I have an old laptop, which I want to use BSDs on because I've come to inherently hate Linux's mess. This might be a weird place to ask this but, I did try OpenBSD, however on the laptop Xenocara had some slight stuttering, and video rendering doesn't even work as glamor on this laptop (thinkpad x200) feels like ass, the whole rendering feels ass, and I don't want to switch to Linux for using Xlibre

perhaps because I think its a display issue, should I perhaps go for FreeBSD and Xlibre on it, is Xlibre officially supported?

broke: There's xlibre stuff in ports.

ok thanks, anyways I think people might frown at this, I really wanted to ask this on #openbsd, but people there are kind of like "your hardware sucks"

I tried Void glibc, (Linux) with Xlibre on this, and it was smoother than I expected, I tried getting that smoothness in OpenBSD, ultimately I think its probably because of mesa. I thought it is a Xenocara problem, So I ended up here, because this is the most popular BSD.

15.1-STABLE is out

wow.. x200.. that's ancient. They should have tried NetBSD on it. :D

15.1-STABLE? Does that include working drm-kmod?

You meant the releng/15.1 branch?

Does anyone know why the qbittorrent-nox (nox == No X11) package pulls in all of Xorg and wayland, totalling 3GB of deps?

Defenso-QTH: stable/15 went 15.1-STABLE

Defenso-QTH: what is your QTH locator ?

boru: it still pulls in qt6-base which pulls in X and wayland if you haven't disabled that, looking at what the port does, naming that flavor web instead seems like a better idea to me

Yeah, I'd agree on that score. I'd have thought the port would be built without it as a default. Not to worry, I can figure something else out.

Hrm, drm-66-kmod won't build on stable-15 as of last night, and drm-69-kmod gives funky colors on i915 (framework 13th gen 13"). Anyone got ideas?

And building latest head of drm-kmod gives "error: unknown warning option '-Wno-default-const-init-var-unsafe' [-Werror,-Wunknown-warning-option]"

hello, all

on FreeBSD-15 tried to install Iridium Browser with 'pkg install iridium-browser', got 'All repositories are up to date. pkg: No packages available to install matching 'iridium-browser' have been found in the repositories'. was it removed from official repositories?

hi, maybe it's not in the repo yet, try 'pkg search iridium'

@nxjoseph tried, no luck.that command is right from FreeBSD Handbook (docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/desktop/index.html). also Iridium port folder (cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/www/iridium-browser) empty for some reason. what might happen?

it's not empty for me, the port exists. just not in the package repository for some reason, idk

pkgname is not always portname, the port is at www/iridium

oh yeah

as fallout doesn't have anything on it, maybe one of its many dependencies failed to build

nimaje should I use 'pkg install www/iridium' then? it reports the same issue 'All repositories are up to date. pkg: No packages available to install matching 'www/iridium' have been found in the repositories'

i would use 'pkg search' first to be sure of the name and to see if it's actually available. Yes, it could be it what nimaje said.

there is also freshports.org which shows useful information about ports

nxjoseph I've tried that, nothing, empty output

yes i know, the package is not available at this time then

nxjoseph thank you for a tip

you're welcome :)

seems to be ignored as blacklisted pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy23/buil…150amd64-default&build=14bd0e320b77 not sure why, maybe that poor quality port Makefile or it is to resource intensive to build as it is a chromium fork

I set up a freebsd machine for the first time a couple of days ago. 15.0-RELEASE minimal netinst. I set a password for root and a user. And that is *all* I did, full stop, related to users, authentication, ssh, etc. I am no longer on site. Now I am having trouble logging in remotely as root.

ssh as root isn't enabled by default. Ok. I guess I can't use `su - root` unless my user in already in the wheel group?? Is that right? So, I have the root password. 99.9% sure I have the correct password. I also tried "login" and it did prompt me for a username/password but I wasn't able to log in as root.

What are my options here other than going back on site?

you can use su - root

is your user definitely in the wheel group?

if you have remote hands/eyes (e.g. kvm, ipmi, drac, etc.) you could use that and locally login as root, otherwise ssh as the user you created and su -

sebboh, I have made that mistake of forgetting to put rwp into the wheel group before myself. The only rescue is to log into the console. Or reinstall.

scoobybejesus, no, my user is not in the wheel group. rwp, ah, that's what I figured, just wanted to confirm. I'll go touch the console. wcarson, haha, those remote solutions would be cool. Alas, this thing is in an old desktop case that I used bandiron on to add extra fans to. Remove kvm was not on the shopping list. :)

This validation is overly strict and rejects Windows

paths.

You know…

s/Remove/Remote/

sebboh, Not being in the wheel group is a practical block to having root access. No way around it. The default sshd config is PermitRootLogin=no. So you can't log in over ssh as root. And you can't su to root. The only root access left is root logging into the system console. Or reinstall.

No prob! I'll go on-site. Question.. Why didn't logging in as the user and then executing /usr/bin/login work? I had tried that, too. Just curious.

can freebsd read openbsd ffs2 drives?

sebboh, Logging in as a user and using /usr/bin/login is blocked by not being in the wheel group.

That security restriction that the user must be in the wheel group to gain root access is not simply an su restriction. Otherwise as you thought about someone would use another method. Use /bin/login to get there. Use sudo. Use doas. Use something else. If any of those could be used then it wouldn't really be a restriction.

morpho, As I recall there us a fuse userland way to mount ffs2 drives. Search for that and I am confident you will find documentation on it.

rwp: i see, i wondered if it was the same as fbsd ffs

rwp, makes sense, thanks!

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Hi

FreeBSD 15.1-STABLE looks fine

Why should i use FreeBSD tell us?

Hi

hello lbo462

are you a FreeBSD user ?

lun01: I am not any LLM, will not tell

You need to tell user why they should use FreeBSD

it seems weird to come into a freebsd channel and then start demanding people tell you why to use it. You came here, so presumably you're interested in it

lun01 is LLM bot

oh

?

it's obvious and 100% clear

I'm asking why should i use freebsd? Does industries support it?

lun01: freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd

I'M 100% biological human.

cool, are you going to give it a try lun01 ?

I have used in past, but not sure how would it add value to me.

it's hard to answer, probably it will only take your tiem

time

My usual response to open-ended questions like that is "you shouldn't use it" or "you might be better with your current setup". Switching OS for switching's sake, without a purpose in mind (not even for fun), is not likely to end up well.

ok

mzar: I freshly installed it, trying for the first time

I suppose you are a FreeBSD user yourself

Are you not?

sure, I am

mzar: How long have you been one?

since 1997 or 1998

have you tried other OS since?

sure

What made you stay? Is it habit?

could be, I got used to FreeBSD

FreeBSD is an OS!

now i wanna install it on my main computer again

but it's so comfy rn

i'll just keep it on my server :)

Does it pay you $ to run?

yes, I use it at work, so it's beneficial

what type of work it do?

FreeBSD can do a lot of work, pretty much any kind of work

Can it make me a coffee? I definitely need one rn

tbqh despite the endless debates online freebsd and linux aren't really that different.

you can do just about anything with either one

i prefer freebsd for constrained systems with lower memory, as modern linux is quite heavy

i don't buy the security or "cohesiveness" arguments. FreeBSD is a solid OS choice with lots of tradeoffs vs linux. It's better in some ways and worse in others. Ultimately if you're on this channel asking about "why should I run freebsd" then you need to do your own research

Maybe asking here is part of that research. I am sure some people here can redirect to good ressources online

For my part, I just installed it because I think it will be lots of fun

very good choice !

i think generally there are two types of bsd users. There are people for whom tinkering with the system is the whole point, and the people who view it as merely a vehicle to get other stuff done. I'm firmly in the latter. I just want a system to get out of my way and get things accomplished

People in the first camp really seem to enjoy all the bsds for different reasons

opcode I dunno I found gpu transcoding a lot more difficult. And that actually used Linux stuff to do it in fbsd heh.

Macer: yeah for sure, like I said previously fbsd does some things really well, and other things not so much.

and the important thing is that that's okay

Well I mean I don’t think that was really a fbsd “thing” it just needed to use a lib6 shim which was awkward and turned into scripting ffmpeg to ffmpeg. Heh.

It would be nice if that sort of thing was native but…

What makes me keep using FreeBSD is ZFS integration in general, pf, and the fact that it's more likely to be supported by VPS providers compared to other non-mainstream operating systems.

And to a lesser extent, the fact that it's not Linux, to not have all my eggs in the same basket when something happens (e.g. CVE-2026-31431). But this is not specific to FreeBSD.

Linux is different. If it wasn't, I would use it.

Linux has the edge when it comes to GPU support. Agreed. This kinda sucks. I'd love to be able to run local models on FreeBSD.