0?

no, because you want all the parts of the bridge to rely on the bridge itself to handle that

so wouldn't i wanna put -arp on bridge0 then and not vtnet0?

ridcully ^ (sorry i keep getting d/c)

libera webchat is such an unstable pos

then use a proper IRC client?

i looked around but there didn't seem to be any decent quality gui irc clients for *nix

kvirc exists. hexchat exists but is discontinued

quassel?

i use weechat, but that's in a terminal box

MelanieUrsidino, ZoiteChat is the modern maintained fork of HexChat.

I don't mention that, because it's slop.

Ah, is it?

id est - written with AI help.

I might be wrong, but I'd heard there was a fork that was slop

dang

I mean, hypocrisy; freebsd is also slop technically

and I use Linux on my workstation because my GPU broke under HardenedBSD

and I don't want to use mainline FreeBSD for reasons I can't express

is ai code going into freebsd rigorously reviewed?

I have been in contact with the developer, and in ZoiteChat's official channel, and never heard mention of LLM assistance.

then I may be wrong

I hope so.

(writing from ZoiteChat right now)

I get the sense that terminals, and TUIs are a sort of Unix UI Sabir

Sabir?

lingua franca in the Mediterranean basin that ran from around 1200 to 1800 in various iterations. it was never an organized thing

Perhaps, but then I like GTK2 very much. Late 1990 and early 2000s were the paragon of Linux GUI, IMHO.

I am aware there is a slop-aided GTK2 fork...

I Never heard of /that/ Linuga Franka.

Don't know about GTK2, either. But X11 is being quietly abandoned, so I hope XLibre is not slopware: <x11libre.net> .

XLibre isn't much better, really.

I don't know if they use the slop extruder, but I think if they did, their code quality might actually improve...

xlibre can't be any worse than x11 rottware. i'll be switching to it when i update my workstation to 15.x soon

It really can.

well it's still worth supporting so if it ends up being worse i'll just contribute

... apparently they are using claude

hopefully they review anything it craps out

same with freebsd

enric weigelt is not known for producing good code even without the slop machine.

also: fashware is not "worth supporting", don't be a useful idiot.

no they're welcoming to everyone. you're badmouthing ppl from a communist perspective. i reject all authoritarianism, even communism, sorry

ironic use of useful idiot btw

ya i never took the poison injection; feels good

kerneldove has always left a bad taste in my mouth, now I know to add a /filter

nazis did forced medical experiments. so who's the fash now?

likewise. bai

... is their behavior conducive to the desired environment?

didn't take you long to go mask off as an authoritarian. can't respect differences, immediately try to get me banned

typical power mad hateful person

unlike you i can and do respect differences. i'm glad you took those injections :)

For anyone else, Enrico Weigelt rightly got a Linus smackdown for antivax activism, and also rightly got removed from the Xorg project for displaying competence not up to par.

gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/work_items/1797#note_2805680 a much kinder and much more thought out smackdown than any Torvalds could give him...

ant-x is zoitechat working well for you?

kerneldove, worse than HexChat, because of the conversion to GTK3, but mostly well.

usable at least and not a total pile of shit?

No. Looks OK for a very young projecty amid GTK migration.

can't find any doco on the idea that it's slop, i rescind my aviso

ok ty i'll try it ant-x

MelanieUrsidino, If I do learn that it is a slop-containing product, I'll have to abandon it.

for some reason GUI toolkits don't really support high and mixed dpi on X11 while it could work fine since at least 2015 (XRandR 1.5) maybe even before that (qt at least has QT_USE_PHYSICAL_DPI=1 which lets you *opt-in* to proper dpi handling)

FreeBSD itself is in the risk zone: <codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#user-content-bsd-based> .

kerneldove, do visit #zoitechat on Zoite IRC <zoite.net> .

nimaje, I for one simply hate hight-dpi stuff, and would be satisfied with primitive integer upscaling.

ty

why is initamd64 called hammer_time? a sense of humour?

ant-x does zoitechat have a website or code repo somewhere?

kerneldove, yes and yes: <zoitechat.zoite.net> (the repo is linked from the website).

ok thx. was actually tough af to find its website

Dunno, I never tried to find it :-)

MelanieUrsidino: probably because the first microarchitecture implementing amd64 was AMD K8 Hammer

hi guys

I want to ask question.. I don't know if it offtopic it's about hosting & servers in general

is someone here using linode?

well, just ask your question, offtopic is fine here as long as it doen't disrupt ontopic discussions and in channels where it isn't fine you normally get told some other channel where your question probably is ontopic

mosaid: I did use linode for a few years

hosting linux, freebsd and openbsd vms

let me guess, yout ipv6 is not working?

freezmi: how was the pricing on that ?

Hm, firefox and thunderbird disappeared from pkg?

And what is going on with quarterly? Trying to install firefox or thunderbird from there pulls in xlibre??

Ltning, Almost certainly it failed to build in the current build set. You can look on freshports for some status. Digging through the build logs is more tedious.

This is never a problem for people who are upgrading from the previous. If firefox is missing then we just don't get the upgrade at this moment. Eventually it builds and then we have the upgrade.

SponiX: web.archive.org/web/20210211040110/https://www.linode.com/pricing

It's routinely a problem for people doing fresh installs. Since for a fresh install they never had it installed and without it having been in the current build set then it is not available for a pkg install.

Yeah, guessed as much.

That's just a routine info posting that I make because when I came onboard I ran into the same problem.

But since we ship with quarterly enabled by default, it's less likely to break I guess. Problem there is that xlibre is being pulled in, which I *absolutely* do not want

I switched to Hetzner a few months after akamai took over linode

freezmi: isn't akamai an "ad company" ?

its a huge internet backbone afaik

Level1Techs use to recommend Linode years ago

freezmi: why do you have hosting. Is your local internet/hardware not good enough to handle it?

Linode had very friendly support and things just worked correctly

local internet does not allow smtp servers

my local interner is absolutely 1gbit fiber up/down, but has port 25 filtered

/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/.build/dist/include/mozilla/webrender/webrender_ffi_generated.h:6705:53: error: use of undeclared identifier 'COUNT'

Most home residential networking is not suitable for servers. No one will talk SMTP with them due to the PC virus spam problem. Outbound bandwidth for most of them are a fraction of inbound and it is the outbound that is needed for a server. Most residential licensing forbids public servers since the network is not robust enough for it.

well, "forbids"...

I have also hosted at Linode for years and years. They have been good. Akamai bought them and have been slowly pulling them into the Akamai corporation. Time will tell if this breaks things there or not.

Linode is about the best of the hosting providers that police their network from spammers and scammers keeping their ASNs off of the block lists. Other providers such as Digital Ocean don't do that and are scorched earth if you try to run a mail server because they are blocked by everyone else.

Yeah, I am lucky... I have 1Gbps both directions without any restrictions/filters/caps. But even with this, I'd rather not run a mail server just because they are a pain in the ass. And as mentioned, most of the time other mail servers don't want to talk to a residential IP

plus residential IPs have dynamic IPv4/IPv6 allocation, not what you want for a server

Yeah, I'm lucky there too. My ISP always hands out the same IP based on my MAC address. So even though in theory it is dynamic, I have my domain pointed to that IP it always gives me

If I do need to change, I just publish a different MAC to them

Ho, I would like ask - I try to mount zfs partition in FreeBSD Live CD single user mode, but I have some rather absurd problem related to creating directiories in the "read only filesystem". i can't create dir in /mnt, as well as in /tmp. It complains that file system is read only. Also, I can't just do:

zpool import -o altroot=/media zroot

It will not work because of the same reason, it complains that filesystem is read only. Thanks

*Hi

`Ok I figured it out... Heck, it's here forums.freebsd.org/threads/mounting…-hard-disk-as-rw-from-live-cd.49343, I had to run fsck, and the in started working. Don't understand what happened. I just created tahat Live CD yesterday and it is somewhat corrupted.....

rwp: depends where you are, depends on yr isp. i have a /29 ipv4 and /48 ipv6 and no blocking of any ports apart from the usual 137/8/9

scratch that last part. 137/8/9 aren't blocked

congrat

f451, Most residential addresses are blocked by ISP policy. You can tell if that is so by looking to see if the address is listed in the Spamhaus DUL (dial up list, originally when things were dial up). If so then most mail servers won't accept mail from you. If not then you are good to go.

I think it is now the policy block list PBL with that same data now.

if I ran an ISP I would normally block 25 outbound, but not list my dialups on DULs unless I couldn't block 25 outbound - and I would make sure that those who have a mail server on a network where I'm blocking can be unblocked upon demonstration of technical competency. but that's just me being silly and strange and fantasising

Most VPS hosting vendors block port 25 outbound by default until you post a ticket asking for it to be allowed through and interact with them promising that you are not a spammer. That's the normal situation these days. And a good thing too.

It's not a problem to get unblocked if you are acting in good faith. And for most of my servers I don't need to have it unblocked. I tunnel mail out to my main mail server and never need to unblock it. This provides an additional security layer in case there is a breach.

I got disconnected then ended up in #freebsd-irc instead of getting here. what is this sorcery?

last time I used irc 20+ years ago this was not a thing

I am just learning about net-mgmt/victoria-logs and net-mgmt/victoria-metrics ... might be fun to implement and use.

rwp: spamhaus says "no issues" :D

dvl: It's been a couple of years since I've looked at that one.

i think mines not "residential" though, even though it's my home

heston76: So you only looked and did not implement.

azure started blocking port 25 outbound on their service wuite a while ago

Yeah, did not implement.

I used and abandon elasticsearch years ago. Too easily broken for home use. This sounds promising though.

Then I looked at Graylog, but could never get it working on FreeBSD. Next, may be Victoria.

TIL drush in ports is 8.4.12 drush themselves say the lowest version to upgrade drupal 10.1.x to 10.2.y needs drush 12.4.3 or over, bah

Guys I will tell you, that ZFS is really difficult. It's supposed to be for the Sysadmin guys and for servers, not for "ordinary" people which just want to have things running properly on homeemade server. I'm disappointed how a new FreeBSD user is being pushed towards ZFS, it looks to me that even doc is simply not ready for it.

dvl: Not sure if net-mgmt/netxms would be useful to you

and also drush since 12.x can't be centrally installed

heston76: I specifically want central logs. That seem more like metrics for performance, not logs.

freezmi: freebsd-irc is where you end up if you're not currently registered

JurassCZ I feel your pain. you can still use UFS2. it's perfectly adequate, and uses less RAM

mason: thanks, I just set up liberachat SASL for this

I also feel that ZFS is overcomplicated, and I was a sysadmin for a few decades

freezmi: It's got a lot of stuff, but its core operation isn't bad.

easy to whip out a ssd

it gets complicated quickly when shit hits the fan. sure the snapshots before upgrades are a nice feature

ZFS on root is more of a chore on Linux, but for FreeBSD it seems pretty effortless.

it is effortless but what happens if the .ko breaks, something like that

frezmi: UFS seems fine. Funny that I have wen to try FreeBSD because of the Linux LVM. I was thinking "maybe FreeBSD is doing it more simple way". Well, not it isn't simplier at all. It could be, if new user wouldn't be pushed towards ZFS.

Well, then you boot from the snapshot the upgrade took I guess.

also when zfs itself gets upgraded theres the whole bootblocks thing i dont have to think about

I've never had that happen despite using ZFS on FreeBSD for a long time, but I can imagine it. Wouldn't be hard to fix.

Installing fresh bootblocks is something to checklist, yes.

dvl: Gotcha, saw metrics and had the wront mindset, until I reviewed pkg-descr

wasy to forget esp if the server is like 1000 km away

f451: If your server is far away, then you've got a remote console.

yeah but it's easy relatively to get the other end to swap out a ssd

ufs for os, zfs for data. church and state!

The only thing I'm adding is 'device sa' in the kernel config. github.com/supaplextor/tech-bucket/…15/mountroot.md#kernel-config-tape3 How did rootfs work in GENERIC but not TAPE3? Seems I can pick one. :-/

i always write iso to usb for installing, is there actually a difference between iso and img?

elivoncoder, not a practical one. Most modern systems can boot from normal storage just fine no matter if that's an internal drive or an USB stick. the ISO however is in the ISO joliet9660 format. Some old and buggy bioses only boot from actual CD or that format even if they say day can boot from USB. So putting such an image onto an USB stick

makes it look like a cd drive. At least that's how I understand the difference. Since then it's just convention.

ah thanks ozy

were there some changes to cp behavior recently? hard to imagine for such an ancient util but wanna confirm