wipt: what version? what panic

are you sure your disks are ok

anyone know why server ram prices have tripled and wtf?

kerneldove_: slop generation

by slop you mean ai?

yes

fuckers

atleast ai makes search engines actually good

by stealing information and presenting it as its own. Well …

SomeVisitor: that's a based statement

hi, sh scripting question

what does this line expected to do? ': ${resolvconf_enable="YES"}'

not understood the behavior of ":"

if this assumes some kind of default value - this had 0 effect in sh -c ': ${resolvconf_enable="YES"}; echo $resolvconf_enable;'

nerozero: `:` can be used to fill an empty then-branch with if e.g.

I had similar feelings, but it has 0 effect while testing in sh -c ...

i think this is somewhat of a no-op allowed allowed char

somevar="" sh -c ': ${somevar}="abc"}; echo $somevar;' - empty

somevar="blabla" sh -c ': ${somevar}="abc"}; echo $somevar;' -> "blabla" ...

yes, this looks like a no-op to me

`:` is something like `true` - it behaves like a command

sh -c ': ${somevar}="abc"}; echo $somevar;' - empty ....

and i guess it eats or ignores the arguments?

ah this is something like test ?

but there is [] option ..

it is on line 315 in `/sbin/dhclient-script`

it follows the "case $reason in"

nerozero: somevar="" SETS somevar to empty value; that construct would only work if somevar was not set at all

cyric, so this assumes that statement `:{var="defaultvalue"}` ?

if variable not defined nor empty - its set to the default value right ?

yes, set to defaultvalue iff variable was not set at all

i wonder how well newer thinkpad will work with fbsd now

ketas: as long as you stick with conventional hardware

things should be fine

black2: the hell is unconventional hw?

ketas: imo things like touch-screen display

i'm impressed that dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd still works

and radio modems that require special drivers

oh yeah, that hw

don't you get both working somehow tho?

esp the modem

wifi would have issues too :p

rtprio: newest release, 14.3R

ketas: you can't be sure. you don't want to have a laptop at hand that doesn't work with the hardware

Koston: I had the assumption, but I haven't checked.

to ba on the safe side, prefer older models and generic hardware

a touch one is rare in secondhand anyway

tho cool

they trying to get the customers impressed with very stunning designs

but usually that device doesn't last very long

some t should still be ok

:-(

it could break anyway

lol, stupidest error i just heard of laptop going bust is, didn't charge suddenly, so owner took usb c off and plugged back, immediately smoke and machine gone

the best choices out there imo are the rugged laptops that I assume can work for 10 years plus.

well there's no exact need for those i guess

durability

what where those metal briefcase panasonics

saw one

yes but

they have hot-pluggable batteries so...

Koston: I should check, might make sense why I was having issues with getting the encryption to work

My last newest machine was a rooted chromebook. $30 something on ebay, essentially a disposable machine.

wipt: yeah. these are very nice deals. if you have termux installed it's basically a working GNU/Linux machine

that's bit weird hw and low perf last time i checked

but yeah

those are nice too

extra-long battery life is an advantage

14 hr+

yeah

those were all arms?

black2: docs.mrchromebox.tech changed the firmware/bios

well a few made by acer and samsung I believe are intel-based ketas

ketas: most are x86

wipt: that's better. if you can get it rooted and flashed with what you want.

just have to steer clear of the really low performance ones.

I'm very new to FreeBSD and have been spinning my wheels trying to get bluetooth to headphones working for several weeks. I've googled around for tutorials, but nothing has worked. The lasest tuturial I'm trying to follow is the first post in this conversation: forums.freebsd.org/threads/bluetoot…uetooth-headphones-on-freebsd.82671 Everything works fine until I go to start the

Bluetooth stack ubt0 twice. It fails both times. Please HELP!!!

wipt: yeah but honestly if you just do text-editing and no compilation tasks most models'd suffice

I already have an old netbook, wanted something for AV1 codec video for family videos

I will be more than happy to pastebin any info you want to look at.

ke8cqc: doesn't hurt to pastebin and maybe someone will see it in a few hours?

wipt: What command would you like me to pastebin?

... or contents of what file???

unsure where to point for the next bt audio user

i'm surprised it works at all :p

ke8cqc: I've never touched BT on BSD, took me some time to get it to work under linux...

Is FreeBSD bt like Linux bt?

wipt: BT for headsets doesn't work in Linux. It only works for file transferring.

ke8cqc: I've been able to pair audio

did it work?

well obviously it works on something

wipt: ... on which OS???

yeah. Just a pain on a dual boot machine, after you pair in in windows, and move to linux, you have to reset the headphones.

Honestly, I can live without the audio part. I would at least like to get it working for file transfers between this machine, my other lappy, phone, and tablet.

My daughter is watching a movie with a BT speaker being driven from a Debian Linux machine right now. Works fine.

I haven't run Debian in years.

apart from few more t60's i could hack up working, i guess maybe ~200€ t4xx something is good, you have to find best batt/cpu/ram/condition combination

The only way that would happen on this machine is if I installed Debian in Virtualbox... and I'm not sure if that would work.

It's been decent for a desktop. I ran BSD on the desktop when I was younger, I was a bit of a masochist

are you still

i mean who said you need to have only one os :p

FBSD for my servers, ZFS to samba shares for everything else in the house.

a nice wipthouse

I'll try back later after my Buckeyes spank some Nittany Lions and send them back to Happy Valley with their tails between their legs.

i feel kind of sad, i got n.o.s. t60 and i like used it up apparently

lasted over 10y :p

i mean..,

one fucked up thing i found was that screen hinges seize up on them

in one i managed to break part of frame

still haven't taken it apart

but at least i know what force it takes

from what i did read later, apparently dust enters the stickgrease surfaces in hinges and you can't "work it" loose, gets worse even, and if you try to clean and lube it as obvious solution, it gets too loose

and new one has cost of entire machine value :p

ke8cqc │ wipt: BT for headsets doesn't work in Linux. ← I've been using BT-Headsets on Linux for years now …

i guess it's - varies

stable/15 branch needs cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=e4f…350955406ffd58dd3f0bb7610df0f36d647 backported, otherwise buildworld fails on pkg as described in commit message.

angry_vincent: i'm sure it will be, it was only committed to main this morning. Ed doesn't usually include MFC after in his commit messages, even when he plans to MFC something

ok. no problem

any way to get my fn keys working on this x1 carbon? i've tried loading acpi_ibm but not sure what else to try.

(they're not getting through with `wev` so it doesn't matter right now how they're mapped)

ivy: funniest commits say mfc after 3 minutes

:p

ketas: that's pretty common during a release cycle since the point of the commit is to fix the stable build

i often use MFC after: 3 seconds

not mfc instantly?

:p

immediately or so

most people can't stage a cherry-pick for an immediate mfc, there's clearly always some latency :-)

odds are ~one second is the lowest you can manage, since the first push has to succeed to be certain that the MFC commit's cherry-pick annotation doesn't end up with a hash that the remote rejects

silicon brains can do it

wait, git hashes are actually calculated from real data?

i had to look

yes

if you lose the push-race, you have to rebase: new parent hash changes the hash of your own

o/` if you lose the push-race, you have to rebase o/`

docs and translations are the entering wedge

what is 'the wedge' ?

who was wedgied

so yeah i assumed git commit id is head -c 1024 /dev/urandom | sha1

:/

yep

rtprio, The way the AI maximalists get in.

Was some sort of IP filtering put on the pkg.freebsd.org site? For three days now I'm intermittently denied access to one or all of ports, base, and kmods. I can see this when pkg update fails, but also if I manually browse to the web site, I get 403 errors that correlate to the pkg update failures.

I saw some else mention it here, and a few on Mastodon, so I'm confident it's not just me.

For example, right now, on my laptop in on public wifi, I can browse pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/quarterly

On my server at home, I get a 403

but on that same server, on the same base url, /base_release_0/ works just fine

something seems wonky

will 15 be ready on time? only a month left

kerneldove_: time is a construct

rtprio: is the looming release a-series or b-series?