dont use brave

better to think twice before usingit, but yea i'm biased to think it's malware

kerneldove_: i never had to do anything to get my ix devices to work

they just worked out hte box

what i'm curious about is fbsd arc (a310) support

freebsd/drm-kmod #364 ☹️

got ix working out of the box, tyvm

10gbps of sultry bandwidth yess

ibb.co/album/Kb5fLX <-- okay let's see if this works. first time baking a cake, had to improvise a lot, recipe looked insane but i guess we'll see

I don't hear much about browsers outside of Chrom{e,ium} and Firefox. What's wrong with Brave?

TommyC: a lot of people dislike it because of its association with cryptocurrency

Brave is Chromium

TommyC: also because it was founded by Brandon Eich, a famous homophobe

Brendan

ah, lotsa controversies around it I see

Vivaldi (a Chrome reskin, but with a fair amount of custom UI work) seems quite popular, but it's closed source and there's no freebsd version

firefox esr is all that is needed :)

reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22603 <- i wanted to see if this was possible just to see if i could use rsat in it

i doubt the ad bits are in it though

Macer: why ESR over latest, out of curiosity?

JetpackJackson: bullshit gets merged into it slower

means your configs do not need to be updated as often

Oh

also less features == less places for code to be attacked

and new code is what is easiest to attack

so there are security benefits

to not always taking the latest features

new code isn't necessarily easier to attack by virtue of being new

code does not age, it is changed

LXGHTNXNG: new code has not had as many eyes on it, furthermore it has not existed for as long. A new feature is more likely to have vulnerable code over code which has been looked over and patched for many many years...

i don't know if that's really true. code that comes from 4BSD might not have been looked at for years and was developed before modern security context

like, how long have we had rtsold? did that come from KAME?

ivy: we are talking about browsers here

many of the changes made are features, not security improvements

also I didnt say old code is secure, legacy crypto is a big issue

legacy features which are not patched or maintained

all have their own security concerns

but comparing firefox and firefox esr which have the same underlying code but one has the latest features and one doesn't, I would trust the one without the new features

if there is a vuln in legacy code, it will likely be in both firefox versions

in which case... shit :)

old or new code is not *inherently* less or more secure, it's less or more secure because of the literal nature of the code. code written in a time when networks could be trusted is more likely to be insecure because of the inherent trust that one won't put something malicious in it.

not because it's old. it was insecure then and it's insecure now

Hello, all. Does not FreeBSD have strace? What can I use instead?

ant-x: truss(1), ktrace(1)

hi, everyone. I wish you happy christmas and a better new year!

ivy, thanks.

clapont, well seasoned-greating to you and all.

* greatings

* greetings

yep, I prefer the last, thanks :-)

ktrace to truss :-)

ivy, which package provides the truss utility? ``pkg install truss'' on 14.3 complains that there is not such package.

FreeBSD-utilities

Is it available via pkg in 14.3? I can't find it.

it's part of base it should already be there you don't need to install it.

valid.

what causes state-insert (failures) in the output of pfctl -si? (state-insert state insertion failure)

ivy: well the security bug is in resolvconf, rtsol only gives attackers an attack vector for it

so weird im using freebsd15 (happened with 14 too) guest, linux host. terminal only. when exiting vm i often get stuck in this weird purgatory that i dont even know how to get out of

looks like this: pastebin.com/BnLLifSq

dogg0: You're stuck in vi?

its ben happening alot only in this particular circumstance... i end up mashing keys and somestimes come out of it or reset

freebsd on bare metal or any other os as guest it never hahpens

If I want to fully encrypt the discs of my server, I want to use geli instead of gdbe, right? Also is there a way to enter the passphrase via ssh during boot? I have seen setups for this on some linux servers and wonder if those are individual solutions or if there's something like that already integrated :-)

dogg0, I don't understand. Is it inside the vi editor? Try: ESC : q ! (four keys in sequence)

vkarlsen, /Stuck in Mobile/ -- /Stuck in vi/

dogg0, as to how you can have got into vi -- it may be your default $EDITOR.

dogg0, how exactly did you cope that text to pastebin? Is it literally what you see in the terminal?

Usually, vi displays special characters with a ^ prefix, so that REG is ^M

* RET

ive been using vi for years. but his happens only with freebsd guest in qemu. and yes thats literally what i see in the terminal. i just highlight iwth mouse and paste here

sounds like your terminal is not entirely functional

what's $TERM ?

xterm-256color ?

idk im using everyting just ootb

My terminal is frequently broken in FreeBSD, but I never cared to establish a stable reproduction scenario.

I feel totally disoriented in my shell: <paste.c-net.org/ShermanJudgment> . Where am I?

ant-x: you likely removed the directory you are in (ad1), easy to reproduce

Ah. Thanks. I did not mean that as an instance of a broken terminal though. A broken terminal is a situation where I cannot type normally.

ant-x: is this a quiz or did you make a broken symlink on purpose?

I did not make a symlink!

Nor is this a quiz.

looks like the directory was removed elsewhere while you were still in it

I got this in the middle of trying to trace why svn hangs at checkout with ktrace and truss.

rtprio, this is possible.

rtprio, I have read and accepted your suggestion earlier.

ant-x: Stuck in the middle with vi

vkarlsen, I was tyring to joke about this and the Bob Dylan song.

ant-x: and the best rednition of that song, with pop culture, is reservior dogs

I dislike Bob Dylan and that song, but I love the movie!

ant-x: I followed up with Stealers Wheel