^ jack-sparrow sounds interesting, anybody got an instance?

I have an instance of the Eggdrop bot on another network, but I never learned to use it with Lua.

ant-x: what is Eggdrop ?

An IRC bot.

/The/ IRC bot: <eggheads.org/download> .

jack-sparrow, your games seems in an early stage of development, so I think I have some time to learn how to run it on IRC.

is it trivial to retrofit BE onto an old installation? is it enough to move the things mounted under / around into a $zroot/ROOT/default dataset?

I had eggdrop soup once.

rtj, Is it the advanced, cutting-edge fork of eggdrop, as Claws of Sylpheed is the advanced fork of Sylpheed?

Ah, it should be spoon, nor fork. Beg pardon.

ridcully_: yes, I've done this a lot. TLDR clone your existing / into zroot/ROOT/default *and* set it to canmount=noauto mountpoint=/

then you can shuffle the rest around (like zroot/var/* ) without isues

you can use a zpool checkpoint to make sure you can roll back in case of issues

just remember to remove it after the upgrade

dch: cool, thank you!

is there a `pkg tree` type command that shows which port pulled which dependency in?

aah `pkg info -r` and `pkg info -d`

good enough

dch: I use pkg query to build a dot graph sometimes 0x0.st/Hi8q.sh

nimaje: ok that is what I wanted :-)

nice

and you can pipe that into dot I guess?

yes exactly

(its a bit unfortunate that they named the syntax and a renderer dot)

out of curiosity: what do you use to backup your ZFS filesystems ? is a send/recv-like tool (sanoid/syncoid, zrepl, ...) sufficient for a good backup strategy? (I'm currently running Bacula but it lacks a snapshot management feature..)

well, I would like some interactive dot viewer to focus on subgraphs, like all (transitive)dependencies of some package or the reverse dependencies, but rendering to svg and viewing that in a web browser works ok

mage wrt backups, for critical stuff (where the govt will take me to court) I use tarsnap, also for /etc/* and similar files per server. lots of zfs send/recv, and I pipe it into restic

dch: awesome write up thank you.

yw

dch: what's the added value of restic in case of ZFS snapshots?

also, unless I missed something, you send the whole zfs dataset each time to Restic

To me Restic looks like a modern alternative to Bacula, but it doesn't play well with ZFS.. as Bacula

mage: restic is off site storage for me

and I zfs send the whole dataset because it makes restoring very easy, and these datasets are not particularly large (under 1TB)

restic does the dedupe so it doesnt incur additional storage

bacula requires a lot more moving parts, and I don't need that yet

ok my datasets are larger, and I would prefer to snapshot every 15 min and duplicate remotely

I solved my iocage jail problem by creating a new jail, installing all the required packages, copying the relevant data over, renaming the old jail and naming the new jail with the original name of the old one. Problem solved

vortexx: what was the issue you were having before? Not that I'm using iocage, but still curious about it.

mns: made the mistake of typing ctrl-c into the wrong tmux pane and interrupted iocage update $jailname

and then it wouldn't restart, just throwing "exec_poststart failed: script non-executable"

which was... beyond my patience to debug

I tried iocage rollback $jailname and that didn't help

Aymeric (FreeBSD src committer) at FOSDEM asked: "How does it feel to be doing a OpenBSD talk using FreeBSD"

I see nothing wrong with it (it was meant as a joke) :p

now that's some solid proper heckling

=-p

What Aymeric should be worrying about is when the fuck hes going to join IRC >:)

I spoke to him about it at EuroBSDCon 2025, offered him a bouncer account on my server, he wanted to setup his own, skip forward to Feb, still no sign of him :)

stefano has been beneficial for supporting IRC though, I have other plans for this year >:)

"He wanted to set up his own" - yes, but until then...

wavefunction: until then hes on Discord

disgusting I know

I can't join discord while at work. :-( IRC and such are fine, but I don't even do bitlbee bridging or anything

<ssh tunnels for the win>

My google-fu is failing me today. How does one set up a CLI copy of *BSD using bhyve and/or qemu :(

can you describe more what you want to do? create a freebsd VM without using any GUI or TUI?

good morning nerds

i seem to be thinking of things

i hate thinking of things

Does anyone use Brave browser? I'm using it on Linux and the save dialogue is not popping up and I don't have xdg-desktop-portal congured. I heard that freebsd doesn't use that. I'm wondering how freebsd does it and if it would work on linux.

"configured"

don't use brave

it's bad

rtprio, I agree, but that's not helpful

blinux, my understanding is that desktop portal programmes are available in the package repositories; try installing one and then relogging.

Oh, let me clarify. All chromium based browsers are effected by this. I should have said that.

Or at least google-chrome and chromium which I also tested. I didn't test edge and Vivaldi may not be effected.

My comment should apply to all UNIX systems where desktop portals even exist.

I am trying to figure out if you use google-chrome and don't have desktop portal installed and it works on FreeBSD and how it works.

hello

Also, another problem which may be related is I right click on the tab and let go and it automatically selects the first option to create new tab. It doesn't do this when I have a desktop environment installed though. Only does it with a pure window manager.

nimaje: Sorry for the delay -- looking to set up a vm on my headless home-server to have shell/console only access to. Just want to be able to poke around and do stupid stuff with openbsd/netbsd/linux whatever

Probably not all that helpful of a description :/

and you don't want to access it via VNC over the local network?

sorry no idea about that serial console stuff you likely have to use then

nimaje: Nope, no vnc. Just ... console / ssh / whatever textual options there are. I'm not a gui guy

this is already how I access my Bhyve VMs

you can just leave the graphical stuff disabled

hodapp: Alright, is there a dumb-guy-walkthrough doc?

wavefunction: I did it myself with github.com/churchers/vm-bhyve

hodapp: Thanks!

good luck

and btw: whatever OS you're putting in there, be aware you may need something like console=ttyS0 to get console when doing things like "vm install -f" or "vm start -f"

ack

I really need to figure out why wg breaks freebsd jails

I cant use my jails on public wifi as I use wireguard

I usually use wireguard always on anyways, but I need to write some scripts to detect a captive portal and then to add a pf rule to allow passing packets on the local subnet the router gives, load the captive portal with say firefox (a terminal client could even work) user does the captive portal and then pf rule is dropped to tunnel everything

Anyone run FreeBSD on a T480? Docs say it works great, any foibles to be aware of?

i think there's a page on the wiki with details

In particular, how is it with GPU switching (optimus type things)

wiki.freebsd.org, search for t480

Yeah I read that

Just wondered if anyone wanted to chime in "yeah I run it on mine, works spectacularly"

polarian: if you come up with a more specific diagnosis, i might be able to help

('wg breaks freebsd jails' is just a bit broad since that's not generally true as written)

kevans: I reported this errr

a year ago now?

to the pf mailing list, it never was responded to

I put it to freebsd-questions

same thing

was ignored

I thought I "fixed it"

until more recently when it happened again

I was told to put it onto bugzilla, but im really lazy and yeah :p

I will try and find it for you tomorrow, I just got back from a job which was straight after I got back from Brussels (FOSDEM) and I havent slept more than 2 hours since Thursday last week :/

thanksk

i don't think i'm subscribed to the pf mailing list, and i largely ignore -questions