holly crap DDR4 server memory has gone through the roof

why?

what happened

some sort of spare parts bin explosion?

what's happened?

prices more than doubles in the last week

ivy: do you mean literally that some warehouse caught on fire and wiped out a substantial part of world supply of memory?

seti_: no, i was just wondering what sort of event would cause memory to go through the roof

i see i see

prep for black friday, so we can be offered substantial reductions lmao

calling malloc too often (or with a size that is too big)

missed the beginning so I didn't see if this is userland or kernel

paulf: the conversation was about the price of memory rather than its usage :-)

well in that case it's probably just the usual semiconductor cycle

new node comes out, prices rocket until fabs switch to that node and then there is a glut and prices fall until the next node ...

and how would that 'cycle' be?

about every 3 years

it's not like ddr4 is the new hotness

no but the 2nm node will be

I'm trying to install mozilla syncserver, but (of course) it fails to build the rust crate "grpcio-sys".

Is there an easy(?) way to find ports that may be pulling in the same crate, so I can figure out what those are doing to make it build?

Ltning: i only see py-grpcio related ports, no crates :\

can freebsd run ollama and large language models and all on gpu?

response from gpt-oss: No – there is no supported way to run Ollama on FreeBSD with GPU acceleration.

i like gentoo too.. but somehow like freebsd too.. can i asc why you specialy use freebsd and why not gentoo if is so customizable?

iRobbery

thaks

thanks

I use freebsd because its not such a mess as linux is, no systemd, MIT license, ports system, zfs native, ipfw firewall, and more if i really will think about it

i use openrc

my gentoo is special

use like nothing of memory

gentoo users are special ;)

here are packages of one server, they use target x86_64 so is for all computers prepared...: gentoobins.grandekos.com ... :)

i like to make a team.. like we was when we was jung.. on ircnet.. similar but with more responsability.. anyone like to think and join and work on projects? programming? msg me.. ***

even electronics are our projects.. drones printers similar

ivy: misordering also messes up dtb package creation i saw

ketas: i've never seen that and i build for arm64 fairly regularly, could you file a PR with logs etc?

i did put it to current ml once, had to run make packages twice to get a dtb package... unless this is 13 make that misorders this, it's bug... and i don't see .order for that either

:/

me or bug?

i have no idea, this is why i asked to see the logs :-)

although if it only affects freebsd 13, that's pretty low priority for pkgbase issues

as a build host, i was building 16

logs at lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2025-September/008958.html

.ORDER: create-kernel-packages-flavor${flavor:C,^""$,${_default_flavor},} create-dtb-package

?

i never tried

ketas: this should be working fine, there's already a .ORDER to run stage-packages (which installs dtb) before create-packages. i need to leave in a minute but i'll see if i can reproduce it later

hmm

yeah

"i also noticed "buildworld buildkernel installworld installkernel distribution" installs world before building kerne"

cursed anyway

maybe i should check how much make changes

does it ever change?

make itself does that?

:/

any ideas why "pkg update" inside 13.5 jail on a 14.3 host would Segfault

I thought as long as your host is newer kernel than the jail there should be "No Problems"(TM)

does pkg-static update also segfault?

anyone running wayland/x11 in qemu =

Anyone able to assist with this? My FreeBSD server can't hit jailed items from their public IPs. For example: I have traefik running in a jail and have all requests on 80 or 443 sent to it. From there, it distributes to other jails. I have keycloak running in a jail and gitea running in another. Keycloak is accessible from my local machine at sso.domain.tld, but gitea can't connect to

sso.domain.tld, and neither can the host machine. Any ideas on how I might resolve this?

check the resolver from within the jail first

divlamir: resolves fine

phlux: and they're different public IPs?

ah I see. Inside jail: "pkg update -f" no problem

Outside jail (14.3 host): sudo pkg --jail 135 update -f .....Fetching data.pkg, Processing entries: 100%, Child process pid=53344 terminated abnormally: Segmentation fault

odd

ohh

hmm

I have a 14.3 jail too, checking pkg on host --jail 143 update -f

pkg --version?

no crash. ok will wait for potential pkg upgrades in the future. 2.2.2

hmm, ok. i'm running the same and can't reproduce

what version of pkg is in the jail?

2.2.2 apparently it's 2.3.1 on 14.3

aic: might be some kind of 'old' package installed it cant quite solve for. do a spotcheck for old versions of python, etc

is it?? thanks divlamir I don't quite understand how that's possible because pkg.conf doesn't have versions it has $ABI

no, `the pkg --version`

you said 2.2.2, I thought you meant that

there's some problems I can see with how pkg does -j, but none that you'd normally run into with a normal `update`

e.g., plugins would seem like they'd cause problems, but you're probably not running ny

aic: pastebin.com pkg info

exactly yes, I am apparently stuck at "2.2.2" if 2.3.1 exists I just didn't understand that's possible when pkg configuration doesn't contain a version but references ${ABI} variable

pkg -j probably needs to actually attach to the jail and re-exec a version of pkg inside the jail

could be that there's some differences in the pkg databases between the versions...

pkg maintains backwards compatibility for things like that, especially with versions this close together

if I forgot to update a string in pkg.conf "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD::13/quarterly" then I would know I made a mistake

kevans: that seems a sensible approach, delegate to jail's pkg

except in some very stripped down jail without pkg lol

pkg --debug update says: Request to fetch pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/quarterly/meta.conf

so I am definitely getting the 14 package list back

but because it claims "2.2.2" is the "latest" version still. then my metadata is probably corrupt in some way, right?

if we could get a backtrace that'd be really helpful

I'll get to the bottom of it, this is really newbie stuff and if you're not even just freebsd users but developers then I am even more embarrased

to waste your time

(it's not a waste of time to help investigate)

aic: 2.2.2 might latest for the quarterly branch. also: pkg info to pastebin.com

or |nc paste.fbsd.dev 9999

:-)

uh, pkg is not a port how does it update itself actually?

pkg is a port

oh

there's pkg(7) in base and pkg(8) in ports

pkg(7) fetches pkg(8) if it's not installed, then execs it

why then: pkg which /usr/sbin/pkg --> /usr/sbin/pkg was not found in the database

because that's pkg(7)

/usr/local/sbin/pkg is pkg(8)

the shim in base only knows how to fetch the real pkg and verify signatures

divlamir: pkg(7) isnt a port is the tl;dr here. only pkg(8) is

oh, ok, right. got a bit confused here

it's ok, someone put some pkg in your pkg for pkg purposes

pkg.

i wrote a function in the pkg shim in base, pkg_is_pkg_pkg, that I was quite proud of

love it

owo

woo?

kevans: are you also the one who named "make package-pkg"?

nope

if it were me, that would've been `pkg-pkg`

name humor

looks like gjb is package-pkg

pkg-pkger

packeption!

how many packages can pkg pack if pkg can package packages

is it pkg or pkg pkg, or bird or plane

help, I'm being packaged

you sickos, this convo could make a doc PR for pkg_is_pkg_pkg XD

phlux: does it work if you make an entry in /etc/hosts pointing directly to your internal jail ip

tcpdump the connection attempt, see what happens

phlux: vnet jail(s) involved?

i was wondering if the phlux thing was a DNS issue. I had that issue with getting from one jail to another jail's gitea instance. I had to git clone ssh://internal_loopback_IP/project.git, or whatever. I couldn't use the normal hostname resolution. Overriding it in /etc/hosts didn't work

hi everyone, this is my first time using freebsd, and i am trying to install vscode, what i did: move to /usr/ports/editors/vscode .. and type "make install clean", but for now, the system are compilling and download a lot of another things, it's normal ?

s1lversurfer: yes, those are vscode's dependencies

wow, thank u, it's taking a lot of time hehe

You can use pkg instead of ports to download and install pre-built packages instead of building them.

yeah, but vscode wans't available on pkg search

but for while, i am enjoying the OS, i'am a linux user since 2004, but BSD it's very f good \m/

pkg search vscode --> vscode-1.104.1

also `make install-missing-packages` could save a lot of time

divlamir: s1lversurfer is probably using quarterly, vscode is missing freshports.org/editors/vscode

yeap, only on latest 14/15/16 according to freshports

oh sorry, need to thibk about getting glasses maybe

wow i came back, lost connection.. but i didn't found the vscode packet on pkg... someone talks about quarter

i thought we went over this, the electron package is build is broken on 14, which breaks vscode

it should exect for 15

rtprio: understoood

ty guys for help, i'll wait the system build vscode, and i have to install touchpad driver too, is not working

you are gonna wait looong time, switch to "latest" pkg branch methinks

oh, it finally built

the last dude who asked, it was broken at the time

the community that helps with code of freebsd have few people ?

and if it's really first time using freebsd, starting with a mix of ports and packages will end up with some curious errors some day

i don't program in C, but i would love to help the project

divlamir: i've downloaded the larger iso

it doesn't matter how you installed, pkg defaults to the "quarterly" branch

s1lversurfer: ports always needs more people and you don't need to know C, but it's pretty tedious work

so i did halfassed boot and now my armv7 system is in translation fault panic loop eh

s1lversurfer: also docs is very short handed right now

eh

wow, serius ? i program in Rust, Perl and Python.. i think that i need some extra work hehe i have no project in mind

if i can help with that..

also, something useful anyone can help with right now is test the 15.0 prereleases and report issues

to report issues i use the mailling list ?

there's bugs.freebsd.org

mailing list or bugzilla

nice!

unfortunately going back to the previous comment, there are no docs for the major new feature in 15.0 yet :-d

that is?

divlamir: pkgbase

lol, my nightmare

maybe it's my nightmare, _because_ of the lack of docs exactly

i think the code is mostly done now so i am probably going to be writing that this weekend

thanks, i was thinking to stick to freebsd-update until the whole pkgbase thing makes it way through my skull

but it's the end of the road for freebsd-update as of 16, right?

yes, it'll only be supported for 15

you can keep using installworld though

yes, that will never die :)

we will probably switch it to use the pkgbase scaffolding at some point but that won't affect the user-facing behaviour

though, I can't see how a regular user could help with that sort of documentation. Without being familiar with the internals I mean

FreeBSD 15 is still progressing in ALPHA stages

divlamir: documentation like that practically requires a lot of input and/or editing from regular users

because documentation written by people familiar with the topic very often misses points they consider obvious

It also needs, ideally, input from people familiar with doc-writing.

but in an ideal situation we wouldn't be able to release a beta without any docs

AI will help

hey guys, im here again with a problem durnig compilation of vscode hehe, the vscode ports look for a perl5.40.2 but the freebsd 14 contains in his port folder a perl5.40.3

and now, im trying a something very newbie hehe, i just exec a mv /usr/local/bin/perl5.40.3 to perl5.40.2 lol.... and it works

Number of packages to be installed: 6

Number of packages to be upgraded: 432

The operation will free 4 MiB.

these new anti-packages with a negative size are great

wow

if we could add one that's -800MB or so, you could install freebsd without using any disk space at all

800mb from 432 packages to be upgraded ?

ivy: heh

anyone using 15 alphas?

FreeBSD freebsd15.le-fay.org 15.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-n280536-15d367160d00 GENERIC amd64

noice

anyone know what that means? "===> Compilation failed unexpectedly. Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes and rebuild before reporting the failure to the maintainer. *** Error code 1

did you install from alpha4 media, or upgrade from earlier alphas?

s1lversurfer: not sure. what are you building

i am building the "electron34", to compile vscode

but im trying again, after a "make clean"

jaredj: this is my stable/15 dev vm, it started on 15.0-CURRENT and just updated from source since then

mm ic.

do it like that s1lversurfer it is probably equivalent of make -j1

but, i do install 15.0-ALPHA from media several times a day, if you have any questions

i installed alpha3 from media with pkgbase and now i'm trying to upgrade to alpha4

then if it fails to compile again, it will give you a cleaner explanation of why it failed

ivy: hmmmm ty

first i have to find the alpha handbook

i found it and lost it again

aic: not exactly the same as -j1, because -j1 disabled make's compatibility mode even though 1 job is the default, MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE doesn't pass -j at all. this matters for some ports like vim that depend on compatibility mode

jaredj: "pkg update; pkg upgrade" should work. there isn't much/any actual documentation on this aside from freebsd-base(7)

then it sounds like your compilation log s1lversurfer should already have a pretty clear error message where it failed and why

aic: after make clean and make install clean it's working per now.. i will try again

ok so now it compiled and no error? never mind then

you getting close to that vscode working? how many more dependencies to compile? :)

ivy: it doesn't *complain*, but it also doesn't move me to alpha4. also i was interested to find that i couldn't install a new base package because pkg couldn't chflags

vscode need a lot of dependencies hehehe but i was getting an error with Perl5 that i solve with a newbie trick, and now was stoping on electron34 compiling proccess

jaredj: how did you determine it didn't upgrade to alpha4?

let me test on a system that uses pkg.f.o

it didn't install anything new and my uname still says ALPHA3

ultimately remember that you are on the quarterly updates branch so if you can't compile all dependencies you can always switch to the latest updates, then install vscode from pkg

IGNORE ME

s1lversurfer: here is an explanation between "quarterly updates" and "latest updates": siberoloji.com/how-to-enable-the-la…-branch-on-freebsd-operating-system

i ran it in the wrong place. i'm trying to build a router in a jail, so handing my network interface into the jail, and i must have run pkg inside the jail

jaredj: i shall ignore you if you insist, but fwiw, i just tested on a system running 15.0-PRERELEASE and pkg upgrade gives me 15.0-ALPHA4

ah, that would explain it

"[228/367] Fetching FreeBSD-clang-dbg..." etc etc

aic: oh tyyy

oo how exciting this is my first pkg-base upgrade

it's only fetching hundreds of things instead of tens of thousands :D

note that you're not actually getting ALPHA4, you're getting 15.0-STABLE, which is a little newer than the ALPHA4 media

but uname will say ALPHA4 since that's what it does during the release cycle

oh. ??

the alpha releases are not really "releases", they're just snapshots of stable/15 at a particular time

the first thing i looked for was the repo config, and the only versiony thing i saw in there was ${ABI} (literally)

mmkay, and so the pkg-base repos are getting rebuilt against stable all the time?

currently, yes... for reasons... this will change in BETA1 but the new infrastructure isn't ready yet, which is why we're getting ALPHA5 instead of BETA1

once BETA1 is out you won't get any updates until BETA2 is out, then pkg upgrade will give you BETA2

makes sense

that's no problem certainly, i expect alphas to be gooshier, i just wanted to understand. oh heck i didn't make a boot environment

am i asking faq's here? i don't want to waste anyone's time

no, there are probably like 5 people in the entire world who either know or care about this right now. see above re: lack of documentation...

aw. WELL I CARE o/ and i'm glad you do too

woohoo! my crackpot system configuration manager didn't completely crash!

still a bit of a conundrum though. i have one rule that says "install doas," and more rules that say "hand the network interface into the jail thus becoming entirely dependent on it for networking," and that's before the said jail exists to be depended upon

gotta bring occambsd back into the picture. that'll fix it

unfortunately i got the same error: ===> Compilation failed unexpectedly. Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes and rebuild before reporting the failure to the maintainer. *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/electron34 *** Error code 1

well, either the port is broken or electron is

yeah.. i tryed to set the MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes.. a last try, if didn't work i will use Sublime Text, it's ok

you're not building with `make -j 8` or anything?

i will not die just for vscode, i a programmer since 2004, and his even exists hehehe

if you're really desparate for vscode you could try running it under linux emulation

rtprio: no no

hehe it's fine, i was a sublime text user, and use vscode only for the last year

i think we also have ports for some of the JetBrains IDEs, if that's of any interest

last time i tried CLion it didn't actually work though

for me it's fine, i even work wih Frameworks, except Flask in Python, i am cave man programming hehehe Sublime Text will help a lots :)

s1lversurfer: just wondering do you have the last several lines of output handy

where there's the compiler error

rtprio: the compiler is running again, if got error i will send it here alright ? :) ty

emacs rep-a-zent!

kevans: for large C++ codebases, i miss live clang-tidy in vim and have never found a version of this that seems usable

wooy, my head is swimmy. foods time

i always heard emacs was the only thing anybody ever needed

(clang-tidy include the static analyzer, so it's quite helpful to get those while writing code)

'miss' as in you can't do it anymore, or that you prefer other !vim solutions because they have other benefits that outweigh the lack?

i can't do it anymore, since i haven't found any implementation i like for vim. although if you have suggestions, i'm interested, especially if they work on src

oh, ok, I misread that the other way around: you had a solution in vim at one point

no suggestions here, i don't do anything fancy

my .vimrc uses autocmd to configure different style for different code-bases, and that's about as fancy as i get

yeah, i just have the style(9) stuff and a few sets for vim

i've recently started executing commands from within vim sometimes, to save myself from another tmux pane

i tried to start using :make at one point and didn't like it, but i don't remember why. maybe i should try again

i mostly just use vim as vi(1) with better indenting though, i ignore most of the other fancy features

yeah, see, we're pretty much on the same page here

I ended up working around my networking issue from Jail -> Jail by just spinning up haproxy inside the jail that needed to reach out and adding a /etc/hosts entry...was the only way I could figure out how to properly forward gitea to keycloak

kevans: fwiw, i found tmux a lot more usable once i found ctrl-left/right to switch tmux windows and cmd-left/right to switch terminal tabs

s/found/bound

i guess the advantage of :make is it can transport you to the next error

i don't actually mind it all that much, just wanted a little more width; i normally operate with a pretty trivial split window, top pane is vim and bottom pane is `make check` or `kyua test` or whatever output, so the third pane for `make all install` naturally limits one of them

well, sometimes both panes are vim

oh that's fancy

i just use three windows, 1 is a root shell for pkg upgrade, 2 is vim, 3 is build.sh

s1lversurfer: paste the actual clang or gcc errors on www.paste.rs nobody can tell what the problem is from only: "Compilation failed unexpectedly"

ivy: i use one window, a tmux session with irssi and 13 other windows